Cutting in line..

[ttintagel]

I think two different meanings of the word "allowed" are being conflated here.

 

[Love Tink]

They can push and shove their way through line.

Always my favorite part of the Line Nazi argument. We've all seen people make their way through lines - either to join up with their party (which, honestly, only bothers people on the Dis, not normal people) or to try to cheat. Those people are usually trying to make their way through by wending their way around groups, ducking under chains, and saying "Excuse me."

But the Cutting Crazies always refer to how people "push and shove" their way through lines. Ha! As if hundreds of people would just stand there as strangers manhandle them and their children, shoving them aside.

It doesn't happen. Or, okay, it happens maybe one out of every 10,000 times people try to cut through a line. People don't stand for being pushed, or certainly for having their kids pushed. You'd have constant fistfights in the queues. Ridiculous.

 

[maxiesmom]

Always my favorite part of the Line Nazi argument. We've all seen people make their way through lines - either to join up with their party (which, honestly, only bothers people on the Dis, not normal people) or to try to cheat. Those people are usually trying to make their way through by wending their way around groups, ducking under chains, and saying "Excuse me."

But the Cutting Crazies always refer to how people "push and shove" their way through lines. Ha! As if hundreds of people would just stand there as strangers manhandle them and their children, shoving them aside.

It doesn't happen. Or, okay, it happens maybe one out of every 10,000 times people try to cut through a line. People don't stand for being pushed, or certainly for having their kids pushed. You'd have constant fistfights in the queues. Ridiculous.

It is not ridiculous. Most queues are not wide enough to allow people to pass by without pushing by those already in line. Doesn't mean they are full out shoving people, knocking them down, and then stomping on their bleeding bodies.

What I find ridiculous is the statement that only on the Dis are people bothered by this. I can't think of any other theme park that turns a blind eye to it, which tells me that it does indeed upset most people. It is not how things are typically done.

 

[CanadianGuy]

FWIW, we just returned from 7 days at Disney.

The only things close to this we experienced during that time were the following:

- At Festival of the Lion King -- There was this one woman and her husband who clearly didn't want to be doing what she was doing ... doing the "Excuse me, pardon us" two-step to the front of the line. I snickered to myself understanding that it really didn't matter for this show/attraction. Surely enough, once seated, I noted that woman and her husband were about four rows from the front. Maybe that's where they wanted to be? I don't know.

- We walked thru the FP line for Space Mountain and it was quite a hike .. as we continually passed folks in the standby line I heard comments like "Are those people getting right on? That's not fair" etc. And finally two folks from the SB line jumped over behind us. Of course they arrived at the CM who asks for the FP tickets and they had none and that was the end of that adventure.

 

[Superspectral]

Disney allows line cutting.

If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

I don't know if there are other theme parks or amusement parks that allow line cutting, but other than Disney, I've never been to one.

It should be noted that "allows" might be misconstrued as "encourages".

If asked, Disney's policy is that they expect your party to enter a line only when all members of the party are present and ready to enter.

Disney may choose not to enforce this policy in every instance, I suspect for the most part for the same reasons most people do not confront those who enter a line somewhere else than where the line forms - that is if it happens very rarely then either a) a downbeat confrontation and argument does more harm for the bystanders enjoyment; b) they are giving the benefit of the doubt that there may be some extenuating circumstance.

Now it is open to debate people entering a line somewhere else than where the line forms so often that its is a source of constant disruption and stink eye and grumbling in and of itself - that it is it is not rare - then yes, disney is constructively "allowing" line jumping against their policy.

 

[Superspectral]

Always my favorite part of the Line Nazi argument. We've all seen people make their way through lines - either to join up with their party (which, honestly, only bothers people on the Dis, not normal people) or to try to cheat. Those people are usually trying to make their way through by wending their way around groups, ducking under chains, and saying "Excuse me."

But the Cutting Crazies always refer to how people "push and shove" their way through lines. Ha! As if hundreds of people would just stand there as strangers manhandle them and their children, shoving them aside.

It doesn't happen. Or, okay, it happens maybe one out of every 10,000 times people try to cut through a line. People don't stand for being pushed, or certainly for having their kids pushed. You'd have constant fistfights in the queues. Ridiculous.

Respectfully, I think the poster is making quite an unfounded assumption that only DisBoard posters are "bothered" by line jumping. What is true, that only DisBoard posters have a forum for discussing the issue with persons who are interested in discussing it.

If someone enters the line ahead of a person instead of where the line forms, I believe it is universal human nature that the people behind the line will have some small dissappointment that they are now behind one more person; and perhaps envy and questions of why that person is not following the same social norm in standing in line in order as yourself. Now, the rest of the line may choose to excuse the incident, give the benefit of the doubt, ignore it, understand it, laugh at it, or whatever. None of this erases the disappointment or bother. People feel two things at once all the time. No one's reaction is purely binary.

There are many instances where in the end, you get what you want. But the intervening incidents can be dissappointments. Suppose your flight is cancelled due to a mechanical problem. You get rebooked on one that arrives hours later. You'd rather be in Orlando checking in to your hotel, right? But you end up getting there just the same. The delay is entirely excusable on the airlines part. Never the less, everyone is bothered by it. Now OK, an airline mechanical problem is a bigger deal than a cutter. Suppose someone takes the parking space you wanted? Even when you had your blinkers on? Suppose they really had to go to the bathroom? You are probably still frustrated by it.

 

[starjazz]

I love how so many seem to "know" the official policies of disney. Cracks me up. "allowed....not allowed....allowed.....is not.....is too.....is not....is too...."

 

[pepe of ohio]

I love how so many seem to "know" the official policies of disney. Cracks me up. "allowed....not allowed....allowed.....is not.....is too.....is not....is too...."

Yup, same old $&&@$&@, just a different day.... Disney experts !!

 

[Granny square]

Eh, that natural. There are written rules, what people are told and what is enforced. If people want to discuss these things it isn't hurting you. If you don't want to read it, then don't. The joy of MSG boards.

 

[kris4360]

Yup, same old $&&@$&@, just a different day.... Disney experts !!

It's cheap entertainment. Lol

 

[dadddio]

I think two different meanings of the word "allowed" are being conflated here.

This, along with many definitions of 'cutting'.

 

[dadddio]

Respectfully, I think the poster is making quite an unfounded assumption that only DisBoard posters are "bothered" by line jumping. What is true, that only DisBoard posters have a forum for discussing the issue with persons who are interested in discussing it.

The point that people get more upset about these things on the internet than they do in real life is a good one.

 

[2012bella13]

Just to be clear - for some disabilities, the instructions given with the GAC are to use the FP line when one is available. It is standard procedure and it is made clear when the GAC is issued.

This is not true of all kinds of GAC. It is very much true for others.

It is not a matter of abuse or a question of whether or not to do it. It is how you are instructed to use the GAC.

As I said before, I am used to seeing misinformation about the GAC on here. I think some is due to ignorance and some is because of people who are trying to protect the grand secret because they assume everyone will lie if the facts are accessible. I have more faith in people, I guess.

 

[mrs705]

While I have not had much experience with line cutters at the world there was a time at the meet and greet with Rapunzel and friends. I waited in the hot September sun for over and hour and a half with my five yr old daughters and young son in his stroller to meet Rapunzel. The employees finally start to let the people move into the meeting area. Well everyone just started running in and there was no order. Why there was a line to begin with I don't know because it did not seem to matter. Once inside it was chaos. Kids were all gathering at a table in middle for coloring and such so I set my kids up. Little did I know but all adults standing around were in a line for their kids to get autographs. No direction from the staff at all. So I found myself at the back of the line after being one of the first in line on the outside.

 

[Bullseye]

Joining the rest of your family in line IS line cutting. If you were not in line to begin with and have to push past others to meet up with your family, you are cutting in front of those people who you just pushed past. How is that not cutting them?

Right on . Whomever you get in line behind at the start of the line is the same person you should be behind when you actually get on the ride!

BUT...with my family...and we often have 2 seniors...we wait for EVERYONE to be present before we get into the line....always have..always will...just common courtesy..........

And yes...we have been called many names because we will not let other creap up in front of us....again...we wait until everyone is present before getting in a line...even if they are pottying!

Yes it's so simple, but so many feel like it's no big deal if some of their party just catch up in line. One or a few can do the waiting for the whole party!

I'm sure it has happened to us. I try not to focus on it because it's mainly been 1-2 people joining a group. However, I think WDW could easily solve a lot of this by posting signs at each ride that your entire group must enter the line at the same time in order to ride together.

Yes I think this would definitely lessen the problem. At least there would be a sign to refer to when the cutter's are cutting!

Disney allows line cutting.

If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

I don't know if there are other theme parks or amusement parks that allow line cutting, but other than Disney, I've never been to one.

They don't enforce it so I don't know how anyone can say it isn't allowed. The CM's stand there like they are in a trance. Cutting? what cutting?

It is not ridiculous. Most queues are not wide enough to allow people to pass by without pushing by those already in line. Doesn't mean they are full out shoving people, knocking them down, and then stomping on their bleeding bodies.

What I find ridiculous is the statement that only on the Dis are people bothered by this. I can't think of any other theme park that turns a blind eye to it, which tells me that it does indeed upset most people. It is not how things are typically done.

The last time I confronted a cutter, the guy told me "What? Are you kidding, this is Disney!" As if there are no rules and everybody knows it.

 

[Srbright]

So all of you are saying that because I have weak bladder muscles, my entire family should get out of line simply because I have to pee? That is absurd.

/applause

If we 4 are in line, I take two children out to go pee then get back in the line then I have NOT at all affected anyone's length of line time at all.

Keeping two small children hydrated in the Florida sun requires a lot of fluid. There is no way they can stand in line 45+ minutes. By saying that they always have to go to the end that means that they never get to do the event even if it doesn't affect anyone else.

Stacy

 

[Kellykins1218]

/applause

If we 4 are in line, I take two children out to go pee then get back in the line then I have NOT at all affected anyone's length of line time at all.

Keeping two small children hydrated in the Florida sun requires a lot of fluid. There is no way they can stand in line 45+ minutes. By saying that they always have to go to the end that means that they never get to do the event even if it doesn't affect anyone else.

Stacy

I don't have a problem with someone who needs to get OUT of the line for a break and then comes back. What I have a problem with is the people who stop for a potty break, ride something else, or whatever & send someone to hold a place in line for them. The people who show up after we've been in line for 30+ minutes, that have never been in line, and proceed to try to CUT IN LINE in front of me and the all people behind me so "they can catch up with their family." It's one thing if it's a kid but if it's an adult? Forget it. It's rude and my family, as a group, will block them. If they want to ride with their family, then the whole family can meet up BEHIND mine.

 

[Mkrop]

/applause

If we 4 are in line, I take two children out to go pee then get back in the line then I have NOT at all affected anyone's length of line time at all.

Keeping two small children hydrated in the Florida sun requires a lot of fluid. There is no way they can stand in line 45+ minutes. By saying that they always have to go to the end that means that they never get to do the event even if it doesn't affect anyone else.

Stacy

Wow we have amazingly took many trips to WDW, kept our kids hydrated in the hot FL sun at all different ages, and even traveled with two other people who had bladder issues, and I gave birth to two children and have weak bladder muscles, and we have NEVER had to get out of a line to use the bathroom...why you ask...because we all go BEFORE we get into the line. We join the line together, we ride together. If one of them had to go, we would all leave the line, or one parent and one child would leave the line and sit it out. Kids learn this in K. If they get out of the line, they have to go back to the end of the line.

How is this type of behavior in line even remotely fair to someone who is traveling solo, or a single parent with kids. No one is "holding" there spot for them to get back in line if they have to use the bathroom or their child does

I have seen teens cut. We also had a mom and a son cut in POTC. She kept "claiming" she was trying to get back to her family, except said family didnt exist. We watched her for a good long while, she then leaned to her son and said I guess this is as far as we are going to get and they started laughing.

 

[dadddio]

I don't have a problem with someone who needs to get OUT of the line for a break and then comes back. What I have a problem with is the people who stop for a potty break, ride something else, or whatever & send someone to hold a place in line for them. The people who show up after we've been in line for 30+ minutes, that have never been in line, and proceed to try to CUT IN LINE in front of me and the all people behind me so "they can catch up with their family." It's one thing if it's a kid but if it's an adult? Forget it. It's rude and my family, as a group, will block them. If they want to ride with their family, then the whole family can meet up BEHIND mine.

I understand your argument and I agree with it, in theory. In practice, however, I can't identify which camp these people belong to so I assume the best and don't give the issue another thought.

 

[LucyBC80]

I don't have a problem with someone who needs to get OUT of the line for a break and then comes back. What I have a problem with is the people who stop for a potty break, ride something else, or whatever & send someone to hold a place in line for them. The people who show up after we've been in line for 30+ minutes, that have never been in line, and proceed to try to CUT IN LINE in front of me and the all people behind me so "they can catch up with their family." It's one thing if it's a kid but if it's an adult? Forget it. It's rude and my family, as a group, will block them. If they want to ride with their family, then the whole family can meet up BEHIND mine.

A hundred times this.

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