Cutting in line..

[tlkgt76]

I want to add something to this thread that I personally found MUCH more rude than anybody cutting in line. I hope this isn't too far off the main topic and I apologize if it is.

In 2012 we took our daughter to the Very Merry Christmas Party. This was probably a once in a lifetime event for us.

After waiting on the side of the road for quite awhile to make sure our then nine year old had a good view of the parade, a woman in her 50's pushed not only in front of us, but also pushed another family's stroller out of the way! The stroller had what looked like a two year old in it.

We told her to get back, the family with the stroller told her to get back and multiple CM's told her to get back. She would move, then when she thought she was out of sight of any CM's, push forward again. Over and over.

We ended up banding together with the stroller family and forming a circle around the kids with our elbows out to protect them, because she almost knocked them over multiple times. Finally a CM told her and the rest of her family that she needed to back off and all of a sudden she didn't speak English (we heard her talking beforehand though).

That experience was FAR worse than any I've experienced in line. I would never want to get physical in a place full of children, but I tell you what...had she hurt my child it would have been hard not to knock her out.

 

[larryz]

I want to add something to this thread that I personally found MUCH more rude than anybody cutting in line. I hope this isn't too far off the main topic and I apologize if it is.

In 2012 we took our daughter to the Very Merry Christmas Party. This was probably a once in a lifetime event for us.

After waiting on the side of the road for quite awhile to make sure our then nine year old had a good view of the parade, a woman in her 50's pushed not only in front of us, but also pushed another family's stroller out of the way! The stroller had what looked like a two year old in it.

We told her to get back, the family with the stroller told her to get back and multiple CM's told her to get back. She would move, then when she thought she was out of sight of any CM's, push forward again. Over and over.

We ended up banding together with the stroller family and forming a circle around the kids with our elbows out to protect them, because she almost knocked them over multiple times. Finally a CM told her and the rest of her family that she needed to back off and all of a sudden she didn't speak English (we heard her talking beforehand though).

That experience was FAR worse than any I've experienced in line. I would never want to get physical in a place full of children, but I tell you what...had she hurt my child it would have been hard not to knock her out.

This experience is a very hot-button issue all by itself. A bit of searching will reveal lots of threads about the behavior of so-called adults along the parade routes.

 

[tlkgt76]

This experience is a very hot-button issue all by itself. A bit of searching will reveal lots of threads about the behavior of so-called adults along the parade routes.

Oh....that's SO sad!!!

That was my issue with it, the lady was shorter than me and had she asked nicely if she could stand in front of ME, I probably would have said "Yeah" and made a spot for her. My issue was that she was pushing ahead of the kids. I'm surprised she didn't knock the stroller over. That family had been there longer than us, so we stood behind them. I just assumed anybody coming in after would stand behind us as well.

I just don't understand people sometimes. The CM's had quite a crowd to deal with, even though we went the first two weeks of December so I'm sure our party wasn't as big as the actual Christmas week ones. I wish they would have threatened to kick her out though. They were doing their best at the time and I'm sure they are tired of that situation as well.

 

[Suellen]

I want to add something to this thread that I personally found MUCH more rude than anybody cutting in line. I hope this isn't too far off the main topic and I apologize if it is.

In 2012 we took our daughter to the Very Merry Christmas Party. This was probably a once in a lifetime event for us.

After waiting on the side of the road for quite awhile to make sure our then nine year old had a good view of the parade, a woman in her 50's pushed not only in front of us, but also pushed another family's stroller out of the way! The stroller had what looked like a two year old in it.

We told her to get back, the family with the stroller told her to get back and multiple CM's told her to get back. She would move, then when she thought she was out of sight of any CM's, push forward again. Over and over.

We ended up banding together with the stroller family and forming a circle around the kids with our elbows out to protect them, because she almost knocked them over multiple times. Finally a CM told her and the rest of her family that she needed to back off and all of a sudden she didn't speak English (we heard her talking beforehand though).

That experience was FAR worse than any I've experienced in line. I would never want to get physical in a place full of children, but I tell you what...had she hurt my child it would have been hard not to knock her out.

We don't typically "wait" for parades... but we were at MVMCP once and they basically laid the tape at our feet where we happened to be standing so DD and I sat to wait for it. Next thing I know a family comes up with someone in a wheelchair and put the lady so close to me her feet rest are digging into my back. I politely asked them to move and she moved a little... and was mad when I stood to watch the parade.... BUT we were going to sit except DD made room for the little girl that was with them and when the parade started SHE stood up and was blocking DD from watching it coming down the road. So we stood too. When Mickey and Minnie came around the corner DD excited pointed it out to the little girl who "shhhhhhh'd" my DD. She was so insulted that she kept saying for the rest of the night (and every time she retells it) that that little girl must have thought she was the QUEEN!

LOL. I hate waiting for parades and this just reminded me why!

 

[tlkgt76]

LOL. I hate waiting for parades and this just reminded me why!

Sorry for the reminder. hahahahaha


I know its early, but for all of those drinkers out there playing the game mentioned at the beginning of this thread....I guess some adults think they're ENTITLED to be up front, every time. They also seem to think they're ENTITLED to have the best view, ENTITLED to be the only family in the Disney park and ENTITLED to be treated like royalty.

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.

 

[smidgy]

Sorry for the reminder. hahahahaha


I know its early, but for all of those drinkers out there playing the game mentioned at the beginning of this thread....I guess some adults think they're ENTITLED to be up front, every time. They also seem to think they're ENTITLED to have the best view, ENTITLED to be the only family in the Disney park and ENTITLED to be treated like royalty.

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.

too early for me, tracy... I'll catch up later!

sue ellen, I'm trying to picture the space mt. line you speak of. I know people wait outside the FP entrance for their return time to come up. (I know people dislike it when they block the entrance, waiting)

IMO, if someone's FP time is up, they can go on in. they dn't need to wait behind people whose time is not up yet, they are too early. they aren't IN the line yet. I mean, if it's 1 PM, my FP says 12:55. and someone is standing there who can't go in until 1:10. no way should I have to wait behind them and let them in first , thereby effectively "changing" my FP return time to 1:11. or did I misunderstand?

 

[Suellen]

Hmmm - I see this line at SM all the time - huge line of people waiting to show valid FP.

It usuallystretches out under people mover.

 

[smidgy]

oh, well we haven't done space mt. in a while. so, if there is a line to simply SHOW valid fast passes, you really need to return 10-15 minutes ahead of time... in order to get in line to get in the shorter Fast pass line? this makes no sense to me.
let's say I picked my FP return time for a reason, ie it works for me because I have an ADR later. but NOW my FP return window is NOT actually an hour, but an hour MINUS the amount of time all the people in the "Show your fast pass" line have on theirfast passes..

I don't have the answer...( 6 different "show your FP" lines, based on 5 minute increments?) but if, as you say, that "extra' line reaches out to the wedway, you could waste half of your return window waiting in the line to get in the FP line. even if most of the people "ahead" of you have a later return time.
it just seems to me, if my fast pass return time is up, I shouldn't have to wait behind people who have 10 more minutes to wait.


I actually never heard of this issue. I guess this is one of theose "grey areas" where there are dif. opinions of whether it is actually "cutting" or not. (like I think using a "placeholder" is cutting, but leaving a line to use the bathroom and REjoining your party is not cutting. but others think both are cutting, and still others think neither is cutting!)

 

[smidgy]

Also the cutting in fP line for Space was crazy. I told the guy who cut behind me nicely where the end of the FP line was and he said "oh well this is MY FP time!". With eight people. WTH? I was torn when two more families cut in front of him - it wasn't right for all the people at the back of the line - but then he was an entitled jerk that deserved to wait lOnger.

falling furhter behind!

 

[mesaboy2]

oh, well we haven't done space mt. in a while. so, if there is a line to simply SHOW valid fast passes, you really need to return 10-15 minutes ahead of time... in order to get in line to get in the shorter Fast pass line? this makes no sense to me.
let's say I picked my FP return time for a reason, ie it works for me because I have an ADR later. but NOW my FP return window is NOT actually an hour, but an hour PLUS the amount of time all the people in the "Show your fast pass" line have on theirfast passes..

I don't have the answer...( 6 different "show your FP" lines, based on 5 minute increments?) but if, as you say, that "extra' line reaches out to the wedway, you could waste half of your return time waiting in the line to get in the FP line. even if most of the people "ahead" of you have a later return time.
it just seems to me, if my fast pass return time is up, I sholdn't have to wait behind people who have 10 more minutes to wait.

That kind of micro-control isn't feasible with the current system, nor the coming one. I feel safe in asserting that merely getting in the FP return line by the end of your window is enough, and I do not expect any CM to have a problem with this.

 

[smidgy]

That kind of micro-control isn't feasible with the current system, nor the coming one. I feel safe in asserting that merely getting in the FP return line by the end of your window is enough, and I do not expect any CM to have a problem with this.

here's what I don't get. WHICH FP return line? (see, I didn't know there were 2) the ACTUAL FP return line, or the line to get into the FP return line? I think what Sue Ellen meant was there is a line to get into the line. and people in that first line are there too early, but have gotten into it anyway. and if your return time is up, you still can't get in front of them, you have to wait until they get in before you,b ecause they were standing there before you.

I agree, it sounds like micro-control. I just never came across this before. I have come up to the entrance to a FP liline, and have seen people satnding there waiting, looking up at the clock. it's obvious there time isn't up yet. they aren't waiting to get in yet, they are waiting for their time to come up. and people always just walk past them (the people whose time IS up).
sheesh this is confusing

 

[smidgy]

That kind of micro-control isn't feasible with the current system, nor the coming one. I feel safe in asserting that merely getting in the FP return line by the end of your window is enough, and I do not expect any CM to have a problem with this.

true, but often you want to (or need to, with the new enforcement policies, depending on ADRs, or times of shows you want to see) use the FP earlier in the window, rather than later. and you make a point to get to the ride by the begining of the window. but someone who is there 15 minutes early is standing there, waiting for 15 minutes to pass, and since they got there before you, you have to waste 15 minutes of YOUR window, so they can go in first?

 

[mesaboy2]

here's what I don't get. WHICH FP return line? (see, I didn't know there were 2) the ACTUAL FP return line, or the line to get into the FP return line? I think what Sue Ellen meant was there is a line to get into the line. and people in that first line are there too early, but have gotten into it anyway. and if your return time is up, you still can't get in front of them, you have to wait until they get in before you,b ecause they were standing there before you.

I agree, it sounds like micro-control. I just never came across this before. I have come up to the entrance to a FP liline, and have seen people satnding there waiting, looking up at the clock. it's obvious there time isn't up yet. they aren't waiting to get in yet, they are waiting for their time to come up. and people always just walk past them (the people whose time IS up).
sheesh this is confusing

I mean the one to get to the FP queue entrance. In the case of Space, the first checkpoint outside the building. There is often a line here, and how organized and courteous everyone is is mainly luck in my experience.

 

[smidgy]

I mean the one to get to the FP queue entrance. In the case of Space, the first checkpoint outside the building. There is often a line here, and how organized and courteous everyone is is mainly luck in my experience.

ah! well, to me, it would be courteous to let someone whose "time is up" to go on in if I have , say 10 minutes to wait anyway.

("I keep talking about whose "time is up" sounds like we all have terminal illmesses or the sword of Damacles hanging over our heads!

 

[mesaboy2]

ah! well, to me, it would be courteous to let someone whose "time is up" to go on in if I have , say 10 minutes to wait anyway.

("I keep talking about whose "time is up" sounds like we all have terminal illmesses or the sword of Damacles hanging over our heads!

I agree. I just don't think any CM working this checkpoint would give someone trouble spending ten minutes traversing that line--which they can see--showing up at the checkpoint ten minutes late. Maybe that's what the mysterious 15-minute grace period on the FP is mostly for.

 

[maxiesmom]

Hmmm - I see this line at SM all the time - huge line of people waiting to show valid FP.

It usuallystretches out under people mover.

Didn't see that once in December. It must depend on time of day, and maybe day of the week. We walked right up to the CM checking the Fast Passes.

 

[smidgy]

ok, just to confuse things more, by "time is up", I didnt' mean ending, I meant beginning. as in (the start of our window has arrived) (sorry to be so pick-unney)

as is, my FP window is from 1 till 2. so "my time is up" at 1.(not over, as in "look, our time is up! let's go in now") we have a 2:15 adr,(nearby, say tony's or plaza) but figure this window would work fine if we get to space right at 1.

well, we are there at 1, but people "ahead" of us in the "line to get in the line" have a return time starting at 1:15. so effectively, my FP window is only 45 minutes. Ican't go in at 1., even if everyone ahead of me has a later window.

(I am probably way overthinking this. in my expereince, there isn't really a line, but a bunch of people hanging around looking up at the clock, and those whose time is up (has arrived) just walk past.)

 

[mesaboy2]

ok, just to confuse things more, by "time is up", I didnt' mean ending, I meant beginning. as in (the start of our window has arrived) (sorry to be so pick-unney)

as is, my FP window is from 1 till 2. so "my time is up" at 1.(not over, as in "look, our time is up! let's go in now") we have a 2:15 adr,(nearby, say tony's or plaza) but figure this window would work fine if we get to space right at 1.

well, we are there at 1, but people "ahead" of us in the "line to get in the line" have a return time starting at 1:15. so effectively, my FP window is only 45 minutes. Ican't go in at 1., even if everyone ahead of me has a later window.

(I am probably way overthinking this. in my expereince, there isn't really a line, but a bunch of people hanging around looking up at the clock, and those whose time is up (has arrived) just walk past.)

You are way overthinking this. Most times this is not a problem at all.

 

[smidgy]

Ok, I still want to know, in the case sue ellen described, did the guy cut in line? or simply enter the line becasue his window had arrived? (like anyone is going to agree on this anyway)
(tenacious, aren't I? lol)

 

[kris4360]

Ok, I still want to know, in the case sue ellen described, did the guy cut in line? or simply enter the line becasue his window had arrived? (like anyone is going to agree on this anyway)
(tenacious, aren't I? lol)

I agree! There is no way I'm going to stand in line after him just because he got there too early. I came at the right time and I'm going in. I saw that alot during Thanksgiving week at the little mermaid ride.