Cutting in line..

[tlkgt76]

thats exactly correct. There is NO reason for a long wait..unless one simply doesnt know what their doing.

This cracked me up!

Believe it or not, there are people out there that don't know this board, touring plans, books about WDW, etc exist. bahahahaaaa


There are quite a few travelers to Walt Disney World that just pay and go.

The first time I visited was in the 80's, then in 2007 we went again with our daughter and my parents. We looked online before we went, but still had no idea how complex planning could be. I saw earlier you stated if you knew you would only be there one day, you would plan everything even down to the bathroom breaks. People that will only be at Disney World one day in their lives have NO idea that they need to plan like this. They don't spend hours like we do thinking out every step because they don't realize they need to.

Also, I'd love to be able to only pee on command at certain times of the day, but unfortunately my bladder has other ideas.

 

[SpacePlace]

Long time ago, I was in line for Small World with family and 4 adult men acted like they were "catching up" with someone but then they just stopped in between our family, which made it really obvious that they weren't. None of us said anything to them and then they began realizing that we were all together and had them sandwiched in. It was so weird, my grandmother kept saying "these men, are they with us? who are these men? are they with us?" She was older and so confused. And then my aunt was saying "no mom, they just cut in line." And she kept repeating it louder and louder to grams to embarrass them. We all ended up going in the same boat. The whole time it was really awkward. But we tell this story a lot when the family gets together.

 

[Suellen]

For all those that say they have NEVER witnessed cutting - I just don't get it?

We were at MK for about three hours last night and I witnessed it so many times it isn't even funny.

The worst being the peephole to see the new mine train. DD (7) walked up and got behind the people waiting to look - they looked and left and a mom and little girl squeezed in front of DD. She looks at mejia "help! I was waiting!" I told her it was foe and just wait - when another family came up and squeezed her out again. I told her to never mind we would cone bal to see it later since "that family probably paid more to be here!". The dad shouted after us "yeah we did pay more!!!". Kids behaving badly and parents encouraging it.

Also the cutting in fP line for Space was crazy. I told the guy who cut behind me nicely where the end of the FP line was and he said "oh well this is MY FP time!". With eight people. WTH? I was torn when two more families cut in front of him - it wasn't right for all the people at the back of the line - but then he was an entitled jerk that deserved to wait lOnger.

 

[Bullseye]

Long time ago, I was in line for Small World with family and 4 adult men acted like they were "catching up" with someone but then they just stopped in between our family, which made it really obvious that they weren't. None of us said anything to them and then they began realizing that we were all together and had them sandwiched in. It was so weird, my grandmother kept saying "these men, are they with us? who are these men? are they with us?" She was older and so confused. And then my aunt was saying "no mom, they just cut in line." And she kept repeating it louder and louder to grams to embarrass them. We all ended up going in the same boat. The whole time it was really awkward. But we tell this story a lot when the family gets together.

Great story, so funny, I can just picture it.

 

[dadddio]

For all those that say they have NEVER witnessed cutting - I just don't get it?

We were at MK for about three hours last night and I witnessed it so many times it isn't even funny.

The worst being the peephole to see the new mine train. DD (7) walked up and got behind the people waiting to look - they looked and left and a mom and little girl squeezed in front of DD. She looks at mejia "help! I was waiting!" I told her it was foe and just wait - when another family came up and squeezed her out again. I told her to never mind we would cone bal to see it later since "that family probably paid more to be here!". The dad shouted after us "yeah we did pay more!!!". Kids behaving badly and parents encouraging it.

Also the cutting in fP line for Space was crazy. I told the guy who cut behind me nicely where the end of the FP line was and he said "oh well this is MY FP time!". With eight people. WTH? I was torn when two more families cut in front of him - it wasn't right for all the people at the back of the line - but then he was an entitled jerk that deserved to wait lOnger.

Based solely on our post, it seems that both examples were of people who didn't think that a line existed. Certainly, the people looking through the hole didn't not even recognize your authority to establish a line.

I suspect that the people at space thought that the people standing outside of the FP line were awaiting their FP return time. That certainly explains his reply to you.

 

[Suellen]

Excuses to condone bad behavior. Shoving another child is not okay and I certainly wouldn't stand there and smile at my child after she shoved someone out of the way to get there first.

He knew there was a line at SM - especially after he was told - he didn't care. It was his time and he wasn't waiting.

 

[Bullseye]

Based solely on our post, it seems that both examples were of people who didn't think that a line existed. Certainly, the people looking through the hole didn't not even recognize your authority to establish a line.

Kind of common sense that if you walk up to the peep hole and there's someone waiting behind the people looking through the peep hole, that's the line. Since there is no actual line and people are coming from all directions, you try to recognize who arrived first, which isn't that hard by their proximity to the peep hole. They got there before you, they're next.

 

[DeluxePrincess]

Excuses to condone bad behavior. Shoving another child is not okay and I certainly wouldn't stand there and smile at my child after she shoved someone out of the way to get there first.

He knew there was a line at SM - especially after he was told - he didn't care. It was his time and he wasn't waiting.

If someone put their hands on your DD and actually shoved her, then it's absolutely wrong. There generally isn't a "line" to look into the window at the mine carts. Most people stop for about 10 seconds and are on their way. If I saw that my DS was waiting and others were going in front of him, I'd make sure I was next at the window and call him over. People have their "blinders" on at WDW. They don't tend to pay attention to others around them.

I've never had to wait in a line at the entrance to use my FastPass if I was there during my time. A line does build up out there for those who come before their time.

Honestly, the only place on Disney properties that I noticed a lot of "cutting" was the TSM at Disneyland's California Adventure. There was a lot of "catching up" to their parties by teenagers. Of course, I don't wait in lines over 30 minutes so maybe this is why I don't see it so much.

 

[nooneshome]

On our 15+ trips to WDW I only remember once when I thought we being line-cut. It was at Soarin when a young couple just walked by us and it sure did feel like they were cutting and not catching up to somebody. We have also seen a few dads trying to catch up at Soarin after they got their FPs.

 

[dadddio]

Excuses to condone bad behavior. Shoving another child is not okay and I certainly wouldn't stand there and smile at my child after she shoved someone out of the way to get there first.

Your post made no mention of anyone being shoved.

He knew there was a line at SM - especially after he was told - he didn't care. It was his time and he wasn't waiting.

funny thing abut people being told things. Sometimes, they don't get it.

My wife tells me that I have some hearing loss. I don't know about that, but I do know that sometimes I don't clearly hear everything that is said to me. That is particularly true if I am not paying direct attention to the person speaking to me. It's worse when there is background noise or if they have an accent or aren't speaking clearly or aren't facing me directly. Probably too often, I find myself extrapolating the entirety of being said from the bits that I understood.

I'm not saying that the man was hard of hearing. I'm not even saying that I am. I'm simply noting that your message apparently wasn't received as you intended.

 

[dadddio]

Kind of common sense that if you walk up to the peep hole and there's someone waiting behind the people looking through the peep hole, that's the line. Since there is no actual line and people are coming from all directions, you try to recognize who arrived first, which isn't that hard by their proximity to the peep hole. They got there before you, they're next.

You know that your post said that if there is no actual line then you should identify the line, right?

That being said, I find that it's a mistake to ever expect other people to make the same decisions as you based solely on 'common sense'. People tend to read each situation somewhat differently than each other and make their own 'common sense' decisions based on their own read.

 

[larryz]

Based solely on our post, it seems that both examples were of people who didn't think that a line existed. Certainly, the people looking through the hole didn't not even recognize your authority to establish a line.

I suspect that the people at space thought that the people standing outside of the FP line were awaiting their FP return time. That certainly explains his reply to you.

I suspect, instead, that it's a culture clash in play: the culture of fairness and taking your turn versus the culture of selfishness and entitlementality.

 

[Bullseye]

You know that your post said that if there is no actual line then you should identify the line, right?

That being said, I find that it's a mistake to ever expect other people to make the same decisions as you based solely on 'common sense'. People tend to read each situation somewhat differently than each other and make their own 'common sense' decisions based on their own read.

You never expect different people to arrive at the same common sense decisions?? This isn't a difficult situation, the read is pretty easy here. It doesn't require a brain drain to realize, "I want to look through the hole, there are already people standing around the hole waiting to look through, I need to wait for them to go first." There is no formal line, but there is a pecking order which is usually discernible.

 

[cheshirecatattack]

The only time it's ever affected me was at MNSSHP this past October.i was in line to meet Dr. Facilier, my most anticipated meet and greet after the mix/mingle. The cast member said myself and the group behind me would be the last ones for this round. After that a lady with her son (4-5 yrs old) came up and tried to get infront of me saying 'you don't mind do you, since he's a child?' (im 21) I said sorry but im not leaving. But then a cast member overheard and told her she would have to wait!

But other then that I have never really had an issue with cutting.

 

[Suellen]

Come one now. The man clearly understood what I was dating to him. His body language said it all - he turned and looked at the end of the line and just didn't want to wait.

It was another small child that wedge her body between my DD and the hole as she leaned forward to look - I was a bit surprised the mom Said nothing but my DD stepped back and the mom leaned in in front of her too. Then as she left DD leaned in again and a little boy wedged in front of her. To which we just gave up - because frankly we do live here and can go another day - we are actually checking in to Beach Club tomorrow - but that still doesn't make it right.

As a teenager my dad gave us an ice cream shop in Kennebunkport to run to pay for our college - anyway there was no structured line and the place would fill up quickly with no way of us knowing who came in next. So we'd say "who is next?!" (shout it really) and inevitably someone not even in the door yet or barely stepped in would shout "me!" and start shouting their order. You can't tell me that they don't know they are last in this scenario!

 

[NHKristy76]

For all those that say they have NEVER witnessed cutting - I just don't get it?

We were at MK for about three hours last night and I witnessed it so many times it isn't even funny.

The worst being the peephole to see the new mine train. DD (7) walked up and got behind the people waiting to look - they looked and left and a mom and little girl squeezed in front of DD. She looks at mejia "help! I was waiting!" I told her it was foe and just wait - when another family came up and squeezed her out again. I told her to never mind we would cone bal to see it later since "that family probably paid more to be here!". The dad shouted after us "yeah we did pay more!!!". Kids behaving badly and parents encouraging it.

Also the cutting in fP line for Space was crazy. I told the guy who cut behind me nicely where the end of the FP line was and he said "oh well this is MY FP time!". With eight people. WTH? I was torn when two more families cut in front of him - it wasn't right for all the people at the back of the line - but then he was an entitled jerk that deserved to wait lOnger.

IMHO this would have been the perfect opportunity to teach your daughter to be assertive and stand up for herself.

It's never worked, for me, to be snarky and expect someone to change their behavior...

 

[dadddio]

You never expect different people to arrive at the same common sense decisions?? This isn't a difficult situation, the read is pretty easy here. It doesn't require a brain drain to realize, "I want to look through the hole, there are already people standing around the hole waiting to look through, I need to wait for them to go first." There is no formal line, but there is a pecking order which is usually discernible.

The very fact that other people didn't come to the same conclusion means that people don't always come to the same common sense decisions.

 

[Granny square]

IMHO this would have been the perfect opportunity to teach your daughter to be assertive and stand up for herself.

It's never worked, for me, to be snarky and expect someone to change their behavior...

Expecting a 7 year old in a pushy crowd to "stand up for herself" is asking a lot. Disney shouldn't have to be a big old life lesson because of jerky people.

 

[Granny square]

The very fact that other people didn't come to the same conclusion means that people don't always come to the same common sense decisions.

That has nothing to do with common sense. If you can't understand waiting your turn it is a lack of common sense.

Or rather the belief that you deserve more than any one else regardless of common sense

 

[Suellen]

IMHO this would have been the perfect opportunity to teach your daughter to be assertive and stand up for herself.

It's never worked, for me, to be snarky and expect someone to change their behavior...

Well the first kid I thought it would be a good time to teach her to be kind and patient .... then the second kid we just decided to leave anyway and I made my comment as we were leaving to my child not to the person... though apparently he heard....hence his reply.

My kid is just fine in the assertive department... that is no issue. She would just never shove another kid back NOR would I allow it. I get that kids get excited and aren't paying much attention... however the parents I expect more out of. JMHO! In the end it didn't ruin our night and I'm sure DD7 has forgotten the entire thing for now. She will remember when she sees the viewing port again that she didn't get to see last time however.

I gotta add that there was rude behaviour all over... not just these two "cutting" incidents. The parade was going and there were so many people on the stairs that coming down from the train station my 5 year old almost fell down the last few steps because:

A. they were jam packed and
B. she couldn't use the hand rails because they were jam packed.

Talk about dangerous! People were plopped down sitting:

A. in the middle of Main Street (after parade obviously)
B. On the sidewalk with legs stretched out to cover the sidewalk... leaning against post and trash cans and such.

I don't know why I am always surprised how unaware people are of their own behaviour... but I am.

We also tried to play the Sorcerers game and you have to stand on the circle to make it work and people would cross right in front of the girls so we would have to start it 4 and 5 times to hear/see all the information. One woman was even trying to watch with the girls decided she couldn't see good from her angle and walking in front of them to get to the other side.... It really is like people are oblivious to their nasty behaviour!