Could the reopening be pushed back?

Going back to the question asked in the topic of the thread, I can't see them pushing back reopening now. Too many wheels in motion. They might further restrict guests somehow but I am fairly certain they will reopen. Universal has been open a month.
 
Another mask thread lol. No masks for us. We are not falling for the hysteria. It has gotten to the level of ridiculous. At the current standards people will be masked for the rest of our lives, the flu, other colds, on and on. I hope everyone looks at death rates, which are very, very low. Infection rates are irrelevant. Since it was virtually impossible to get a test in March, April, and even May, we really have no idea what the infection rates were then. I suspect they were even higher than today. But as the virus spreads it gets less lethal, so spread is good. Immunology 101. You guys really need to seek out other information besides the standard doomsday line. Hospitalizations for Covid are low now too. Be careful, even hospital executives are reporting that the media is manipulating information. Hospitals seem full right now because they operate at that level normally. Here’s an article about it:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...erstanding-about-hospital-capacity-in-houston
 
But as the virus spreads it gets less lethal, so spread is good. Immunology 101.

A virus does not get less lethal from spread. The only way this would happen is through mutation, better treatments, or acquired immunity by the host species.

Now the research and numbers may be corrected but thats because of limited or bad data to start. You may also have a different subset of infected individuals that impact or skew the data. (which is the case in your article)

So in summary; no a virus spreading more does not make it less lethal.

All you are doing by not wearing a mask is more easily spreading the virus far and wide to possibly a more susceptible population.
 
not falling for the hysteria

I want to add you are directly doing that except with the complete opposite view of some. You are equating a more lethal strain of Coronavirus to the common cold or the flu (which we immunize against the most lethal strains yearly).

It is the equivalent fear mongering as someone stating everyone will die from Covid19 which is also not the case.

No the common cold will not result in wide scale mask requirements. To say so is foolish as there is zero data to support your hypothesis.
 

Another mask thread lol. No masks for us. We are not falling for the hysteria. It has gotten to the level of ridiculous. At the current standards people will be masked for the rest of our lives, the flu, other colds, on and on. I hope everyone looks at death rates, which are very, very low. Infection rates are irrelevant. Since it was virtually impossible to get a test in March, April, and even May, we really have no idea what the infection rates were then. I suspect they were even higher than today. But as the virus spreads it gets less lethal, so spread is good. Immunology 101. You guys really need to seek out other information besides the standard doomsday line. Hospitalizations for Covid are low now too. Be careful, even hospital executives are reporting that the media is manipulating information. Hospitals seem full right now because they operate at that level normally. Here’s an article about it:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...erstanding-about-hospital-capacity-in-houston

I think it's great the opinion piece you included is trying to help people remain calm and do the right things to keep the spread down. The piece you included states:
"The Houston hospital executives
[who are the ones whose opinions you are posting about] expressed concern about rising case numbers and urged people to wear masks and practice social distancing"....

Also for anyone from Texas, here is a recent article from AP news (neutral news site): https://apnews.com/40316edb9f83ba5646fbde2af715517d

And here is the COVID19 Act Now dashboard: https://covidactnow.org/us/tx?s=61890
 
Not to hijack the thread, but...

I personally think Disney will not delay any further. If things get out of hand they may close back down again, but I very highly doubt they'll delay the reopening.
 
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Gov of Florida and mayor of Miami (which is being hit hard right now) just finished their news conference.

Many interesting points but one takeaway regarding hospitals:

40% of new Covid hospitalizations the last couple of weeks in Miami are from asymptomatic people.

People are coming in for other injuries, they are tested, and they test positive. Even though they have NO symptoms at all they still must be moved to the Covid
section of the hospital and treated like the rest of the Covid patients.
 
Yes, I live in one of those border counties (Cameron). We got an emergency alert on our cell phones, the kind I've only gotten for Amber alerts and the like, letting us know that our hospitals were at capacity.

On April 3 we got one of those on our cell phones - I took a screenshot, but basically it read: "Attention all health care workers: New York City is seeking licensed healthcare workers to support healthcare facilities in need. Visit ...... to volunteer."

You know that expression "blood running cold"? For me, it was the first time since 9/11.

People are coming in for other injuries, they are tested, and they test positive. Even though they have NO symptoms at all they still must be moved to the Covid
section of the hospital and treated like the rest of the Covid patients.

They need to be kept with the Covid patients, because they can't risk it spreading within the hospital, which has happened here. Even after hospitals here opened up for elective surgeries, their screening protocol has caught still more patients testing positive. Also - people infected with Covid can go downhill very, very fast. DH is a healthcare professional who was exposed to an asymptomatic patient in early March - the only reason he knew about it was because 48 hours after he saw the patient, the patient was admitted to the hospital with the full on covid symptoms.

Getting fully back on topic: I am concerned for the CMs. If more than a few CMs are getting infected and sick, whether at WDW or out in their communities, I could see WDW closing down again. Or if guests start behaving badly or unsafely toward the CMs.
 
Gov of Florida and mayor of Miami (which is being hit hard right now) just finished their news conference.

Many interesting points but one takeaway regarding hospitals:

40% of new Covid hospitalizations the last couple of weeks in Miami are from asymptomatic people.

People are coming in for other injuries, they are tested, and they test positive. Even though they have NO symptoms at all they still must be moved to the Covid
section of the hospital and treated like the rest of the Covid patients.
Do you have a link? I just tried searching for that stat in various ways and can't find it. Thanks!
 
I believe around 27 minute mark they start talking about it.

Thank you!! I wanted to point out, he doesn't say the 30-40% with COVID in the hospital are asymptomatic. He says they came in for something else. They very well could have symptoms but not severe enough to go to the hospital (possibly "yet") OR didn't want to go/couldn't afford to go to the hospital but were forced to due to an emergency like a broken leg as he stated.
 
Thank you!! I wanted to point out, he doesn't say the 30-40% with COVID in the hospital are asymptomatic. He says they came in for something else. They very well could have symptoms but not severe enough to go to the hospital (possibly "yet") OR didn't want to go/couldn't afford to go to the hospital but were forced to due to an emergency like a broken leg as he stated.
Yes, hopefully they'll clarify.

I wonder about this scenario: person shows up to hospital with broken arm or needing stitches and although asymptomatic, tests positive for coronavirus. Most are discharged same day but are they included in that 30-40% number? They were 'in' the hospital.

More clear would be saying 'what percent of Covid beds are being taken up by asymptomatic patients (as in never had symptoms in the hospital setting) every day.' Those numbers are not necessarily the same as the vague statement 'asymptomatic in the hospital.'
 
A virus does not get less lethal from spread. The only way this would happen is through mutation, better treatments, or acquired immunity by the host species.

Now the research and numbers may be corrected but thats because of limited or bad data to start. You may also have a different subset of infected individuals that impact or skew the data. (which is the case in your article)

So in summary; no a virus spreading more does not make it less lethal.

All you are doing by not wearing a mask is more easily spreading the virus far and wide to possibly a more susceptible population.
I think it's great the opinion piece you included is trying to help people remain calm and do the right things to keep the spread down. The piece you included states:
"The Houston hospital executives
[who are the ones whose opinions you are posting about] expressed concern about rising case numbers and urged people to wear masks and practice social distancing"....

Also for anyone from Texas, here is a recent article from AP news (neutral news site): https://apnews.com/40316edb9f83ba5646fbde2af715517d

And here is the COVID19 Act Now dashboard: https://covidactnow.org/us/tx?s=61890

Anyway, people need to start trusting their own analytical abilities. Yesterday, we had a director of the CDC state that the dramatically falling death rate did not matter, that it was a “false narrative,” whatever that means. Of course, the death rate matters. It matter more than anything that at this point very few people are dying from Covid. It is actually the rate of infection that does not matter, partly because we really do not know what it was before we started mass testing. Death rate is the key. Death numbers are the key. And yet many people get their brains to do mental gymnastics to accept and justify the CDC director’s statement. My point is simply start analyzing, don’t just parrot, and trust your ability to see things right in front of your face.

To get back to the original question, no, Disney will not push back their start date unless forced to do so by local authorities because Disney knows that the threat from the virus is minimal and comparable to other threats we all face everyday. They will toot the mask horn, as most others in power will, for liability reasons, because today the CDC is mask, mask, mask, which is... surreal.
Here is a great video for anyone interested in getting other perspectives and looking into the topic:

https://www.hoover.org/research/doc...cacy-lockdowns-social-distancing-and-closings
 
Anyway, people need to start trusting their own analytical abilities. Yesterday, we had a director of the CDC state that the dramatically falling death rate did not matter, that it was a “false narrative,” whatever that means. Of course, the death rate matters. It matter more than anything that at this point very few people are dying from Covid. It is actually the rate of infection that does not matter, partly because we really do not know what it was before we started mass testing. Death rate is the key. Death numbers are the key. And yet many people get their brains to do mental gymnastics to accept and justify the CDC director’s statement. My point is simply start analyzing, don’t just parrot, and trust your ability to see things right in front of your face.

To get back to the original question, no, Disney will not push back their start date unless forced to do so by local authorities because Disney knows that the threat from the virus is minimal and comparable to other threats we all face everyday. They will toot the mask horn, as most others in power will, for liability reasons, because today the CDC is mask, mask, mask, which is... surreal.
Here is a great video for anyone interested in getting other perspectives and looking into the topic:

https://www.hoover.org/research/doc...cacy-lockdowns-social-distancing-and-closings


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I don’t blame anyone for being skeptical. I’ve been skeptical of a lot of public policy and projections since the beginning and I’ve been much closer to being right then the experts. I don’t go spouting my theories around recommending others to do them though.
 
They will toot the mask horn, as most others in power will, for liability reasons, because today the CDC is mask, mask, mask, which is... surreal.

People incorrectly wearing masks is not a reason to stop using them it's a reason to put out better information on how to use them and which specific masks do a better or worse job protecting you and others. There is a reason masks are leverage and used in medical locations.


Here is another interesting article that relates to why Disney won’t delay opening. Herd immunity is probably a lot farther along than anyone realizes. These doctors are not the first ones to talk about t-cell immunity btw.

https://reason.com/2020/07/01/covid...han-antibody-tests-suggest-say-2-new-studies/

Further along yes, close who knows. Basically this is just calling out a data error where antibodies might not be present.

More importantly this further reduces mortality and long term severity rates.

As for the video you posted couldn't make it 5 mins as it felt like the skewed interviews we see on both sides lately. It really annoys me that the doctor took math of a potential death per $10m to $25m in economic production from economists.

This annoyance was backed up by long term economic dispair examples in Alcoholism and Opioid addiction. These and that math is long term math not short terms from what I have come across. It's equivalent to someone saying because you eat a bunch of bacon for a single breakfast now you cholesterol will be high.
 











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