DAS changes coming WDW May 20/ DL June 18, 2024

yes, needs do change. I believe I've provided my experiences over the last 38 years to show that. Mine is permanent. I don't mind Disney storing information on a medical diagnosis and outlined needs, no. In fact this would alleviate the need to do it every 60. Just store the proof or decision like honoring an IBCCES card like Universal and Six Flags. Then, you don't have to do any of the process at 30-120 days. You can do it yearly like the parks mentioned above. This cuts the process down from 4 times a year to 1. That's a 75% reduction in time, wages, and resources all for using a service that currently exists instead of inventing your own. It also get's rid of those who cheat and abuse of the system. I don't see a downside on that.
If Disney chooses to extend from 120 to longer, particularly in conjunction to narrowing the types of “qualifying” needs to things that tend to be more permanent in nature that’s fine. But to imagine that IBCCES will do anything at all to actually prevent fraud is unfortunately very much at odds with reality, as has been discussed here over and over and over again.
 
But needs are NOT equal. Some disabled people cannot comprehend waiting in a queue and others can. Those are the people Disney has decided DAS is an accommodation for.

The constitution of the united states and civil rights law does not give Disney the ability to decide what anyone's disability derived needs are more important that the next person.

Disney has decided that this particular accommodation is best suited for people who "cannot comprehend" waiting in a queue (in quotes because I believe that language has been removed).

Disney has OTHER accommodations for people whose needs can be met using a different method that is less disruptive to park operations (AQR, RTQ, etc).

I know that this is a sensitive topic for many people, but it only creates more fear if we imagine that everyone else will be left with nothing. Early reports have actually been quite favorable in terms of making the park more accessible guests with all kinds of needs, not just the disabled. AQR for bathroom needs in particular should help a lot of families.
 

If Disney chooses to extend from 120 to longer, particularly in conjunction to narrowing the types of “qualifying” needs to things that tend to be more permanent in nature that’s fine. But to imagine that IBCCES will do anything at all to actually prevent fraud is unfortunately very much at odds with reality, as has been discussed here over and over and over again.
IBCCES can only help. It shouldn't be discounted like it wouldn't fit. If it didn't, nobody would honor it or use it right?

Interestingly enough there are some changes coming to Genie+ / Lightning Lane

https://disneyparksblog.com/wdw/pla...-entry-at-walt-disney-world-starting-july-24/

My opinion is that they're making it easier to navigate now that there will be an influx of people who no longer qualify for DAS but can afford to pay for the ability. There's that increase in profits I mentioned
 
Not more important - accommodated differently. Disney believes that AQR will accommodate the needs of many.
I stand corrected, and rightfully so. You're correct, however I disagree with the process they use to derive the decision to accommodate
 
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IBCCES can only help. It shouldn't be discounted like it wouldn't fit. If it didn't, nobody would honor it or use it right?

Interestingly enough there are some changes coming to Genie+ / Lightning Lane

https://disneyparksblog.com/wdw/pla...-entry-at-walt-disney-world-starting-july-24/

My opinion is that they're making it easier to navigate now that there will be an influx of people who no longer qualify for DAS but can afford to pay for the ability. There's that increase in profits I mentioned
“IBCCES can only help” until someone says “but IBCCES said I was disabled and Disney still didn’t give me what I wanted.”

IBCCES does absolutely nothing to screen for ability to wait in line. The list of things that qualify is absurdly, ridiculously long. And it would take approximately 3.5 seconds for doctors to start popping up online to “diagnose disabilities for theme park accommodations.”

Why add another unnecessary, costly complication that does absolutely nothing to prevent fraud?
 
But needs are NOT equal. Some disabled people cannot comprehend waiting in a queue and others can. Those are the people Disney has decided DAS is an accommodation for.
I've seen this mentioned a few times here. Based solely on the people on the DIS who have been approved, it's clear this isn't the only people they're approving.
 
FYI it looks like genie + is changing 7/24 to lightning lane multi pass and single pass. Hotel guests look to be able to book 7 days ahead and other guests 3 days ahead. Looks like a paid version of the old fast pass plus. You seem to be able to book 3 rides ahead and up to 2 paid individual rides ahead for all days of your hotel stay. It is all for extra $. But as I was planning to pay for genie plus anyway this will help my anxiety to have some pre booked rides (if I can get to them anyway). The Disney website only says it is changing 7/24 and stitch are the link to more details. Scott Gustin posted the rest on Twitter and he is usually (always?) in the know
 
IBCCES can only help. It shouldn't be discounted like it wouldn't fit. If it didn't, nobody would honor it or use it right?

Interestingly enough there are some changes coming to Genie+ / Lightning Lane

https://disneyparksblog.com/wdw/pla...-entry-at-walt-disney-world-starting-july-24/

My opinion is that they're making it easier to navigate now that there will be an influx of people who no longer qualify for DAS but can afford to pay for the ability. There's that increase in profits I mentioned
What they haven’t addressed is the elephant in the room: The ability to use it to re-ride attractions, I mean due to my needs, there are certain attractions I can’t go on (same for DH). Even if they still wanted to make a limit, say there are 20 Lightning Lane eligible attractions in a park, then limit it to a max of 20 uses in the park for the day, not that you could probably get that many anyway, but you get the idea. Of course there would need to be something in place so that you can’t say take a slot from an unpopular attraction and use it on the most popular attraction in the park.
 
Sorry, perhaps I didn’t make my point clear, those who are blind cannot use the website, this 90 minute wait is not fair to them, honestly this system has been poorly implemented.
I agree with you that the 90 min wait is ridiculous. I wasn't only responding to your post, but the posts leading to it that seemed to take that entire line as DAS interviews when, given it is for all manner of accommodations at DLR, there's no way to know the entire wait is due to DAS.
 
I agree with you that the 90 min wait is ridiculous. I wasn't only responding to your post, but the posts leading to it that seemed to take that entire line as DAS interviews when, given it is for all manner of accommodations at DLR, there's no way to know the entire wait is due to DAS.
I think you are referring to my post. I didn’t mean to imply that all 90 minutes were DAS users. It was more of a philosophical question about how much guests “should” try to help themselves first vs. pushing everything off on Disney. I tell my kids to do for themselves what they can and I’ll help them with what they can’t. My son is pretty good about it. My daughter is still a (Disney) princess.

This extends beyond just that one 90 minute line and speaks in part to what Disney is trying to do in giving more and more people tools to start in the SB line first rather than immediately jumping to DAS.
 
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There are 5 pages of search results for IBCCES and 10 pages of search results for Universal in this thread alone if you want to continue to beat that oh-so-dead horse, but I thought that we had moved past that by now.
That's the beauty of free speech and an open forum! All that being said, if you are wronged in your life or discriminated against I will do my best to support you.
 
What they haven’t addressed is the elephant in the room: The ability to use it to re-ride attractions
No elephant to address. Disney apparently does not think re-rides (via DAS) are any kind of problem. If they had any such concern I'm sure it would have been addressed within the current changes. It seems obvious to me that Disney feels re-rides are not a significant issue, especially once they reduce the number of DAS-holders. I'm sure they have data to back that up as well.
 
No elephant to address. Disney apparently does not think re-rides (via DAS) are any kind of problem. If they had any such concern I'm sure it would have been addressed within the current changes. It seems obvious to me that Disney feels re-rides are not a significant issue, especially once they reduce the number of DAS-holders. I'm sure they have data to back that up as well.
I agree
 
No elephant to address. Disney apparently does not think re-rides (via DAS) are any kind of problem. If they had any such concern I'm sure it would have been addressed within the current changes. It seems obvious to me that Disney feels re-rides are not a significant issue, especially once they reduce the number of DAS-holders. I'm sure they have data to back that up as well.
I thought that there were legal reasons why re-rides were permitted under DAS (because SB guests can re-ride if they choose to).

Still not working…
 
FYI it looks like genie + is changing 7/24 to lightning lane multi pass and single pass. Hotel guests look to be able to book 7 days ahead and other guests 3 days ahead. Looks like a paid version of the old fast pass plus. You seem to be able to book 3 rides ahead and up to 2 paid individual rides ahead for all days of your hotel stay. It is all for extra $. But as I was planning to pay for genie plus anyway this will help my anxiety to have some pre booked rides (if I can get to them anyway). The Disney website only says it is changing 7/24 and stitch are the link to more details. Scott Gustin posted the rest on Twitter and he is usually (always?) in the know
Return of FP+ reincarnated. -- just a fee service now -- or what we would call Maxpass 2.0 from the DLR side of the house.
 
I think you are referring to my post. I didn’t mean to imply that all 90 minutes were DAS users. It was more of a philosophical question about how much guests “should” try to help themselves first vs. pushing everything off on Disney. I tell my kids to do for themselves what they can and I’ll help them with what they can’t. My son is pretty good about it. My daughter is still a (Disney) princess.

This extends beyond just that one 90 minute line and speaks in part to what Disney is trying to do in giving people more and more people tools to start in the SB line first rather than immediately jumping to DAS.
Honestly, as a parent of a child with significant needs I get tired of the narrative that we just need to parent better (not specific to anyone here, but in general).

As an example - I've been stopped in a restaurant by a random person and told to stop helping my daughter because she'd never learn. Well, no actually random stranger - she has a significant motor planning disability. The only way she'll learn to do it herself is literally by receiving help to learn the motor plan first. But thanks for the unsolicited advice.

As for the philosophical question you're referring to - asking for accommodations for vision, hearing, stroller as a wheelchair tags, and yes DAS too - making your need for accommodations known to the relevant entities IS helping yourself. So many disabled people struggle with asking for accommodations they need specifically because of concerns about how they'll be viewed by others for asking. Recognizing one needs accommodations and having the agency to go ask for them IS helping oneself.
 














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