Cutting in line..

[LaurenT]

Thanks for the insight. I understand how someone with over active bladder/urge incontinence might want to avoid a ride like that.

I guess I'm confused as to why previous poster inferred that someone with kidney disease should not ride rides, and only go to the shows?

Pretty sure that poster was referring to the pregnancy part of it, not the kidney disease. Although, no reason not to go on most rides while pregnant. I'd probably stay off of EE and RnRC -

 

[2012bella13]

 

[Peter Fan]

Well if a cm gave someone a GAC and the cm is letting them in the fp line then it is legit.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

True, I did overlook the park opening part, my bad.

As an adult, would YOU (general you, not just Disney_Princess83 ) feel ok pushing past enough people to cause a 30 minute wait to rejoin your party?

It would very much depend on the situation. For me personally, I probably wouldn't. The ride lines are usually quite difficult to do this with. Although if I had been waiting 45 minutes+, suddenly had to go to the bathroom and by doing so I'd have to wait another hour + in line... I can't see the moral dilemma, it's just quite impratical to try and get back in line.

Joining the rest of your family in line IS line cutting. If you were not in line to begin with and have to push past others to meet up with your family, you are cutting in front of those people who you just pushed past. How is that not cutting them?

What if you were in line and had to leave with a child for an emergency bathroom break? We've done it, last trip we had been waiting half an hour for Beast (he and Belle weren't out yet) and the line was already long. I had to duck to the bathroom so I raced across and back and jumped in line with my sister. Because we were just lining up outside, it was easy to rejoin my sister. That's not line cutting to me, I had already lined up for half an hour, what was I meant to do - entirely get out of the line, lose my spot, probably not be able to meet Belle and Beast since the line used to get cut quite quickly there?

To me, cutting in line is that you've never been in the line, your family isn't in line and you just push your way to get toward the front. If I was in line and then left, it's not line cutting because you have already been waiting.

 

[Peter Fan]

There are a few (please note the emphasis on this) attractions where someone with a GAC or a wheelchair/ECV skips the regular standby line. This only occurs on some of the older attractions where the line cannot accommodate a chair or scooter OR if the person with the GAC cannot tolerate the conditions of the standby line. In those situations there will be an alternate route for them to take, or there will be an alternate place for the guest to wait their turn. In these situations the guest will usually wait as long as guests in the regular line. Sometimes they will wait longer.

Does GAC abuse happen? Without doubt. You will always have those who will try to milk any system, and current ADA laws prevent Disney from requiring proof of disability. Hopefully most of the cheaters quickly learn that the GACs aren't quite the superfastpass that they thought they were.

You should get your facts straight before telling them they are wrong. How can I be wrong if I was there and did it!

 

[jrtoastyman]

I was making my way through the Space Mountain FP line and a watched a group of about 15 people literally hop from the standby line into the FP line and make their way to the front of the line in front of me. When they got to the CM that was taking FPs, they feigned ignorance (I suppose it could have been real ignorance, but I doubt it) and after holding up the line arguing for a couple of minutes, the CM eventually relented and moved them ahead to boarding.

Right before they boarded, though, the CM that let them through instructed the person boarding them to stop them and let me and a large group of people behind me in the FP queue board instead. Not sure when they were eventually allowed to ride, but I couldn't help but smile as I walked by them into my rightful place in line. Yep, they may have successfully cut in front of lots of other people, but they failed in cutting in front of me.

 

[maxiesmom]

What if you were in line and had to leave with a child for an emergency bathroom break? We've done it, last trip we had been waiting half an hour for Beast (he and Belle weren't out yet) and the line was already long. I had to duck to the bathroom so I raced across and back and jumped in line with my sister. Because we were just lining up outside, it was easy to rejoin my sister. That's not line cutting to me, I had already lined up for half an hour, what was I meant to do - entirely get out of the line, lose my spot, probably not be able to meet Belle and Beast since the line used to get cut quite quickly there?

To me, cutting in line is that you've never been in the line, your family isn't in line and you just push your way to get toward the front. If I was in line and then left, it's not line cutting because you have already been waiting.

I agree with you. But to me it is more understandable for a child to have to leave line for a potty break, and then to let them back in. If an adult has to leave, I guess I think they are old enough to take their knocks and just meet the family when they are done riding. I've done it before. There is no way I would be comfortable pushing past a huge line of people to get back in way up front.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

I agree with you. But to me it is more understandable for a child to have to leave line for a potty break, and then to let them back in. If an adult has to leave, I guess I think they are old enough to take their knocks and just meet the family when they are done riding. I've done it before. There is no way I would be comfortable pushing past a huge line of people to get back in way up front.

If it were a ride line, I probably wouldn't have attempted to rejoin, simply because it's too difficult. But with the character lines outside, it was easy to jump straight back in. In our situation, we would have missed out on seeing Beast entirely and since we had already been waiting half an hour, we didn't want to lose the spot.

 

[Love Tink]

Forgive me for being lost.

Are we taking the position that GAC holders who go through the FP line are doing it right or that they are abusing the FP line?

Just to be clear - for some disabilities, the instructions given with the GAC are to use the FP line when one is available. It is standard procedure and it is made clear when the GAC is issued.

This is not true of all kinds of GAC. It is very much true for others.

It is not a matter of abuse or a question of whether or not to do it. It is how you are instructed to use the GAC.

As I said before, I am used to seeing misinformation about the GAC on here. I think some is due to ignorance and some is because of people who are trying to protect the grand secret because they assume everyone will lie if the facts are accessible. I have more faith in people, I guess.

 

[tlkgt76]

I don't think as an adult there is any reason you should rejoin a line once you leave. If I had a medical problem and had to leave the line, I wouldn't try and rejoin it. If I had to use the bathroom, I wouldn't rejoin. I would wait for the rest of the family. Any way you slice it, you have to push past people who are standing in line, and there just isn't really the room to do that. And I think bumping into numerous people as you try to get back to your family is rude.

Please don't take the following as sarcastic or in a mad tone. Its really not meant to be that way.

First of all, I promised my little girl that I would ride the teacups the first time this happened. Trust me, I would have rather not rode them especially after dang near falling to the ground, but she waited five years and I wasn't going to let her down. At the time, I thought it was a once-in-a-lifetime trip (no offence, but I can tell by the number of your posts that you probably get more opportunities to visit WDW than we do, maybe I've assumed that incorrectly). I left the line for about 5 minutes to go hide behind another ride and give myself a life saving shot. Also, you mentioned that you don't have a medical condition so I'm also assuming that you have no idea what its like to battle this on a daily basis. You either forge ahead and live life or you sit back and watch it pass by.

Have you ever passed out from a blood sugar issue? I have and its not pretty. It can hit you like a ton of bricks without warning and it could KILL me. If that's not a good excuse to head out of line for a second, I don't know what is. Whether I leave the line and come back or not, you're still waiting through the same number of people.

I don't think I should get one of the passes handed out for those with disabilities to avoid something that's only happened to me three times in the 31 total days I've been in a Disney park because I don't feel like I have one and I would be taking advantage. Most people are understanding, decent and lighthearted about the situation and I appreciate that. If somebody doesn't understand, that's OK. Someday they may be put into a situation that will change their opinion and I'll be happy to sacrifice one little spot in line that they would have been in anyway because sometimes you should just be nice to others.

Also, I don't just push through "bumping into numerous people". I went back through saying "excuse me" or "I'm sorry" with my insulin and syringes in hand (I think most people figured out why I had to leave and come back). I did have one person question me, but when I calmly explained what happened they were VERY understanding.

I guess I'll ask everybody here, because I really don't want to intentionally tick anybody off. Would you rather me lift my shirt and give myself a shot in line or would you rather me leave the line for a moment? I can't do shots in my arms, but I wish that was an option.

 

[ImAllEars]

I don't let it upset me because

1) it has so rarely happened so us I don't see it being an issue
2) I'm on holidays, I'm not going to let something SO petty bother me! It's going to hold us up maybe... 20 seconds? LoL
3) If people are meeting up with their group, I have no problem with them when them doing so. This is a theme park, not the line for a kidney transplant.

A CM isn't going to enforce it so I just move on! If I get upset about it, then I'm ALLOWING them to "ruin" my time in the parks.

I feel bad for people who get so upset over these things! It must be a nightmare to be so worried about what other people are doing. In reality it costs you 30 seconds at most. If someone tried to stop me from joining my family, I'd definitely get a CM involved. Bathroom breaks happen and if you're waiting an hour + in line for an attraction, you can't just say "Should have gone before!" LoL especially not to children.

Great post and very well said..

 

[ttintagel]

....sure looked like standard procedure to me.

Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. It depends on:

The specific needs of the specific rider with the GAC
The layout of the standby queue and regular entrance for that specific attraction
Number of other people needing accommodation at that specific point in time, and their specific needs
Traffic flow at that specific point in time
The CM on duty

There is no one specific method WDW uses at every attraction, every day, every time, for every guest with a disability.

 

[ses1230]

Pretty sure that poster was referring to the pregnancy part of it, not the kidney disease. Although, no reason not to go on most rides while pregnant. I'd probably stay off of EE and RnRC -

Thank you and #1DopeyFan for clarifying. I misunderstood the post and it touched a nerve.

 

[Kellykins1218]

Yep. I was in the single rider line waiting at the podium for RnRC when a dad and his kids used a GAC to go thru the FP line - so he had obviously already shown it to the first CM outside....sure looked like standard procedure to me.

My 5 and 7 yr olds are both autistic. We keep them in their strollers while in line and have a GAC that has a stamp that says we can use the alternate entrance at attractions. The alternate entrance is usually the fastpass line so, yes, it is standard procedure. We aren't abusing the system. We are using the accomodations offered to our disabled children to allow them to enjoy Disney. Not all GACs have the alternate entrance stamp. It depends on what accomodations the person with the disability needs. Disney does an amazing job making the park accessible to everyone even those with "invisible" disabilities. That's why they get so much of our money every year

 

[joeyandangiesmom]

Do not like line snugglers...the worst we have ever experienced it to date was at DCA this December...

BUT...with my family...and we often have 2 seniors...we wait for EVERYONE to be present before we get into the line....always have..always will...just common courtesy..........

And yes...we have been called many names because we will not let other creap up in front of us....again...we wait until everyone is present before getting in a line...even if they are pottying!

 

[Granny square]

Every pregnant person around would be using the GAC. It's for disabilities. Not frequent pee'ers.

Obviously you don't get that there are diseases that affect the bladder, etc.

If the card can help a kid who gets skitchy standing in crowds it sure should help someone with a physical disability.

Unless it is a group that is bringing 10 people through a tight line I could care less if a person comes or goes. I tend to assume that there is a reason most people do such things, and they know their tolerances and their issues far better then I do.

 

[larryz]

Here- This one's on me- You are entitled to it since you invented the game. Now one for me.

We've encountered line cutting many times. Usually multiply times in the course of a week's visit. I have never had a problem with someone who has to leave the line for whatever reason, and then return. I do have a problem with those self important guests who think that their time is SO much more important than everyone else's and that they are entitled to waltz through the line when it suits them. But, of course, that's just my opinion, and everyone is at least entitled to that. . That's my limit. I'll have to switch to Coke now.

Argh! Slow down, please -- I have to go to work tomorrow!!!

Kungalooooooooossssssshhhhhhhhh! (urp!)

 

[larryz]

Thank you and #1DopeyFan for clarifying. I misunderstood the post and it touched a nerve.

Happy 3,000th post!!!

 

[AppleSister1]

I felt so bad this last trip....I lost my family for a beat in Epcot when I stopped at the b-room and when I found them they were in line for spaceship earth. I was going to wait for them but they wanted me to get in line with them...which I did. They were only a few parties up from the end. Was that bad??? I felt guilty....I think I may be too much of an obsessive rule follower.

 

[smidgy]

Holding the line for family members is not really line cutting. It might be an inconvenience to others and therefore kind of rude, but it isn't really line cutting. I don't do it, but I also don't ever bat an eye when it happens bc that's the way it goes.

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this is the reason I disagree with this statement. even though this family would have been in the same car anyway, or been in front of you anyway, YOU didn't know this when you chose to get in the line!

we check the stated wait time.. if we think it's too long, we don't join it. if we like the stated time, we do. esp. now with the strict enforcement of FP return times, and the possibility of an ADR (along with various other reasons), if everyonw had a "placeholder" in line, and the rest of the family went off to do other things, or sat on a bench nearby for a while, etc. the stated wait time would change drastically.
If someone in you party has to go the the bathroom, stop there, then all get in line together.

if, however, someone has to leave the line to use the bathroom, up their blood sugar, whatever, that is ok with me.. they are truly rejoining the line.