Death at Disneyland

[Disneyluvr2]

I was at the park when this happened but no one seemed to have any information other than a guy had jumped from the 14th floor of the Disneyland Hotel. I'm just glad I was at the park and not the hotel when it happened!

 

[dumbodame]

devilduckie...I do not come from a "place of ignorance" as you accuse me of. If you were to read my comments regarding my sister in law, I CLEARLY spoke of ONE person and ONE circumstance.

I am well aware that there are psych drugs that have horrifying side effects. I am well aware that for many, they do not give the results hoped for.

I was NOT speaking for the masses...I spoke of ONE woman for whom the meds worked, and for whom the meds caused no ill side effects.

We had numerous conversations regarding her disorder. By her own admission, she felt "like a million bucks" when taking her meds, but it was her desire to manage her disorder without having to take medication. She mistakenly believed that the meds would cure her, and she would quit taking them every so often to "test" that theory...each time with devestating consequences. Two previous suicide attempts, and threats to kill her family members were the most common.

I also have a 22 year old nephew with bi-polar disorder, so I do not come from a "place of ignorance."

To take my SPECIFIC circumstance, and turn it into a GENERALITY is both irresponsible and unfair.

With all due respect, I suggest that you make sure you fully understand a poster's comments before responding. If you do not fully comprehend what was stated, it might behoove you to request clarification or ask for more information.

By not doing so, and by making assumptions that I spoke of all those with mental disorders, it may also be said that in this case, that you "came from a place of ignorance."

 

[DevilDuckie]

We had numerous conversations regarding her disorder. By her own admission, she felt "like a million bucks" when taking her meds, but it was her desire to manage her disorder without having to take medication.

If she felt that good she'd not have stopped taking her meds. You don't know how she felt, just what she said. Calling her selfish for having a disease is hateful. It's ignorant and ugly and I pray you never have to learn the hard way how it feels to have people say your disability is "selfish."

 

[amyamya]

If she felt that good she'd not have stopped taking her meds.

Just jumping quickly to state that actually a great number of people who take meds for depression and other illnesses of the mind do stop taking their meds when they feel better. This is well documented and frustrating for professionals in this field...

 

[scooter15]

Do I think she was selfish? Absolutely. I may feel badly for her, but she was given the medication that helped her...yet she refused to stay on it. She made the decision to remove herself from the world...and made sure that my brother was the first to see the results. Worse part? Two little girls lost their mother at the ages of 4 and 6.

I agree with devilduckie that calling her selfish is selfish and ignorant on your part. Why? Because I know people with bipolar and have to live with that daily roller coaster on a daily basis. I can say with experience that it is one thing to have a family member who lives in another house who on occasion you visit and its another to have it under your own roof. I do know how your brother feels. She wasn't selfish because your SIL had no control over her disease. Medications do work on occasion but they do stop working and they have to start over again. When someone pushes them to take meds...guess what they won't believe you and its part of the defensive system. And another thing before you go off and call your SIL selfish, bipolar is genetic and it is inherited. You neices are very likely to suffer from the disorder as well or have severe depression. That's not because mom committed suicide its because its in their genes and you can't prevent it.

Yeah, I am harsh but you know what...I do know what its like. I do know how it is to take care of a very close family member with the disorder and it tears family apart. But I do know that the person with the disorder does have difficulty "controlling" it and even with the most supportive family who has a full understanding of such a disorder can't help all of the time.

 

[4 mickey]

Hi
So so sad ...
The only thing that did bothered me was '' what if he jumped and landed on top of a poor lady , child ......that had nothing to do with is situation ( wich by the way I understand completely that someone is not feeling well ( depressed or other illness ...) Thank god it didn't happen .....

 

[dumbodame]

Again, devilduckie...you mis-quote and you miscomprehend. I did not call her selfish for having a disease.

 

[lugnut33]

Maybe dentists feel guilty about charging so much money for their services?

Dentistry is the #1 paying profession in the US. Pays better than being a physician, especially since their liability insurance is almost nothing.

I've had dental work doen in Peru that is comparable to what they do here, and it cost 1/3 the price.

Enough ranting about dentists, I feel sorry for that guys family and friends. Condolences.

 

[amyamya]

Maybe dentists feel guilty about charging so much money for their services?

Dentistry is the #1 paying profession in the US. Pays better than being a physician, especially since their liability insurance is almost nothing.

Dentists have poor patient relationships. Who loves going to the dentist? When was the last time you gave your dentist a hug? This may be one of the reasons for the increased suicide rate.

 

[Ispark480v]

Now it's my second post....so I found this blog via a websearch about the incident, and having direct knowledge wanted to set some things straight. I did not identify him out of respect to his family. A member of my family had an appointment with him the day before and everything was normal.
About the selfishness, that is a matter of opinion and I tend to agree, but you MUST remember you can not reason with someone who is unreasonable. If he were in his right mind he never would have jumped.
I had nothing to gain by posting other than to try to keep the rumors to a minimum.
I too am sorry for the other people who may have been affected. We talked to his staff yesterday and today and they too are affected deeply.
Suicide is a quick fix to an unreasonable situation.....
Unfortunate for all.

 

[keishashadow]

What a shame and a sad story. With that being said does anyone think Disney will remove the balconys from the dl hotel?

I cannot understand the depth of despair/madness that would drive somebody to it-such a waste, do always feel twice as bad for the survivors/family

wouldn't be surprised if the balconys access is locked somehow.

in planning combo DL/Las Vegas trip; read more than once that their newer hotels don't even have windows that open due to so many suicides over the years; whether due to altered states, etc.

 

[DevilDuckie]

Hi
So so sad ...
The only thing that did bothered me was '' what if he jumped and landed on top of a poor lady , child ......that had nothing to do with is situation ( wich by the way I understand completely that someone is not feeling well ( depressed or other illness ...) Thank god it didn't happen .....

That would certainly be awful. I feel terrible for the small children who were frightened when my husband had a grand mal seizure in the movies a couple months ago. It was out of our control but I am sure there was an unfortunate negative impact on others around us.

 

[DevilDuckie]

Yeah, I am harsh but you know what...I do know what its like. I do know how it is to take care of a very close family member with the disorder and it tears family apart. But I do know that the person with the disorder does have difficulty "controlling" it and even with the most supportive family who has a full understanding of such a disorder can't help all of the time.

Scooter, you're a "gentleman and a scholar." Even if you're a girl.

I just discovered the "Ignore" feature. It's a beautiful thing. I'm going to be "selfish" and exercise it.

 

[DevilDuckie]

Just jumping quickly to state that actually a great number of people who take meds for depression and other illnesses of the mind do stop taking their meds when they feel better. This is well documented and frustrating for professionals in this field...

I wasn't especially clear, let me try again. My experience and that of other folks I know with similar issues is that the meds squelch the great big problems but leave little ones in their place. I stop having the rapid cycling, profound depression, dangerous mania and thus "feel better." After a few months of this I start to think I'm "all better" and therefore should stop taking the meds that cause weight gain, libido loss, fuzzy headedness, etc.

Thinking I'm "all better" is not a rational decision on my part. It's a part and parcel of the disease. Clear thinking tells me that the meds are WHY I'm feeling better, just like clear thinking tells me the voices are not real. Clear thinking on a regular basis would be a swell thing. Wish I had it. Unfortunately one aspect of my disorder is a feeling of invincibility which the meds don't override and my faulty thought processes kick in and start me thinking the meds are not really a "forever" thing. Today I know that. Tomorrow I might not.

Does that make more sense?

 

[dumbodame]

Your explanation is worded perfectly, devilduckie...absolutely perfect.

 

[dancindisneyLuver]

John was a dentist. I am local to santa cruz county and have met the family before.

 

[Rapunsel]

Originally Posted by lugnut33
Maybe dentists feel guilty about charging so much money for their services?

Dentistry is the #1 paying profession in the US. Pays better than being a physician, especially since their liability insurance is almost nothing.

Dentists have poor patient relationships. Who loves going to the dentist? When was the last time you gave your dentist a hug? This may be one of the reasons for the increased suicide rate.
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OK I so don't agree with this. I work in a dental office and please do not lump everyone together. I get hugs from my patients on a daily basis...


Also in the poster who said about going to other countries to get work done.. Please be careful. As we have to sometimes patch and repair that. it is not fun.

My Dentist knew this man and has outstretched his hand to the family.

 

[RaeRae's Mommy]

Originally Posted by lugnut33
Maybe dentists feel guilty about charging so much money for their services?

Dentistry is the #1 paying profession in the US. Pays better than being a physician, especially since their liability insurance is almost nothing.

Dentists have poor patient relationships. Who loves going to the dentist? When was the last time you gave your dentist a hug? This may be one of the reasons for the increased suicide rate.
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OK I so don't agree with this. I work in a dental office and please do not lump everyone together. I get hugs from my patients on a daily basis...


Also in the poster who said about going to other countries to get work done.. Please be careful. As we have to sometimes patch and repair that. it is not fun.

My Dentist knew this man and has outstretched his hand to the family.

Rapunsel is so right. My brother is a young dentist and he is a very loving man that cares about his patients, staff and family.
I agree that not all dentist are the same but that is in any profession. So no lumping please.

 

[audrabolster]

I think it is ludicris to say he killed himself because he was a dentist!

 

[RaeRae's Mommy]

I think it is ludicris to say he killed himself because he was a dentist!

Thank you!