Cutting in Line

[Disneyadore]

I dont undersatand what this has to do with being a FP runner...I am a FP runner and never encountered any of this...

Do you really like pushing yourself along hundreds of people?

I think he/she was referring to FP runner + cutting .....

 

[goofy4tink]

I really have no issue with one person joining everyone else in their party in line. It usually isn't going to be a case of shoving past 100's of 'smelly' people. We also don't go that far into the line if we are waiting for that one person. If that runner, usually me, is headed to a FP station, it is not going to be all that far from where everyone else is. So, by the time I get the FPs, and make my way to my group, they may have about 20 people behind them...certainly not 100's. If it's an attraction like Test Track, where the line weaves around inside, then the group waits for me just around the first bend...they allow others to move past them. Same thing with Mission:Space.
BUT.....if you are trying to put one person in the line, and then have the rest of your group join them...no, that's not kosher. I've seen a few teens in a line, then after a 15 min wait in line, along comes the rest of their group...'Here we are, we're coming, 'scuse me, pardon me...almost there....' and so on. But, it's a group of 10 or so!! Ah, no. If you want to ride together, then the first group needs to move back to the latecoming group.

You have small children that may need to use the restroom? Stop there on the way. We make potty breaks every 90 mins...and we have no one younger than 16!!. But to have dad go on ahead and get into the line, while mom toilets the 4 kids, then tries to join dad in line??? Sorry, not acceptable.

 

[2forMe]

I would have no problem with this. What about the person who catches up to their group because they had to go to the washroom....same thing imo.

 

[DaniB]

Hm. Regarding the bathroom issue: I am going to practice compassion toward others and hope that the kindness is repaid to me should I ever need it.

The less kind part of me hopes that for those who would refuse to allow a child to exit the queue for a bathroom break and return, the child bravely tries to hold it and pees on your shoes instead.

Kudos to you!

Lines are lines everywhere. So while I have not yet been to the world, I have been in plently of lines. I let people leave and come back for washrooms. And I have had to leave to take my kids to the bathroom and come back. Most people are grateful when I have no problem, and I have yet to actually encounter a person who got upset over my taking my kids out & back in lines when they were little.

Not just kids - adults too!

BTW folks - regarding young ones - their bladders and bowls (sp?) are STILL DEVELOPING and they are UNABLE to hold back like adults. In MANY CASES they literally just do NOT KNOW they have "to go" until a few minutes before as they are still learning their body signals.

Edited to add that yes, obviously our family makes multiple stops to make sure the kids "have gone" before a ride - but life, and it's unpleasant parts - happens!

A little compassion goes a long way in life...

As for folks trying to catch up to their party because of fasspasses - they are wrong, wrong, wrong. Their party should have waited for them before entering the line.

 

[DaniB]

And for those that leave the line to get a soda, ice cream etc. It is ONLY acceptable if you bring back enough for EVERYONE

Love it!! Now if only we could find a way to enforce that!

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I think I'll let people by me, but I'm asking for money if they do.

I like this idea!

 

[mjkacmom]

One person would not bother me, because it wouldn't hold the line up, since they're probably riding together as a family.

 

[LuvSummer]

line cutting really bothers me especially when it is a family catching up with the one person who is holding their place in line. My children also find they have to go as we step into line, their choice get off line or hold it and I hope they make it. We go in July and it is hot and my temper matches the outside temperature as I watch people keep cutting me making my wait time increase as their time decreases. My DH runs to get the FP and I have my kids go to the bathroom and then we all get on the line.

 

[TisBit]

Having a FP runner is not bad in and of itself. It's FP runner + cutting that's bad. So, say your family gets in line while the runner goes to get fastpasses. Then when the runner arrives, he has to cut in front of people to join his family. That's the part people are objecting to.

But the OP posted about how the strategy books talk about having a runner and meeting at another ride, I don't think any of them say you get in line without the runner, that is the part that people are misinterpreting and you did it in my post as well.

Very rarely do you have to wait for the runner to arrive if you are not rushing to another ride but taking your time getting there. Just because it says send one to a fastpass while everyone else goes to another ride means you even need to get in line and most people don't......sure some do, but there is always someone that is going to try anything, especially at WDW

 

[goofy4tink]

Kudos to you!

Lines are lines everywhere. So while I have not yet been to the world, I have been in plently of lines. I let people leave and come back for washrooms. And I have had to leave to take my kids to the bathroom and come back. Most people are grateful when I have no problem, and I have yet to actually encounter a person who got upset over my taking my kids out & back in lines when they were little.

Not just kids - adults too!

BTW folks - regarding young ones - their bladders and bowls (sp?) are STILL DEVELOPING and they are UNABLE to hold back like adults. In MANY CASES they literally just do NOT KNOW they have "to go" until a few minutes before as they are still learning their body signals.

Edited to add that yes, obviously our family makes multiple stops to make sure the kids "have gone" before a ride - but life, and it's unpleasant parts - happens!

A little compassion goes a long way in life...

As for folks trying to catch up to their party because of fasspasses - they are wrong, wrong, wrong. Their party should have waited for them before entering the line.

OKay...but what about the family who is walking up to the attraction, when Sally says she has to 'go potty'...so mom takes Sally, and Bobby and Tommy, to the restroom while Dad heads into the attraction. Then, 8 mins later mom and the kids return to track dad down in the line. How is this different than the person who is 'cutting' after gathering FPs?? After all...it's just one person with the FPs.
BUT....I have no issue with the family is already in line when one of the kids has to use the bathroom. Mom gets out of line with the child and returns, past the same people she passed on the way out..they all realize it's not truly cutting. I have even held a mom's place in line when her dd urgently needed a potty run...she left and returned to stand in her original place, right behind me. I don't think anyone had an issue with that.

 

[ILVPOOH]

I have 2 children and not once did they or any other person in my group had to use the restrooms while in line. Just go before you get in line. If it was a small child, I don't see a problem in the mother or dad taking the child to the restroom and then come back in line. As for fast passes, we have one person go and get the fast passes for one ride and the rest of the group waits at the entrance of the other ride. When the person with the fast passes come back we all go into the ride together. That's how it should be done.

 

[ShannonMB]

Usually on these threads, someone has mentioned by now how things work at most amusement parks (Six Flags, etc), and that is, no one enters the line to "cut" for any reason. If your family is ahead of you, either they come back to the end of the line or you ride without them. Everyone gets in line together, or they ride alone. Just because Disney doesn't usually enforce this the way most other parks do, doesn't mean that it should be a free-for-all and anyone who has any reason to arrive late at the line should just be able to go on by to meet up with whoever.

To Tisbit, a FP runner is the king/queen of all pixie dust! Your family is lucky to have you doing the dirty work! I think it's awesome that while you are running, the rest of your party can leisurely head to the next attraction. I totally agree with this strategey! As long as they take their time and aren't running to get in the next line for you to catch up with them, great!

 

[TisBit]

OKay...but what about the family who is walking up to the attraction, when Sally says she has to 'go potty'...so mom takes Sally, and Bobby and Tommy, to the restroom while Dad heads into the attraction. Then, 8 mins later mom and the kids return to track dad down in the line.

theres a saying for that "can't fix stupid"

 

[jdcthree]

I agree with the posters that have made these points: The entire party should enter the line together. If someone has to leave the line for any reason, they just gave up their spot in line. While I may not mind one person catching up with their party, when 10, 12, 20+ "one persons" are catching up with their party, it quickly becomes a problem!

Will I let line-cutters ruin my vacation? Of course not, but it's still wrong.

 

[DaniB]

OKay...but what about the family who is walking up to the attraction, when Sally says she has to 'go potty'...so mom takes Sally, and Bobby and Tommy, to the restroom while Dad heads into the attraction. Then, 8 mins later mom and the kids return to track dad down in the line. How is this different than the person who is 'cutting' after gathering FPs?? After all...it's just one person with the FPs.
BUT....I have no issue with the family is already in line when one of the kids has to use the bathroom. Mom gets out of line with the child and returns, past the same people she passed on the way out..they all realize it's not truly cutting. I have even held a mom's place in line when her dd urgently needed a potty run...she left and returned to stand in her original place, right behind me. I don't think anyone had an issue with that.

But they have not actually entered the line-up. Daddy should have waited for them at the entrance.

IMO - Daddy should have taken Bobby & Tommy to the restrooms! Our second child is boy and I refuse to take him in if my husband is there. After all the years of my taking our daughter in, it's his turn with the boy!

I'm really only referring to those kids who are already down in the line-up and suddenly realize yes, they do have to go.

 

[bellebookworm9]

But the OP posted about how the strategy books talk about having a runner and meeting at another ride, I don't think any of them say you get in line without the runner, that is the part that people are misinterpreting and you did it in my post as well.

Very rarely do you have to wait for the runner to arrive if you are not rushing to another ride but taking your time getting there. Just because it says send one to a fastpass while everyone else goes to another ride means you even need to get in line and most people don't......sure some do, but there is always someone that is going to try anything, especially at WDW

I think I've read this strategy in the Unofficial Guide. It definitely doesn't say the party should get in the line while the runner is getting the FPs. I think this strategy is intended for large parties or parties with small children, who will probably not move to the attraction quickly anyway and then the runner will meet their party before they all get in line.

RideMax has an option for a FASTPASS runner. Generally, the runner should be willing to miss some attractions so this "line cutting" doesn't happen. Or, it will say something like "Runner goes to Ride X to get FPs, then meets Main Group at Ride Y". Again, it doesn't say to have Main Group get in line, just meet them there, preferably outside the attraction.

I have not encountered this situation, and as it is just mom and I we haven't had to have only one of us get FPs.

 

[DisGirl23]

It's cutting in line. Does it bother me? A little. Especially since the lines are usually pretty tight and it gets a little annoying being pushed into the person I'm with or the complete stranger in front of me.
That being said, it's going to be done so I don't let it ruin my Disney vacation! It does take a lot for me to get worked up there.
We like to stick together so, if someone has to use the washroom, we wait for each other. And I don't consider Disney "Do or Die!" The attractions aren't going anywhere and we've never missed anything we wanted to do.

 

[larryz]

... not an issue, because you were already in line ahead of me. As long as you make it back to the line before we get into the loading area, I have no problem with you coming back and getting back into your place in the line, especially if you have someone around you to vouch for you.

As for families/groups going ahead and "saving a place"...that grates on me like fingernails on a chalkboard. Parties should (MUST!) enter the queue together, just like in the restaurants.

There are two ways to "cut the line" as far as I'm concerned: you either pay Disney for it (with the VIP or some other tour) or you pay me.

 

[itchin2go]

But the OP posted about how the strategy books talk about having a runner and meeting at another ride, I don't think any of them say you get in line without the runner, that is the part that people are misinterpreting and you did it in my post as well.

I went back and re-read just to be sure. OP posted about a FP runner who then joins his party who is already in line.

At any rate, if you don't cut in line, then there's no issue.

And I thought (like you) that I read a reference to guide books in the OP, but now I don't see one. At any rate, I don't know whether guidebooks suggest this or not. I seem to recall the Bubba Swap (is that what it's called) from the UG did require cutting in line. Anyone remember this as well?

 

[bellebookworm9]

I went back and re-read just to be sure. OP posted about a FP runner who then joins his party who is already in line.

I'm trying not to be confusing, but I think I've got it straight. I *think* you're talking about Family X going on a ride without FP Runner. FP Runner gets the FPs to an attraction while Family X rides. Then Family X and the FP Runner meet at the next ride. Right?

And I thought (like you) that I read a reference to guide books in the OP, but now I don't see one. At any rate, I don't know whether guidebooks suggest this or not. I seem to recall the Bubba Swap (is that what it's called) from the UG did require cutting in line. Anyone remember this as well?

I think the OP is complaining about this scenario:
Family X gets in line for Pirates. The runner goes to BTMRR to get FPs and then goes back to meet Family X in the line for Pirates, cutting all the people between the entrance and his party.

TisBit is saying Family X gets in line for Pirates. They ride while runner is getting FPs for BTMRR (he doesn't care about riding Pirates). After the ride, they all meet at Jungle Cruise at the entrance to the ride.

The Bubba Swap is sort of cutting. Let's use Dumbo for example. (And yes, it's possible that I've memorized most of the UG )Mom and Junior get in line for Dumbo. Dad lets 24 people get between him and mom. By the time dad gets to the entrance gate, mom and junior will be at the exit. Mom hands Junior over the railing to Dad, so Junior can ride again. I don't think this is quite as obnoxious. Whether Dad rides Dumbo by himself or with Junior, they're still only taking up 1 elephant.