Debate: Vice President Hillary ?

Originally posted by wvrevy
Well, because he has something else Kerry is a little short on...personality ;)

Seriously, I don't know that Edwards delivers the south regardless, but I think his appeal schews both younger and more feminine than Kerry's does...He adds quite a bit of appeal to what is (again, in my opinion) an otherwise rather lackluster campaign.

Also, he's not Dick Gephart, so he's got that goin' for him ::yes::

Well, I would agree with you there. The Breck Girl does have the "youth" appeal and would likely get many of the soccer mom's who don't vote on issues but rather looks and personality. But, Kerry does have a problem in the South, so he needs to consider how to win that. Very few Presidents have won without carrying the majority of the South.
 
Uhhh jynohn, just because I would like to see more women involvement in politics, it doesn't mean I would vote for someone just because she is a woman.
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
But I thought Kerry has gone on record as saying the Dems didn't need the South to win the election. Why would he pick Edwards if he felt that way?


Hmmm... And you would pick a VP based only on their geographical location? Good strategy! ;)

It's no secret that presidential hopefuls tend to focus their resources where they will have the most impact. Does that mean Kerry will not campaign in the South? Judging by the last couple of months I don't think so. Keep up with current events much?

And, I'd rather have to "write-off" the South rather than CA and NY. :teeth:
 
Originally posted by Miss Jasmine
Uhhh jynohn, just because I would like to see more women involvement in politics, it doesn't mean I would vote for someone just because she is a woman.


I agree with Miss Jasmine.

I wouldn't vote for Senator Clinton only because she's a woman. But it would be an added benefit!
 

Since my name is Hillary, i'd have to vote for her if for only that alone...
 
I'd agree that I doubt Edwards would help Kerry in the south all that much. But that's more a matter of the south tending to be more conservative. George W. Bush is not going to carry the District of Columbia even if Marion Barry is his running mate ;)

But I do think Edwards has other traits that might be beneficial to the ticket. Clearly his appeal was not limited to North Carolina in the primaries.
 
Originally posted by Miss Jasmine
:faint: Did you just say what I think you said??!!??!! :p


I know, it's totally unlike me! :crazy:

Next I'll be asking you out on a date. :teeth: ;)
 
I think it would be wonderful to have the right woman in office. I don't think Hillary Clinton is the right woman.
 
Originally posted by Miss Jasmine
Uhhh jynohn, just because I would like to see more women involvement in politics, it doesn't mean I would vote for someone just because she is a woman.

Missjasmine, my post was not directed to you at all. I am referring to casual conversations I have been hearing in the office, at the store, etc. I'm sorry if I was unclear. What I am referring to is those "soccer moms" (no offense to soccer moms intended, I'm one myself!) who do not follow politics, have no real ideas about the issues, etc. who will automatically rush to support Hillary Clinton simply because she's a woman. As much as I hate to say it, there ARE women out there like that. I've heard them with my own ears.

I agree with you, and would love to see more women involved in politics. I just don't want to see them there for the wrong reasons.
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
Exactly! We all remember what Hillary said a few days ago:

"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you," "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
Couple this with Kerry's favorite quote -- "Let America be America." Funny thing is few people recognize where this quote is from.

It comes from an American poet, Langston Hughes, in his poem "Let America Be America Again", written in 1938. The phrase is catchy and resonates with the same emotions evoked by Reagan's 1984 campaign, "It's Morning in America." But a look at some of Mr. Hughes work reveals what he truly has in mind when he wants America to be America again. This is an excerpt of his poem, "Goodbye Christ" (1932):

Listen, Christ,
You did alright in your day, I reckon —
But that day's gone now.
They ghosted you up a swell story, too,
Called it Bible —
But it's dead now.

Goodbye,
Christ Jesus Lord God Jehovah,
Beat it on away from here now.
Make way for a new guy with no religion at all —
A real guy named
Marx Communist Lenin Peasant Stalin Worker ME.

So, Mr. Hughes vision is a land of Marx, communism, Lenin, Stalin. :earseek: This is what he means by "Let America be America" again.

And Sen. Kerry has decided to adopt this as his campaign slogan. I do hope his campaign team does a little more research before committing more to this slogan. Or maybe they already have and this is the vision they have for America.

Marx

Lenin

Stalin

Looks to me like 3 very good reasons to vote for anyone else OTHER THAN Sen. Kerry.
 
Originally posted by Lanshark
I think it would be wonderful to have the right woman in office. I don't think Hillary Clinton is the right woman.

I agree with you there 100% Shouldn't Kerry be announcing his running mate here shortly though?
 
I believe I read an announcement was expected next Tuesday.
 
Originally posted by ThreeCircles
Next I'll be asking you out on a date. :teeth: ;)

Okay this just made my afternoon, I can't stop laughing. :sunny:
 
Langston Hughes was perhaps THE most influential black poet of the 20th century, and slandering him amounts to calling Martin Luther King a petty rabblerouser :rolleyes:
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Let America Be America Again
Langston Hughes


Let America be America again.
Let it be the dream it used to be.
Let it be the pioneer on the plain
Seeking a home where he himself is free.

(America never was America to me.)

Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed--
Let it be that great strong land of love
Where never kings connive nor tyrants scheme
That any man be crushed by one above.

(It never was America to me.)

O, let my land be a land where Liberty
Is crowned with no false patriotic wreath,
But opportunity is real, and life is free,
Equality is in the air we breathe.

(There's never been equality for me,
Nor freedom in this "homeland of the free.")

Say, who are you that mumbles in the dark?
And who are you that draws your veil across the stars?

I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart,
I am the Negro bearing slavery's scars.
I am the red man driven from the land,
I am the immigrant clutching the hope I seek--
And finding only the same old stupid plan
Of dog eat dog, of mighty crush the weak.

I am the young man, full of strength and hope,
Tangled in that ancient endless chain
Of profit, power, gain, of grab the land!
Of grab the gold! Of grab the ways of satisfying need!
Of work the men! Of take the pay!
Of owning everything for one's own greed!

I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil.
I am the worker sold to the machine.
I am the Negro, servant to you all.
I am the people, humble, hungry, mean--
Hungry yet today despite the dream.
Beaten yet today--O, Pioneers!
I am the man who never got ahead,
The poorest worker bartered through the years.

Yet I'm the one who dreamt our basic dream
In the Old World while still a serf of kings,
Who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave, so true,
That even yet its mighty daring sings
In every brick and stone, in every furrow turned
That's made America the land it has become.
O, I'm the man who sailed those early seas
In search of what I meant to be my home--
For I'm the one who left dark Ireland's shore,
And Poland's plain, and England's grassy lea,
And torn from Black Africa's strand I came
To build a "homeland of the free."

The free?

Who said the free? Not me?
Surely not me? The millions on relief today?
The millions shot down when we strike?
The millions who have nothing for our pay?
For all the dreams we've dreamed
And all the songs we've sung
And all the hopes we've held
And all the flags we've hung,
The millions who have nothing for our pay--
Except the dream that's almost dead today.

O, let America be America again--
The land that never has been yet--
And yet must be--the land where every man is free.
The land that's mine--the poor man's, Indian's, Negro's, ME--
Who made America,
Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain,
Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain,
Must bring back our mighty dream again.

Sure, call me any ugly name you choose--
The steel of freedom does not stain.
From those who live like leeches on the people's lives,
We must take back our land again,
America!

O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath--
America will be!

Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain--
All, all the stretch of these great green states--
And make America again!
 
Originally posted by Eeyore1954
So, Mr. Hughes vision is a land of Marx, communism, Lenin, Stalin. :earseek: This is what he means by "Let America be America" again.

You're kidding, right? Did you gather this garbage from one of the right-wing website you frequent? Do you know anything about Langston Hughes, his writings, and the period he wrote in?

Hughes wrote during the Harlem Renaissance. A period in which African-American writers lashed out through social and political activism against the inequalities that riddled American life. Jim Crow laws, racism, and discrimination were all too common during that period and this can be seen in African-American literature of the time.

Why don't you do a little more research into Langston Hughes and African-American literature of the Harlem Renaissance before you mis-speak in attempts to use extremist, right-wing rhetoric in an effort to further your cause, namely your support for w.

Here's a good place to start. Perhaps you should actually read "Let America be America Again."
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Langston Hughes was perhaps THE most influential black poet of the 20th century, and slandering him amounts to calling Martin Luther King a petty rabblerouser :rolleyes:
:laughing: Wowzers, I practically had your response written down to the letter, except I missed the italics, boldface and capitalization of the word "THE". :laughing:

Slandering? :rotfl: In case you weren't aware, truth is NOT slander. I quoted from Mr. Hughes own work, "Goodbye Christ". Those are his words, not mine, espousing that Jesus step aside for a "new guy" and a "real guy" who Mr. Hughes identifies as "Marx Communist Lenin Peasant Stalin Worker ME."

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what he is talking about there. It just begs the question as to why the Kerry campaign would align itself with someone who obviously wanted to see the establishment of a Marx/Communist/Lenin/Stalin type government in America. It wouldn't be that the Kerry campaign and Mr. Hughes share this same vision?
 
WOW...Kerry takes a line from an incredibly moving poem written by someone who 6 years earlier had written a different poem " goodbye Christ" and from this we are to leap to the notion that Kerry's vision for America is associated with Marx Lenin and Stalin? Please !
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
WOW...Kerry takes a line from an incredibly moving poem written by someone who 6 years earlier had written a different poem " goodbye Christ" and from this we are to leap to the notion that Kerry's vision for America is associated with Marx Lenin and Stalin? Please !
Welcome to the world of the extreme right ::yes::

Actually, I'm glad he posted that original drivel, as it made me go and look up the actual poem Kerry's quote comes from, which I hadn't read since high school....Still incredibly moving....
 
IMO, Hillary as VP choice would ensure a Bush victory. I'm all for it! She's a polarizing figure.
 














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