Crying it out?

Bird-Mom said:
We do not let our babies cry themselves to sleep. Crying is how a baby communicates. If they cry, they need something. What you are teaching baby by letting them CIO is that when you ask for what you need, you don't get it. They often fall asleep out of sheer exhaustion brought on by the crying. After a few nights of their needs being met, it is not that they know how to put themselves to sleep but that they realize no one is going to meet their needs so why bother asking. :sad1:

Actually, crying is harmful. It releases a hormone called cortisol, which is also known as the stress hormone. Cortisol can cause all types of problems with weight, memory, fear management, etc. There is a Harvard study which talks about babies left to CIO leading to post traumatic stress disorder and panic disorders as adults. http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1998/04.09/ChildrenNeedTou.html

More good info why babies should not CIO:
http://www.evalillian.com/Crying.aspx

My 3 year old was a terrible sleeper. Some nights she still is. But 80% of the time, she puts herself to sleep without any problems. Had I left her to cry, she would have cried until she made herself sick. My 1 year old is sometimes a good sleeper, but not always. Lately, she has been nursing 5+ times at night. She needs me. She is teething, and a little Boo gets her right back to sleep.

Children will learn to be independant and separate. But IMO, a baby doesn't need to learn that at a very young age.

My 3 year old was never separated from me. Never left with a sitter or put in daycare. When she turned 3, she went to developmental preschool. We talked a lot about it, but I don't know how much she understood because we do not know the full extent of her delays. I took her into the school and dropped her off at the classroom. She said "Bye Mama" and never looked back. Not a tear or even a sniffle. I didn't even get a hug. Her attachment to me made her secure enough to go off and know that I would be back for her.

Hearing about babies left to cry makes me feel sick. It makes me feel really sad to see parents cheering each other on and reinforcing that it is ok to do that.

so two moms that have had great results from not letting kids or babies cry...
 
When my kids were babies/toddlers I let them keep their bottles until they were ready to throw it out on their own. I also let them keep the pacifiers until they were ready to get to rid of them too. I don't really see the big deal in taking it away because you're only torturing yourself. Maybe I missed something here. At breakfast, lunch and dinnertime, I made sure they watched Mom and Dad drink from a cup.

Cadence
 
devotedchristian said:
jodifla, you do know that was child abuse? I'm assuming you did it out of *Ignorance* because there is NO parenting book out there that would approve of Cry it Out on a 6week old.

It's not even a RECOMMENDED until 6months of age.


Ah, child abuse? You've got to be kidding. You're a bit wound up on this, huh? Maybe it's from your lack of sleep. You know nothing about the method, yet you judge it.

And there is a book. It's called The Contented Baby. Worked like a charm.
 
720L said:
I wonder if ALL kids whose parents never let them cry are able to console themselves when they get older? I read other posts that your kids are fine handling things at 5yrs old or whatever, but come on, there have got to be some kids who were run to everytime they made a peep that can't put themselves to sleep on their own. Crying is NOT bad, it doesn't hurt them.

We practiced the attachment parenting (co-slept, didn't let them cry it out, etc...) - and they have grown into wonderful, caring adults. While it may have made things a bit harder for us when they were babies; I feel it's paid off a thousand times over.
 

I think you should go with your instincts. It really depends on the child's personality and doing what works. With my DD (now 13) I was a young 23yo first time mom and did the "tough love...cry it out" thing. She was an independent little thing and it worked for her. When DS came along 7 years later, I nursed him. He was a quiet, shy, clingy baby and it just worked out better keeping him in a crib by my bed...cuddling him when he cried..etc. Both kids have turned out fine, and I was praised and criticized both ways.

The trick is to come up with a strategy, evaluate it for safety and common sense, give it a go....and then readjust...until you find the right combination for that particular kid. There is no ONE best way.
 
MayMom said:
Hi all!
I wanted to post an update. My DD is doing pretty well. She is not waking every night looking for her "baba." She has slowly (it has been several nights now!) began to ease up on the crying and only cries about 5 minutes now. She is resting much better and is in a better mood throughout the day. I agree with posters that recommend taking that "baba" away earlier. But she is the last baby that I will have and I was really (selfishly) hanging on to her baby time.
I also wanted to add that I didn't mean to start a war over parenting methods. I understand that everyone has their own way of handling nighttime routines. I teach an autism classroom for the county that I live in. I have 6 students, 2 teachers aides, 1 occupational therapist and 1 speech pathologist that work under my guidance in my classroom. I also evaluate children in our county to determine placement in the autism program and do public speaking in schools on autism in the classroom.. To say that my job was stressful would be the largest understatement of the year. I am presently on summer break and I know that I need to plan and prepare my daughter for this fall when I will be unable to be up all night with her. I love my daughter very much. I spend most of my days with children who are profoundly affected by handicaps. My perfect daughter is a blessing from God. I don't take the responsiblity of her care lightly. I did speak to her pediatrician and he recommended the CIO method. I believe MOST pediatricians do recommend this method. (not ALL, just most)

If you don't believe in this method, I respect that. I just think this forum is for those mothers that do believe in it and can offer me some advice. :flower3:

Glad things are going better. Stick to your guns, mom. This too shall pass.

As the mother of a severe/profound MR child, with autism & various other disabilities, let me say a hearty, holy THANK YOU :worship: for what you do. Incidentally, we also used the CIO method with Christian when he was a toddler and now he sleeps beautifully--a real rarity for autistic kids.

Several other posters mentioned something that bears repeating: whichever method you choose, stick to it. Don't change your approach based on how you feel at the time. And don't let others make you feel guilty about your choices. All my kids did CIO and they are well-regulated, nice kids.
 
becca011906 said:
so two moms that have had great results from not letting kids or babies cry...

Make it three. I don't think CIO is bad, it just wasn't for me and I don't think babies need to learn how to sleep on their own or we need to force infants to learn to be independent. JMHO.
 
I never did cio, and I have 2 great sleepers (now 6 and almost 3)! My expectations were for normal baby behavior (babies are supposed to wake at night) and my first slept 12 hours uniterrupted at 6 months and my second slept 12 hours at 15-16 months. Early to bed at 6:30-7 pm and quickly responding were my tools! There is no need to scream when you know help will be there. I never used bottles, as I nursed, but I think a baby who is dependant on a bottle to sleep is the parents fault, as they allowed the child to become dependant. To take a comfort object away and expect no repercussions is rather naive! My boys had comfort stuffed animals and I would NEVER take them away! You really have to think about the long term rather than the short term when you choose to do something. Don't allow your baby to depend on something you will take away in the years they most need a lovey! Anyway, I want to point out that it is not that my kids never cried...they did...but they have never cried alone...in their beds or otherwise. I am thrilled with their sleeping habits! The No Cry Sleep Solution is awesome, and is good for parents and babies.
 
I tried it with my second child...he was a throw upper....I can say that I didn't stick with the process very long....Cuddling and non crying worked much better for us.

I was a holder and carrier and cuddler.....All my kids have grown up to be wonderful kids so I think what ever method your comfortable with is fine...

Though I too have issues with the 6 week old...I had a friend that did this only to be told by her ped that the child wasn't gettting enough calories and gaining weight properly....Maybe the crying was a sign of hunger in the 6 week old....
 
We dont CIO in our house. DH & I absolutly refuse to let our 2 year old DS CIO. In our opinion there is just no need for it at all!

My DS just came off the bottle completely 3 months ago. One day he just woke up & never asked for a bottle again, and kept asking for his cups. There was no fighting, no crying, no nothing. It was totally his decission & he was ready to give it up.

We also AP here. So we co-sleep (and yes DH & I get our "quailty time" just fine...We have become very creative & having a lot of fun trying out other areas of the house :laughing:).

My DS goes to sleep fine at night & nap time. He is a well adjusted very sweet little boy. He can "self sooth" just fine. I honestly dont see why people get their panties in a twist because a BABY wants his or her Mommy to make it better?
 
lclark0621 said:
We also AP here. So we co-sleep (and yes DH & I get our "quailty time" just fine...We have become very creative & having a lot of fun trying out other areas of the house :laughing:).

^ LOL!

I agree with the point someone said about using common sense with your own kids. I did read that "expecting" book and that was kind of neat (I'm reading it again). But parenting books I leave on the shelf.

Cadence
 
We also AP here, too.

I cannot imagine having a newborn CIO as young as 5 or 6 weeks old. To me that's extreme...
 
MayMom said:
My question to all those Moms with babies that sleep by themselves in their own beds

MayMom did say she needs advice from moms whose babies sleep in their own beds. While the family bed works for some she also stated in another post that it doesn't work for her. The opinions are fine as long as they don't fault parents who do it differently.

lclark- I think the reason some may get their "panties in a twist" is because of the critical opinions of some who use AP methods and refer to CIO methods as child abuse. I believe there was only one poster who used that method with a newborn (6wks) which is rare and not something most parents do? :confused3

There are studies done on both and parents who have tried both and for the advocates of CIO it works best and ditto for those parents who AP. Mine all were nursed through the first year, I have stayed home with each of them, prayed over them nightly and love them more than life! :grouphug: I also at some point have let them cry. They are usually to the mad point and would reject my attempt at consoling. ;) One of mine would arch their back and scream/refused to be rocked and preferred humming with their paci to get to sleep.

If I named a dozen friends I would say at least 10 have used the CIO method at some point and I would say 11 of them do not have a family bed. NOTHING wrong with the family bed, but my point is why be critical of what works for a lot of people? :confused:

MayMom how is your baby? I hope things have improved! Keep us posted- :hug:
 
jodifla said:
Ah, child abuse? You've got to be kidding. You're a bit wound up on this, huh? Maybe it's from your lack of sleep. You know nothing about the method, yet you judge it.

And there is a book. It's called The Contented Baby. Worked like a charm.

Yes, it is child abuse.
 
devotedchristian said:
Yes, it is child abuse.

Devoted Christian - are you trying to be confrontational? I believe I mentioned that if you don't believe in the CIO method that it is FINE with everyone. This forum is for me to receive some advice from mothers who DO believe it it - you said you don't - we ALL HEARD YOU - Why keep coming back? :sad2:

To all my other veteran CIO mothers - yes, my daughter is doing better. She only cries about 2 minutes when I lay her down. The new dilemma is her babysitter this fall will have a Pack and Play for her to take a nap in. Should I go ahead and try to give her a nap in a Pack and Play at home or keep putting her in her bed? I know that I shouldn't break from the consistency of what I have been doing, but I want to prepare her also. :listen:
 
MayMom said:
Devoted Christian - are you trying to be confrontational? I believe I mentioned that if you don't believe in the CIO method that it is FINE with everyone. This forum is for me to receive some advice from mothers who DO believe it it - you said you don't - we ALL HEARD YOU - Why keep coming back? :sad2:

To all my other veteran CIO mothers - yes, my daughter is doing better. She only cries about 2 minutes when I lay her down. The new dilemma is her babysitter this fall will have a Pack and Play for her to take a nap in. Should I go ahead and try to give her a nap in a Pack and Play at home or keep putting her in her bed? I know that I shouldn't break from the consistency of what I have been doing, but I want to prepare her also. :listen:

First let me say (My goodness.... :sad2: ) I've read through most of these posts and it took me a minute to determine what the acronym "CIO" was...yikes...what a controversy! Good grief.

Anyhoo....I apparantly did CIO, without even knowing it. It was just my motherly instincts to get my DD to fall asleep. My DD was sleeping in her own crib in her own room at age three months, we had a few issues here and there with sleep, but now she's almost three and is the PERFECT sleeper. NEVER EVER EVER, gets up after we put her to bed and sleeps through the entire night. She even will go and tell us she's ready for bed.

That being said, my DD went to day care until age 10 months and I was a little concerned about her sleeping in a different situation. However, what I have found out is that kids will adapt easily to a different situtaion. Especially if your DD is on a regular nap schedule, she will easily fall asleep in a pack and play. I wouldn't change up the routine at home. She will take a day or two to adjust with the babysitter and will learn that she takes a nap in the pack n play at the babysitter and sleeps in her crib at night at home.

You'll be fine.

Glad to see your DD is doing better. Stick with it.

Just a heads up --- You'll have the same issue to deal with around age 2-3, when you convert to a "Big Girl Bed". Your daughter will most likely come out of her bed 100 times with the new noveltly. We ended up having to lock the door (from Dr. Phil and friends advice) the first few days of the new bed. It was REALLY REALLY hard. But within two days, she never came out of her bed again!

I know several people that have to fall asleep with their children at night because they didn't stick 'with it' or their kids take hours to go to bed...whew! How exhausting! Also those children are very cranky and tired because they are not getting enough sleep. My DD is a delight and never cranky because she gets enough sleep becauseI didn't spoil her for the first few times she was trying to get to sleep. Kids are too spoiled these days, and I believe that old fashioned methods are sometimes the best way to go! ::yes::
 
MayMom-My son who is 2 1/2 now has been taking naps since he was about a year old- twice a month in a pack-n-play when I clean a friend's house (btw-a really good way to earn extra $ for kids activities! ;) )

I know that's not everyday but something that has worked soooo well for him no matter where he naps, including vacations or when visiting friends is we always have the same three items:
1)a small fan (which helps make some white noise that drowns out his sisters :p )
2)his bear (this is actually item #1 :goodvibes )
3)the same blanket

*I set these items up in the pack-in-play before I bring him in and sing a song (our ritual :rolleyes1 ) and he knows....its time :rotfl:

By following the same ritual he has done really well. Sometimes he cries when he is in the pack-n-play a little more but not much and he feels like he is at home with his familiar items. The fan has been a key item for us!
 
rchristiansen said:
First let me say (My goodness.... :sad2: )
Just a heads up --- You'll have the same issue to deal with around age 2-3, when you convert to a "Big Girl Bed". Your daughter will most likely come out of her bed 100 times with the new noveltly. We ended up having to lock the door (from Dr. Phil and friends advice) the first few days of the new bed. It was REALLY REALLY hard. But within two days, she never came out of her bed again!
::yes::
Great something to look forward to!! LOL! :rotfl2: :rotfl2:
Can't wait to post advice for locking my doors to the bedroom! :rotfl: :rotfl:
Thanks though! Your post made alot of sense! If I start putting her in a Pack and Play at home she'll expect to take her nap there every day. And she has just begun taking good naps without her "baba."

txgirl - I hadn't tjought of a fan, but that is an excellent suggestion. Especially when I have a wild 5 year old running through the house! :sad2:
 
rchristiansen said:
I know several people that have to fall asleep with their children at night because they didn't stick 'with it' or their kids take hours to go to bed...whew! How exhausting! Also those children are very cranky and tired because they are not getting enough sleep. My DD is a delight and never cranky because she gets enough sleep becauseI didn't spoil her for the first few times she was trying to get to sleep. Kids are too spoiled these days, and I believe that old fashioned methods are sometimes the best way to go! ::yes::

You are describing my sister's child. She is whiny, easily bursts into tears when she's not getting what she wants, must be the center of attention at all times,throws regular tantrums and cannot sleep anywhere without her mother being in physical contact with her--and i mean, this child is sleeping ON TOP of her mother, literally, and stroking her. My neice s 7YO!! She is one of the most high maintenance kids I have ever seen. She AND HER MOTHER refer to their room, their bed and "Daddy's room"--Dsis and her DH have not really shared a bed in many years, because Dneice "needs" her mother. :rolleyes2 Their relationship is almost a little creepy & sensual, like Dsis has replaced the normal affection she would give her DH with affection for her daughter. :crazy2:

I just got back from an exhausting vacation with her. Kick me if I ever do it again! :eek: She ate only pop-tarts, one ear of corn, one PBJ, and french fries the whole time we were on vacation( in the Outer Banks! I nearly had to throw a tantrum myself to get some fresh seafood!) However, my sister "rewards" her constantly with candy, juice, milk, sweet tea and soda--you should see this kid's teeth. :sad2: My autistic 10yo wasn't nearly as difficult(and I know difficult, believe me!) At least he eats what you give him, sleeps where you tell him too, and doesn't act out when he's told NO. Bcause we started at an early age (~1yr)regulating him, he can now regulate himself to a great degree.

I'm sorry, but I can't see where AP has been helpful with my neice. I think it has ruined her. I know that most AP families are not like this and they have perfectly nice kids(I know a lot of them) but my Dsis has let her situation get out of hand. Her daughter is completely running the show and Dsis doesn't know how to stop it without "breakingher heart into a million pieces." :rolleyes2 Makes me want to smack my sister.

Cathy--mom to three nice, easy-going, well-regulated CIO kids
 
[I'm sorry, but I can't see where AP has been helpful with my neice. I think it has ruined her. I know that most AP families are not like this and they have perfectly nice kids(I know a lot of them) but my Dsis has let her situation get out of hand. Her daughter is completely running the show and Dsis doesn't know how to stop it without "breakingher heart into a million pieces." :rolleyes2 Makes me want to smack my sister.

Cathy--mom to three nice, easy-going, well-regulated CIO kids[/QUOTE]


You sister is not doing AP. That is permissive parenting...big difference! AP is not "the kids do whatever they want". AP is more respecting your child as a person and treating them as you would want to be treated, modeling the behavior you want them to practice; always keeping in mind what is developmentally appropriate at each age. I am quite strict, my kids are well mannered, and sleep all night in their rooms. I was not a big family bed person after about 6 months of age, and I never used cio. AP does not=permissive.
 











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