Conservative Thread: We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once

[Amy&Dan]

SorcererDonald16:: I am praying for you. Just hang in there and know that we are all here for you.

Mr. Man: I am so sorry about your friends. What a tragedy. My mother lost a baby at 20 weeks, it tore her up for 35 years. When she died in January I thought, well my little brother that was never born gets to be with his mommy now. Prayers to you and your wife as you help your friends through these difficult days ahead. And prayers to your friends too of course.

 

[Family Fun Mom]

Hoping for the best outcome. You are in our thoughts and prayers.

I know this is hard to deal with at any time, yet even moreso around the holidays. Remember, you get to be there for them in their time of need. Time is a gift from G_d. Use it.


In a good hearted kind of "share the misery" way......

We have very close family friends who have been trying for years to have a child of their own (they have 2 adopted children). They finally were successful through in-vitro fertilization this year. They were due to have twins in March 09. Unfortunately, they lost the babies last night due to complications.

Nathan and Noelle.

The funeral is on Monday. We helped pick out the caskets today. I could carry one in each arm if I needed to. We are simply bereft........(and they do not make an emoticon for this feeling).

Following these wonderful people through all the challenges and pitfalls they have gone through in fruitless efforts to have children

simply sets. me. on. FIRE!!

When I think of all the people who could have had children......yet chose to terminate their pregnancy.

I realize it is an emotional response. Yet, I would feel less than human if I did not think this way.

It is a casually cruel and unthinking world we live in.....and I wanted to let somebody know that we lost two wonderful people with boundless potential yesterday.....

Sorry for steering the thread negative, but it felt good to say this out loud.

I am so sorry for your friends.

I know exactly how you feel. Just yesterday a friend of mine (one of my favorite conservatives) sent out an e-mail asking for prayers. He and his wife have been trying to have a baby for their entire marriage, about 10 years, I think. They have suffered through many miscarriages and their son was born still last year. Yet their faith remains strong and they are still sweet, loving people. They are now trying IVF and she was implanted (is that the right word?) yesterday.

When I think of them, my heart breaks. They would be such amazing parents. I pray with all of my might that they have success this time.

I am thinking the same thoughts about innocent babies being destroyed... for what? Why? It makes me feel ill.

 

[wonderlanne]

Wow! That's a long commute.

it is heinous. but since nobody is bailing me outta anything, i hafta do it.

 

[mfd25wife]

hi...i'm here. but i'm leaving to go home from work. which will take 2.5 hours.

This makes me really happy I only live 10 minutes from work. Funny, I can't tell you in distance how far I am from anything. I know in time. Work-10 minutes, church-10 minutes, WDW-16 hrs , Jackson MS-4.5hrs.

Hi all. Will respond to some posts later, but wanted to give an update on what's going on here.

Thanks for all of the prayers. She continues to need them. And I do too because I feel like I'm going to have a meltdown before this is all said and done. In short, they have to do two biopsies in two weeks. They found something else they want tested besides the first thing. Probably won't know the answers until after Christmas.

I just don't know what to do. I guess praying is all I can do, but I cannot remember being so scared before in my life. She's fairly calm, but I'm wigging out. I did not get the "Calm in an emergency" gene.

Please pray hard. Thank you.

Prayers being said.

Hoping for the best outcome. You are in our thoughts and prayers.

I know this is hard to deal with at any time, yet even moreso around the holidays. Remember, you get to be there for them in their time of need. Time is a gift from G_d. Use it.


In a good hearted kind of "share the misery" way......

We have very close family friends who have been trying for years to have a child of their own (they have 2 adopted children). They finally were successful through in-vitro fertilization this year. They were due to have twins in March 09. Unfortunately, they lost the babies last night due to complications.

Nathan and Noelle.

The funeral is on Monday. We helped pick out the caskets today. I could carry one in each arm if I needed to. We are simply bereft........(and they do not make an emoticon for this feeling).

Following these wonderful people through all the challenges and pitfalls they have gone through in fruitless efforts to have children

simply sets. me. on. FIRE!!

When I think of all the people who could have had children......yet chose to terminate their pregnancy.

I realize it is an emotional response. Yet, I would feel less than human if I did not think this way.

It is a casually cruel and unthinking world we live in.....and I wanted to let somebody know that we lost two wonderful people with boundless potential yesterday.....

Sorry for steering the thread negative, but it felt good to say this out loud.

That is so sad. I've had friends that lost one at 37 wks, I've had friends that lost a child recently, 3 of my wish kids from Make A Wish passed away two years ago and another this year. It always seems so unfair to me. And so sad that others are very nonchalant (spell?) about choosing to end lives.

Mr. Man,..........my heartfelt prayers go out to you and your friends. I gave birth, a long time ago, to a stillborn daughter. It's an ache that is with you for a lifetime. This is a big part of why I am soooo pro-life. I am so sorry loss of two such loved and sweet babies.

I'm so sorry you experienced this heartache.

No, not alone. I lost a child at 10 wks pregnant, and I had a half-brother who was stillborn.
I've had friends who have lost children right after birth, as well.

I do believe I am the only person that gets on here and reads the last page first and then go backwards. I may jump back a few pages but I always start at the end. Weird, but I do it anytime I get on here after not being here for a day or more.

 

[studentmom]

Mr Man- I am so sorry. My heart breaks for you and for that family. I can't imagine the pain that they are going through.

SD- Will say prayers for you, too. Remember- One day at a time.

Transparent- Hey there!

 

[sturdypeasantstock]

Two friends had miscarriages last year. Absolutely heartbreaking. Your families are in my thoughts and prayers.

 

[Tink & Goofy]

I do believe I am the only person that gets on here and reads the last page first and then go backwards. I may jump back a few pages but I always start at the end. Weird, but I do it anytime I get on here after not being here for a day or more.

Probably, you weirdo.
I start from my last post and read forward from there. That way I try not to miss anything.

 

[Saxsoon]

Your not alone, I do it as well, looking at the last page that is.

 

[#1hockeymom]

Yes, they are. I have two friends who lost babies during labor/delivery. I will never (please God) know how they feel, but I do know just how you feel. It's such a gut wrenching, helpless feeling to see someone you love in such pain. Bless you for being there for them.

How completely heartwrenching. My thoughts and prayers are with your friends Mr. Mann (and you too!).

Hugs and prayers to your friends, Mr. Man. You need them too. The last two posts I quoted put my thoughts into words the better than I can.

Your not alone, I do it as well, looking at the last page that is.

Me three!

 

[Charade]

Boy, those "hot" threads are dropping like flies.

 

[Mr Man]

Boy, those "hot" threads are dropping like flies.

When asked to comment about the locked threads, Rahm Emanuel had no reply........

 

[Charade]

When asked to comment about the locked threads, Rahm Emanuel had no reply........

 

[Mr Man]

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[mkingdomlvr]

Thank you ever so much for that recipe!

I made a batch for dessert, and they were a big hit with the family. I let the kids decorate them, and they had so much fun!

So glad you enjoyed them-aren't they easy? Last night was pumpkin bread night-the house smelled SOOO good.

Mr Man-I'm praying for you and your friends. DH and I truly understand how you feel about the situation. We were unable to have children, and after much struggle accepted it as God's will for us to be childless. Lots of people recommended in-vitro and adoption-and we prayed a LOT about both those options. We both came away with the message that God had a plan for us and by doing something outside of His plan we were trying to force His hand. I'm not saying that's true for everyone-it's just where we felt God led us. Because we don't have children, we have more free time to volunteer, more money to donate and we're usually available on short notice if anyone in the Church needs help. I can't tell you how many times we've been called by Pastor to run to someone's house and babysit for little ones, help out an older person when a spouse goes into the hospital...things like that.

It's hard sometimes, but it is the cross God has given us to carry and we believe there is a reason.

 

[Mr Man]

So glad you enjoyed them-aren't they easy? Last night was pumpkin bread night-the house smelled SOOO good.

Mr Man-I'm praying for you and your friends. DH and I truly understand how you feel about the situation. We were unable to have children, and after much struggle accepted it as God's will for us to be childless. Lots of people recommended in-vitro and adoption-and we prayed a LOT about both those options. We both came away with the message that God had a plan for us and by doing something outside of His plan we were trying to force His hand. I'm not saying that's true for everyone-it's just where we felt God led us. Because we don't have children, we have more free time to volunteer, more money to donate and we're usually available on short notice if anyone in the Church needs help. I can't tell you how many times we've been called by Pastor to run to someone's house and babysit for little ones, help out an older person when a spouse goes into the hospital...things like that.

It's hard sometimes, but it is the cross God has given us to carry and we believe there is a reason.

Thanks for the kinds words.

I am glad you have found peace. It will take time, but I am certain our friends will find it also. Talked with them briefly this morning.....they sounded ok.

Mmm.....punkin bread.....love it.

My personal favorite treat around the holidays is peanut brittle.....and I don't know why.......

 

[mkingdomlvr]

Thanks for the kinds words.

I am glad you have found peace. It will take time, but I am certain our friends will find it also. Talked with them briefly this morning.....they sounded ok.

Mmm.....punkin bread.....love it.

My personal favorite treat around the holidays is peanut brittle.....and I don't know why.......

I'm sure the pain will never completely go away for them, but their faith and the help of those around them will help.

One of my friends from church makes all types of candy for Christmas instead of baking-and she does peanut brittle!

 

[MeghansMommy]

Me three!

I'm too anal retentive to read backwards. Must.read.things.in.order.

Boy, those "hot" threads are dropping like flies.

Oooh - was it the "Barry" thread? I couldn't believe the bully mentality in that thread last night.

C: picture/thousand words.exe

PRICELESS!!

So much to do today, no time at all to do it. I was so engrossed with the CB last night that I didn't get what I needed to get done (darn CB), must get it done today. Have a great day everyone!

 

[Tink & Goofy]

I have looked into donating eggs for childless couples...I have a couple hundred thousand that will just go to waste so someone might as well use them.
(I've also offered to surrogate for my DSIL with PCOS if she needs it.)

Anyway, DH and I were talking about this yesterday and he asked me if there were any spiritual implications in doing so. He said they'd essentially be my kids running around out there. Anyone have any opinions?
I said that I didn't think God would mind too much as I'm not going to use them and right now, they're unfertilized eggs so they're not children. I also said they used surrogates (handmaids) in the Bible.
I also should tell him that when someone adopts the child becomes the child of adopted parents. So if a couple uses my eggs that will be their child.
I don't want to do anything that's going to go against what the Bible or God might think of this.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

I have looked into donating eggs for childless couples...I have a couple hundred thousand that will just go to waste so someone might as well use them.
(I've also offered to surrogate for my DSIL with PCOS if she needs it.)

Anyway, DH and I were talking about this yesterday and he asked me if there were any spiritual implications in doing so. He said they'd essentially be my kids running around out there. Anyone have any opinions?
I said that I didn't think God would mind too much as I'm not going to use them and right now, they're unfertilized eggs so they're not children. I also said they used surrogates (handmaids) in the Bible.
I also should tell him that when someone adopts the child becomes the child of adopted parents. So if a couple uses my eggs that will be their child.

I thought of that too-but DH put a stop to that pretty quick. His concern was that we wouldn't be able to control where that baby ended up. We wouldn't be able to be sure that the child would be raised by good, God fearing people and even though the egg wouldn't be a baby yet-we still have a responsibility to God regarding what happens to it. After I thought about it a bit, I knew he was right. All kinds of people go to those egg banks, and once you donate you have no control.

We also went back to our original message that God had put us in this situation for a reason, and to use science to circumvent it in anyway would be a sign that we didn't trust His plan-even if the baby didn't end up with us.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

I have looked into donating eggs for childless couples...I have a couple hundred thousand that will just go to waste so someone might as well use them.
(I've also offered to surrogate for my DSIL with PCOS if she needs it.)

Anyway, DH and I were talking about this yesterday and he asked me if there were any spiritual implications in doing so. He said they'd essentially be my kids running around out there. Anyone have any opinions?
I said that I didn't think God would mind too much as I'm not going to use them and right now, they're unfertilized eggs so they're not children. I also said they used surrogates (handmaids) in the Bible.
I also should tell him that when someone adopts the child becomes the child of adopted parents. So if a couple uses my eggs that will be their child.
I don't want to do anything that's going to go against what the Bible or God might think of this.

I think it takes a lot of love and courage to offer such a gift. I'm not sure that I could be so selfless.