Considering banning all Carry-on luggage

Limiting them to 15#, OH WONDERFUL!!!!!! Great solution to a lot of problems.
We flew SWA last week and they did allow two carryons per person, in addition to two checked bags.
Thanks, Lewis, you made my day!!!! :) Hope this happens.
 
Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
I am sure the FAA is "considering" many things, however, until it becomes fact, I would not get all worked up. There is NOTHING mentioned of this on the FAA website, or on CBS's website, or NBC's or ABC's. In fact the only thing being mentioned about airtravel is about arming pilots.
Let's not panic folks. :)
As an aside, I am not disputing the original poster's word, just saying that right know it is a consideration, not a rule.

Thank you Gail, for a voice of reason. There are so many rumours flying right now! Until it appears in print on your carriers web site, don't believe it!

Anne
 
Anne,
You are welcome. There is no sense getting worked up over something that will probably never come to pass. We went through all this emotional tizzy stuff when they changed the MKC program to DC. It was truly amazing, not to mention annoying. This is, of course, a far more serious matter and it is probably a very poor analogy, but, getting a severe case of agnst is truly silly. Wait and see is my motto. :)
 

I have children, and it would be a royal pain for me not to bring a carry on of stuff to keep them occupied. However, if the government recommended it for safety reasons, I would certainly accept it.

My idea on how to deal with this is similar to what many retail stores do with their employees. Allow people to bring carry on bags as long as you can see through them. If a mother wants to bring diapers, bottles, etc on a trip, no problem, put them in a clear plastic bag in which anything can be readily seen. Such cases or even clear plastic convenience store bags are not hard to come by. Anything else should be very small and inspected by hand, completely. They should limit those things to very small items. If someone wants to bring breakable items or expensive items on a flight, then they should pay for special handling.

I also agree with getting rid of seat assignments in advance. While this may be a big pain to groups travelling together, many airlines, including low cost carriers, already do this. This way there is protection from the planting of devices on the inside of planes.
 
I am not sure how not assigning seats would prevent planting things. I am also unaware of any airline doing this other than SWA. Who are the others?
Limiting carry ons to 15#, that would be a very rational rule. That way, we who choose to carry laptops, digital cameras, etc. could. And....we would have the added bonus of NOT being clipped in the legs by children whose parents thought those adorable cases on wheels for kids were a wonderful thing, not to mention the adults who forget that they have this thing behind them and take huge turns and trip or hit others.
I feel secure that the airlines will figure out something to do for the children who need to be amused every minute of a flight. Mine were easily amused or occupied with a book to read or a book to read to them, but, that was before Gameboys and the incredible need to avoid discipline and amuse them every second.
As I said before, lets just wait and see what happens and lets not get ourselves into a "tizzy" about something that has not been discussed, except by on FAA agent, and nothing has happened. Working yourselves up about this is only going to cause more agnst. IMHO, that is silly.
 
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Gail,

In addition to SWA, Spirit air does not give seat assignments at all. I thought I heard AirTran does it as well.
 
I could get away with just a few books (I need one too!), my camera, medication and a wallet if need be. But I would still need something to put this stuff in.

Thanks for the reminder that we shouldn't panic before anything actually happens. The weight limit on carry ons is a great idea IMO.
 
I wouldn't have a problem with the ticket agent asking what general area you want to be seated in, and then assigning those seats for your party, but you don't find out what ones you are actually in until you arrive. That would be an effective compromise. It would still add the element of not knowing that you were in seat "x" in advance, but you would still know that your party was seated together in the general area you want to be in, and that you still have a window or aisle seat. In my case, if I requested to be in a row within 5 rows of the center of the plane emergency exit(s), in an aisle seat, it would give them 20 potential seats to put me in. That's pretty good odds in the favor of safety IMHO.

Anne
 
Gail--The thinking is advance seat assignments allow acomplises to put weapons in the seat pockets. With all the schedule changes going on advance seat assignments are probably of less value.
I've heard SW may be required to assign seats (probably when you check in at the gate) so they can link the passenger name with the seat (in case of disaster). Right now there is no way of determing which seat a passenger is occupying.
 
I do believe that there is a difference between a "tizzy" and a healthy discussion. If you look at the original post it said "Perhaps I'm not seeing both sides of this but I was just curious what others thought." This is asking for opinions -- from both sides.

I have since spoken to some FAA officials who said that a lot of things are being discussed and it is always possible that they could become the rule. So, obviously, this has been discussed by more than one agent. It is in a group of things being discussed and in the future, possibly recommended. I have found, in our country's history, that often things become the "rule" when there seems to be no apparent objection to them. While I understand the need to wait and see what happens, I also understand the need to let those, we have elected, know how we feel on issues, even ones like these. That is the American Way. This forum allows us to bring those issues to others attention. It also allows us to be able to try to see the other side of things. That is good. It helps us as we process all this information. So I don't think anyone is getting worked up into a "tizzy". Perhaps I am wrong but as I read this thread I think we are simply voicing opinions and having a healthy electronic discussion. Discussing the what ifs and alternatives. A lot of good ideas are presented on this forum. That is wonderful. And while we may not agree with all of them, they are legitimate because they belong to unique individuals. And we are able to discuss them in a civil manner. That in itself, is an accomplishment.

As far as entertaining kids on planes. I flew regularly for 15 years without a child. During that time I saw many things concerning kids -- good and bad. I have been flying at least once a month with my son since he was 6 months old. My goal, always, is to bring things that will help me entertain my son so he doesn't bother other passengers. I have been thanked many times by both passengers and flight attendants. My son is easily entertained, by himself, at home. He loves to read. But there are few kids who will read and color for 5 hours. Discipline has nothing to do with it. A lot has to do with ther personality of the child and many other factors. Distraction and keeping him busy work much better, in my opinion, on an airplane. I have seen both and chose to do the later. Fellow passengers, at least from what they tell me, find it refreshing that he can do a variety of things, in his seat, and not bother anyone. At age 3 I am thrilled with this. That is my goal. Parenting is a very personal thing and people quickly take offense at broad statements that put everyone in a single category. Like I said before, it is important that all of us try to understand different views.

Back to the issue of carry ons. I really like the 15# rule. On a flight I took in August one passenger brought on an oversize backpack. The kind where you put the sleeping bag in the top. It took up a whole bin. No one said anything. They let him stow it above. I believe, in the discussion about carry ons, common sense will prevail -- at least I'm hoping. At times I think, if the airlines would strictly enforce the carry on rules that they have right now, many of the problems would be eliminated. We only bring on one carry on per person. And it always fits under the seat in front of us.

I think we can find a happy compromise between no carryons and large carryons. Safety is the issue. And if this is a good thing for airlines to eliminate all carry ons then I would assume we would also need to do the same for all forms of public transportation. Doesn't make much sense when you look at it that way.

But I enjoy this type of discussion. I'm glad to see that others feel the way I feel and it is also educational to look at the views of those who disagree.
 
Pan Am annonced yesterday or today that they have banned carry-on luggage on their flights.

Pan Am has a limited number of flights and airports serviced but this is major nontheless.

They say you can carry a wallet or purse and a baby bag if you have kids.

It was said that Pan Am was leading this movement with more airlines expected to do something similar.

I do not check my cameras. I would not check them even on Pan Am when I can watch the luggage being placed on the plane.

I could live with a complete carry-on search but that would be logistically impossible.

Ted
 
if they only allow a "purse", who is going to make the decision on what constitutes a purse? I have a female relative (who shall remain anonymous for obvious reasons) who's "purse" would easily weigh in at 10 lbs, if not more! I think it'd be easier to go with a flat out poundage limit, no matter what the "container".
Terri the Yoopermom
(whose purse only weighs four pounds, as weighed at a wedding shower last weekend...)
 
Lewis,
They are still checking the aircraft before leaving the airport, right? So, the discussion about seating assignments is somewhat moot, right?
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
 
Gail,

I don't understand your comment to Lewis. Apparently, they are not checking the aircraft before leaving the airport, that's the problem. To check each seat, top to bottom, underneath and in front, would take as much or more work as going through everyone's carry on. Then there is also the problem of the people with access to the plane (caterers, cleaning people etc) who are not necessarily checked before they get their job. Since the found box cutters, etc, stashed (apparently) on planes after Sept 11 (apparently put there sometime before) they believe these things may have been left for the intended passenger in that seat. Hypothetically, if my accomplice expects me to be in seat 11C, and, in fact, I am in 20D, it may be harder for me to get to my contraband.
 
dcedwards,
A healthy discussion is always great, however, in some instances this has become, IMHO, almost militant. Nothing you have said, however, was addressed in my last post, nor was it in any way pointed at you.
I think you have done a wonderful thing by writing and letting your opinions be known. Many would rather gripe than write and perhaps accomplish something. In essence, I do agree with your opinions, not because I have children of a young age, but, because there are things I carry aboard to keep me occupied. IE: a book. If this is enacted it will "hit" us all in a different way.
Parenting is, indeed, a personal thing, however, it appears that it is becoming a very lost art.
I do think you are one of the rare ones in that you care that you are not disturbing others.
Unfortunately, that is not always the case. Too many who are completely oblivious of what their child/ren does/do and what disturbances they cause. I see a lot, as do a lot of us.
 
JandD Mom
According to the new FAA regs. they are checking each and every plane before it leaves the ground for bombs and other "no no's". I do know that SWA closed the door for a good 15-20 mins before boarding to check on our return flight.
It is also my understanding that all personal getting near an aircraft have been checked out.
I am sure they found stuff stashed before 9/11/01, however, they(airlines) had to go over each and every plane before it was allowed to fly again. To have found items is not a surprise.
The faa website has some great stuff on it.
 
I am happy they are checking the planes before they allow boarding. But who exactly is doing the check? Police? Pilots? Flight attendants? The same airport workers who never had a criminal history background check?

Why not have a check, AND assign seats only at airport check in? They used to do it that way, in the dark ages.:D

Thanks Gail for the tip on the FAA web site. I will have to take a look.
 














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