DDE Automatic 18% tip!

[Madi100]

My sister and I disagree on this fact for the simple reason that she used to be a waitress. Tipping should be based on good service, not be expected. But, I still don't get tipping. I understand they are paid less. But, aren't they being paid to do a good job? DH works in a grocery store with a full service meat counter. When you leave the store your groceries are carried out for you. No tips are expected and aren't allowed, because that is their job.

For someone to tell me how much I need to tip someone is wrong. And for counter service??? This is just ridiculous. They don't offer any service.

 

[dopeyfanatic]

I'd swear I remember reading some where at some point that the servers are in their own union. If that's true, it's possible the union was threatening to strike if pay didn't get better, so maybe this is Disney's way of bettering their pay to avoid any problems with them? I can see them adding a tip to a large party, but a smaller one is silly to me. And even a larger one I don't think is right. Why should I have to pay a larger tip just because there's more of us eating there? Why can the two tables of 5 on the other side of the restaurant pay 10-15%, but because there's 10 of us here we have to pay 18%??

 

[Jrabbit910]

getting totally confused on this thread...

The automatic 18% is for the DDE(Disney Dining Experience) which is different from the DDP(Disney Dining Plan). The DDP is doing an auto 18% on groups of 6 or more.

First question... what is the difference between the DDE & DDP?
Second question...How does this effect purchasing the DDP or not? Even if you dont purchase the ddp are you saying that 18% is added onto everything you eat?

 

[safetymom]

It will be for any size party. You don't need to be using the DDE or the dining plan in order to be charged the mandatory 18% tip.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

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For someone to tell me how much I need to tip someone is wrong. And for counter service??? This is just ridiculous. They don't offer any service.

I don't THINK this particular money-grab has extended to CS yet. But we'll have to wait to be sure. If so, looks like we'll be packing baloney sandwiches.

 

[dopeyfanatic]

You know I was just thinking, I wonder if this pertains to buffet where you serves yourself! They bill those as TS on the DDP, but I would be pretty angry if they added a tip on when nothing is being done!

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

You know I was just thinking, I wonder if this pertains to buffet where you serves yourself! They bill those as TS on the DDP, but I would be pretty angry if they added a tip on when nothing is being done!

Going by what I read elsewhere (so take it with a huge block of salt), the 18% will apply to buffets.

 

[ntsammy5]

I've got to believe that there was a significant number of people leaving without leaving a gratuity. Some of our foreign brethren have different customs and might not have left anything and others of us are just cheap and may also have left nothing. Just read the comments on this thread and read between the lines. JMO.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I'd swear I remember reading some where at some point that the servers are in their own union. If that's true, it's possible the union was threatening to strike if pay didn't get better, so maybe this is Disney's way of bettering their pay to avoid any problems with them? I can see them adding a tip to a large party, but a smaller one is silly to me. And even a larger one I don't think is right. Why should I have to pay a larger tip just because there's more of us eating there? Why can the two tables of 5 on the other side of the restaurant pay 10-15%, but because there's 10 of us here we have to pay 18%??

The dining at disney(DDE, DDP. etc.) is being affected by the recent union negotiations. Many servers did not want the changes that were made....be careful who speaks for!

 

[disneyfan2kids]

That's just insane.

They start at 10% with me when i walk in the door. The server then works their way up, or down, depending on the level of service they give.

TIPS = to insure propper service.

If a server knows they will get 18% right of the bat, why should the go above and byond.

And people who give 20-25% because they use to be in food service and feal bad for the servers just make the problem worse.

It's your prerogative to "start at 10%"... although I don't agree with it. To me it equates to your boss telling you that you will get 50% of your salary unless you go "above and beyond". We all know that we each have good days and bad days. Hopefully on our "bad days" they don't adjust our salary.

And I have to ask.... what "problem" do we add to when we tip 20-25%??? Is it the "problem" of making others look cheap? If that's so... I think people do that to themselves don't you?

 

[dqpowell]

That's just insane.

They start at 10% with me when i walk in the door. The server then works their way up, or down, depending on the level of service they give.

Agreed. If Disney insists on specifying the tip I'm going to leave, I won't be eating at Disney restaurants anymore.

TIPS = to insure propper service.

This is an oft-repeated myth. "Tip" and "tips" are not acronyms.

If a server knows they will get 18% right of the bat, why should the go above and byond.

Agree. Service has already declined since the implementation of the DDP. This will make it even worse.

David

 

[kimluvswdw]

I do not like the idea of an automatic tip. I tip based on the service I am given and if the service is bad I do tip less. I do not want to have to pay 18% for bad service. Why would the waitstaff go out of their way to give good service if they already know they are getting the tip. Just my opinion.

 

[A_NY_Outlaw]

If this happens to be true, good luck getting 18% out of me if the service stinks (like it did in MM in April). Since tip was included with the DDP, I didn't have a choice. If it were OOP, he would have gotten about a 10% tip if that.

Good service deserves good tips and vise versa. It's not complicated math.

 

[SantaRay]

If there is an automatic tip added to my bill I will be talking with the manager. I will let him/her know what I think about the policy and the service, good or bad.

 

[Wanna go to Disney?]

I've got to believe that there was a significant number of people leaving without leaving a gratuity. Some of our foreign brethren have different customs and might not have left anything and others of us are just cheap and may also have left nothing. Just read the comments on this thread and read between the lines. JMO.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! If it was working the way the system was, one would assume that it wouldn't have changed. Having worked many years in the service industry I was amazed at the nicest people that I would have talked with in length about our resort town, where to go and what to do, and having bestowed upon me many compliments to my work, only to realize that I was left nothing to very little.

They will never see me again, and they don't believe in tipping or tipping the standard 15%.

Servers are not slaves. They are not there to entertain and tickle your fancies. If they do, of course there could be extra cause for an extra tip. Yes tipping used be a bit extra for service well done. Quite frankly it's not that way anymore. Because the tipping thing got out of hand at some point in time, and it was well known that servers, although working hard could make a good deal of money, employers saw fit to capitalize on this and get away legally with paying servers less than half of the minimum wage, and rely on patrons to subsidize the servers with tips.

We may not like it and we would wish that employers would pay the fair wage the servers deserve and not put the burden on us. I get that. But we could say what tips should really mean till the cows come home, yet it doesn't change reality. And that is employers get away with slave labor for less than $3.00 an hour and let me tell you they are tough to work for, for what they pay. It's not fair, it's not even right in my opinion, but it is what it is.

We generally tip around 20% for decent service. We have gotten ridiculous for good service and have gone as low as 10% for poor service. 18% doesn't really bother me, because they are just jipping themselves as far as I see it.

I guess I understand why they feel the need to implement this practice. I dare say, many people are just cheap and are upset that they can't continue to get away jipping their servers.

my 02 is all
Heidi

 

[rosiep]

Gratuity Definition:

Something given voluntarily or beyond obligation, usually in response to or in anticipation of service.
www.uth.tmc.edu/finance/ert/definitions.htm

By definition gratuity is not supposed to be mandatory! I, too, usually tip 20% when the service is good. Disney is doing their servers a disservice by apply an 18% fee...because I for one won't be adding to it!

 

[Wanna go to Disney?]

Gratuity Definition:

Something given voluntarily or beyond obligation, usually in response to or in anticipation of service.
www.uth.tmc.edu/finance/ert/definitions.htm

By definition gratuity is not supposed to be mandatory! I, too, usually tip 20% when the service is good. Disney is doing their servers a disservice by apply an 18% fee...because I for one won't be adding to it!

I agree the definition has become skewed these days. Almost like the word Free More than not, free means, "When you purchase this..." tainting the work free. It is funny that tipping for food service has been given such guidelines when baggage handlers, taxi drivers, and the like seem to just have to take what they get.

Disney has to look at this whole picture and realize that there are many like you and I that would ordinarily tip more than 18%, and that when this fee is dictated to us we end up paying less. They must have to figure that it works out best to loose a handful of good tippers, to gain a required amount from those who tipp far below the standards or don't tip at all, and sadly I belive they or not a minority.

I would have thought they would have made 15% the standard but they must have anticipated that most won't likely tip more than 15% so they made up for it by going to 18%. (Actually 20% has become the norm, at least around here) I don't know but if someone is going to tell me what to pay, and it's less than what I normally pay, I have no problem with that. I'll still give extra when I feel it's due, but I have no problem with tipping 18%.

Heidi

 

[sjreed]

Look on the bright side...ADR's will be easier to get!!! Or, even better, we won't have to decide 180 days out where we will be and where we want to eat...we'll be able to walk up and get seated!!

 

[rosiep]

I agree the definition has become skewed these days. Almost like the word Free More than not, free means, "When you purchase this..." tainting the work free. It is funny that tipping for food service has been given such guidelines when baggage handlers, taxi drivers, and the like seem to just have to take what they get.

Disney has to look at this whole picture and realize that there are many like you and I that would ordinarily tip more than 18%, and that when this fee is dictated to us we end up paying less. They must have to figure that it works out best to loose a handful of good tippers, to gain a required amount from those who tipp far below the standards or don't tip at all, and sadly I belive they or not a minority.

I would have thought they would have made 15% the standard but they must have anticipated that most won't likely tip more than 15% so they made up for it by going to 18%. (Actually 20% has become the norm, at least around here) I don't know but if someone is going to tell me what to pay, and it's less than what I normally pay, I have no problem with that. I'll still give extra when I feel it's due, but I have no problem with tipping 18%.

Heidi

Heidi..I've always wanted to know....Do the servers really get this added gratuity or do hotels and restaurants "skim" a percentage?

 

[OB1]

I'll still give extra when I feel it's due, but I have no problem with tipping 18%.

Heidi

You make a lot of sense with your statements. I totally agree. 18% is not a high tip. I have always received service worthy of at least 18% when dining at Disney. If it is not that level, then I will have a manager over to discuss the problem. Either the tip will be removed, or some compensation would be expected.

I also have no problem adding to a tip that is already included. Why not?? If the service is worthy, then compensate for the quality. Tell them you appreciate their attention & service. We had fanastic service by Hassan at Jiko's, and his tip was 25%.

Pat