Conservative Thread: U.S. Steele - Back In Business

[Dolce27]

Now, I'm curious, this "stimulus" bill is supposed to create new jobs. I'm assuming that means for the landscaping they are going to hire new people rather than established firms? What happens when the project is finished and there isn't more work? This goes for any of the infrastucture projects as well. I guess I'm not getting how hiring people for a one time job is going to create lasting prosperity. What am I not seeing?

I also wonder how our economy and working public will fare when our tax rate increases to help pay for this bill. How much will investing and spending be curtailed when this bill comes home to roost? How will inflation and the value of the dollar be affected? I'm afraid we are sacrificing our future for some imemediate unnecessary projects. GWB took hits for years because of the deficit he was piling on our children and grandchildren. How is this better? If we are really that concerned about our children's welfare, is it prudent to rush to pass a pork laden bill all in the name of "stimulus?"

Sorry to ramble. These are just some things that have been on my mind and this post reminded me of my utter confusion.


Rachel

That's what everyone is ignoring. These are short term projects. There will have to, once again, be lay-offs upon job completion. We're putting this country into even more debt then it currently is for short term work that will leave people without a job, again, in another year or two. I doubt under the current conditions, money inflation, the increases in taxes that will begin hitting soon to pay for all of this, the private sector will begin hiring again for long term jobs for people. We need the private sector and that's what our current government wants to kill. It's just messed-up.

I guess my city isn't getting any money from the stimulus. Some projects that I expected to be on there, weren't unless they're not listed under Seattle. I expected the "floating" bridge to be redone and I don't recall seeing the Alaska Way Viaduct on there, but I might have missed it.

As I noted on here last night, my area is getting a ton of -while nice- things, pointless and unneeded things for our current financial condition. Our government is worse, and even Bush was bad … he may have been a Republican but he darn well wasn’t a fiscal Conservative and allowing Pelosi to have a lot of say the past two years was beyond stupid on his part …but our government is acting just like the millions of irresponsible Americans that take out credit cards, max them out, and then spend the next 10 – 20 years attempting to get out of debt but it never happens as interest is killing any potential progress.

Oh, and Honu, I think that you missed a previous post to you: I finally get the whole Unicorn and purple font thing. I peeked at your Unicorn Club thread last week-end. I was a Sweet Valley Twins fan from 4th grade – 7th grade. I wanted to be just like Elizabeth.

 

[Amy&Dan]

Morning all. Debating about responding to the Palin thread. But then I think why bother? I'd have about as much luck convincing some of my fellow disboarders that this Palin tax thing is nothing like Geitner and Daschle as I'd be able to convince Ashley Judd to go hunting with Sarah Palin.

Watched the View for 2 minutes this morning while folding laundry. Joy Behar is so extremely annoying. I often disagree with Whoopi but she manages to somehow at least get me to listen to her point of view without wanting to beat her bloody. Joy on the other hand is somebody who I'd really enjoy slapping. That look on her face when she talks about anything or anybody she doesn't like and agree with is so unattractive. So I had to turn it off and watch Paula Deehn.

 

[honugirl]

I'm sure it's not a complete list yet.

Probably not, we're probably going to end up with money for that stupid Terraquarium that the dang libs want to build. I'm not even sure what a Terraquarium is, but it really doesn't sound like a good idea right now.

And I hope you get what you asked for!!!

Thanks!

That's what everyone is ignoring. These are short term projects. There will have to, once again, be lay-offs upon job completion. We're putting this country into even more debt then it currently is for short term work that will leave people without a job, again, in another year or two. I doubt under the current conditions, money inflation, the increases in taxes that will begin hitting soon to pay for all of this, the private sector will begin hiring again for long term jobs for people. We need the private sector and that's what our current government wants to kill. It's just messed-up.

I totally agree on this!



As I noted on here last night, my area is getting a ton of -while nice- things, pointless and unneeded things for our current financial condition. Our government is worse, and even Bush was bad … he may have been a Republican but he darn well wasn’t a fiscal Conservative and allowing Pelosi to have a lot of say the past two years was beyond stupid on his part …but our government is acting just like the millions of irresponsible Americans that take out credit cards, max them out, and then spend the next 10 – 20 years attempting to get out of debt but it never happens as interest is killing any potential progress.

Most of the crap in my state is pointless crap that's going to hire like 140 people for short term projects. How does that help?

Oh, and Honu, I think that you missed a previous post to you: I finally get the whole Unicorn and purple font thing. I peeked at your Unicorn Club thread last week-end. I was a Sweet Valley Twins fan from 4th grade – 7th grade. I wanted to be just like Elizabeth.

Yup! You got it! You should come over and join us over there. It's a lot of fun and a lot of fluff. Everybody is welcome. You just have to like cake, parties, and hot guys!

 

[wonderlanne]

Aww, poor baby kittie. My almost 16yo kittie has a mass on his right side, but the vet couldn't tell from the xray whether it was in his intestines or not. I'm thinking not, because he eats as well as ever, and was diagnosed about six months ago or so. We opted for no treatment due to his age, and he doesn't seem uncomfortable at all. If he gets worse or seems to be suffering, we'll decide what to do at that time. What the vet did say though was that tumors in cats are very unpredictable, unlike in dogs, and that cats can live for quite some time without any problems or symptoms, so we'll see.

the neurospecialist first thought she had a meningioma, which moves very slowly. the additional imaging showed more tumors, which is typical of lymphoma and which is extremely fast moving...no kidding there was one more debilitating symptom every two days and only an mri can show the actual tumors properly, so it took several days to get it right. i hope your kitty does well...they never actually come to tell us that something might be wrong, they're just their usual sweet wonderful selves.

scratch behind the ears for your sweet little guy.

thank you SD and everybody for the kind thoughts and prayers.

 

[Soarin08]

Well guys, I'm off to work. See everyone later!!

Oh, and if you're my friend on Facebook, I spent all day at Epcot yesterday doing nothing but taking pictures. So I have over 100 FW/WS pictures on there (and a few of them that I took..... well, you'll know which ones I'm referring to if you look ).

 

[wonderlanne]

I guess my city isn't getting any money from the stimulus. Some projects that I expected to be on there, weren't unless they're not listed under Seattle. I expected the "floating" bridge to be redone and I don't recall seeing the Alaska Way Viaduct on there, but I might have missed it.

my city seems to be getting a lot of stuff. bike paths and trails especially, 'cause riding a bike is gonna stimulate the economy. especially the ones along the irrigation canals...boy howdy, i can't wait to walk along those 'cause they're such beautiful concrete abysses filled with gushing water. considering they've always tried to keep people away from them, i wonder how they justify now encouraging people to be right next to them. maybe that'll create a need for more paramedics, so it'll create jobs.

 

[Humphrey Bear]

One of the cities near me is getting a new extension of a road in an industrial park so that they can add new space for new factories. This would be really great if the industrial park now didn't have about half of the buildings empty from companies that closed! How about just getting companies to move into them? It would save about 7 million dollars.

 

[onelilspark]

One of the cities near me is getting a new extension of a road in an industrial park so that they can add new space for new factories. This would be really great if the industrial park now didn't have about half of the buildings empty from companies that closed! How about just getting companies to move into them? It would save about 7 million dollars.

Now now...that's logic. Who ever heard of such a thing?

 

[Tink & Goofy]

my city seems to be getting a lot of stuff. bike paths and trails especially, 'cause riding a bike is gonna stimulate the economy. especially the ones along the irrigation canals...boy howdy, i can't wait to walk along those 'cause they're such beautiful concrete abysses filled with gushing water. considering they've always tried to keep people away from them, i wonder how they justify now encouraging people to be right next to them. maybe that'll create a need for more paramedics, so it'll create jobs.

Heh.

One of the cities near me is getting a new extension of a road in an industrial park so that they can add new space for new factories. This would be really great if the industrial park now didn't have about half of the buildings empty from companies that closed! How about just getting companies to move into them? It would save about 7 million dollars.

Again, HB, that's LOGIC. These guys don't operate in logic.

I don't know that I'd call Bush stupid, but letting pelosi run the spending didn't do him any favors. He tried to reach across the aisle to a fault. pelosi, et al, just did him wrong, like blaming the current recession on him. Excuse me? You've been in charge of spending for two friggin' years; unless you're going to tell us you weren't aware because you spent too much time at the dermatologist's getting botox injections.
Like Ann Coulter says, "You give them an olive branch and they just beat you with it."

 

[honugirl]

my city seems to be getting a lot of stuff. bike paths and trails especially, 'cause riding a bike is gonna stimulate the economy. especially the ones along the irrigation canals...boy howdy, i can't wait to walk along those 'cause they're such beautiful concrete abysses filled with gushing water. considering they've always tried to keep people away from them, i wonder how they justify now encouraging people to be right next to them. maybe that'll create a need for more paramedics, so it'll create jobs.

Of course riding bikes is going to stimulate the economy because it'll create jobs for the bike makers. Plus it's part of the "greening" of America. Another plus!

I'm thinking that they are trying to create more paramedics jobs too.

 

[onelilspark]

Of course riding bikes is going to stimulate the economy because it'll create jobs for the bike makers. Plus it's part of the "greening" of America. Another plus!

I'm thinking that they are trying to create more paramedics jobs too.

Which is good, because then you can recruit more hot doctors, right honu?

 

[honugirl]

Which is good, because then you can recruit more hot doctors, right honu?

Exactly! You can never have enough hot doctors!

Which would mean more nurses needed, which in turn means more hospital staff, which means expansion to the hospital, so construction work... I see this really stimulating the economy.

 

[Tink & Goofy]

Exactly! You can never have enough hot doctors!

Which would mean more nurses needed, which in turn means more hospital staff, which means expansion to the hospital, so construction work... I see this really stimulating the economy.

I would love to help stimulate the economy by becoming a nurse but schooling is expensive. I highly doubt LTEC is going to pay for me to go to school and I wouldn't take it anyway...it's not everyone elses' job to put me through school and I won't fulfill his requirements for the money.

 

[TLSnell1981]

"You give them an olive branch and they just beat you with it."

Yep...it's part of their agenda. Look what it got John McCain.

 

[SorcererDonald16]

Still praying for your mom SD. Any updates?

Thanks MM and all for continued prayers.

She got her test results today from a nurse because the doctor didn't bother to show up and went instead to another of his offices. Umm, okay.

Anyway, the doctor (via the nurse) recommended chemo because she's "intermediate risk" according to this test. Said it'd help "a lot", blah blah blah. The testing company, however, and the actual results in their flipping hands say otherwise about the chemo risk and benefits. I guess it's too much to ask for them to go over that part of the report, and to be forced to find the information from the test report on the company's website as we did this afternoon. Can you tell I'm angry and very upset about all this? Basically as I thought all along, she's a guinea pig and I am ticked off.

The company breaks down all of the scores and such, and with the range she is in they say it's a complete guess as to whether to just have pills or chemo and pills. Breastcancer.org says the same thing. They don't know. Research is so new, it can "go either way." It could help cut down the risk by 4-5%, or it could seriously harm her by up to 5%. Because of the range she's in and the risk factors, if she gets chemo she could end up with serious, fatal heart problems and/or leukemia, or just less serious issues. The average benefit of chemo in her range is a negative (negative!) 3%. And yet the doctor says, yup, it's up to you, but go ahead and get it? This is because (here's the guinea pig part) they randomly assign patients with the medium risk result to the trial conditions of pills or chemo and pills. How the heck is a negative 3% benefit helping "a lot"?

She doesn't know what to do, but is leaning against it. They want her to decide by Saturday. Uh, yeah, that's plenty of time to get a second opinion. I hear a quacking noise, and it's not Donald Duck.

 

["Got Disney"]

I would love to help stimulate the economy by becoming a nurse but schooling is expensive. I highly doubt LTEC is going to pay for me to go to school and I wouldn't take it anyway...it's not everyone elses' job to put me through school and I won't fulfill his requirements for the money.

just give it a few years and the GOV will not only pay you a lot of money to go to school but pay you while you are there and feed all of your children and aunts and uncles and siblings and hamster(that is if you have one at the time) and your itty bitty fishy also

Good Grief Charlie Brown the kool aid drinkers are out and throwing there love around for this stimulus and nationalization some of these people need to go on wife swap because there comments are so off the wall.

I have always been a Democrat(fiscally conservative) but not like these bozos. Watching the TV just plan hurts. So that is my rant....

so how the heck are ya all today....

 

[MeghansMommy]

Thanks MM and all for continued prayers.

She got her test results today from a nurse because the doctor didn't bother to show up and went instead to another of his offices. Umm, okay.

Anyway, the doctor (via the nurse) recommended chemo because she's "intermediate risk" according to this test. Said it'd help "a lot", blah blah blah. The testing company, however, and the actual results in their flipping hands say otherwise about the chemo risk and benefits. I guess it's too much to ask for them to go over that part of the report, and to be forced to find the information from the test report on the company's website as we did this afternoon. Can you tell I'm angry and very upset about all this? Basically as I thought all along, she's a guinea pig and I am ticked off.

The company breaks down all of the scores and such, and with the range she is in they say it's a complete guess as to whether to just have pills or chemo and pills. Breastcancer.org says the same thing. They don't know. Research is so new, it can "go either way." It could help cut down the risk by 4-5%, or it could seriously harm her by up to 5%. Because of the range she's in and the risk factors, if she gets chemo she could end up with serious, fatal heart problems and/or leukemia, or just less serious issues. The average benefit of chemo in her range is a negative (negative!) 3%. And yet the doctor says, yup, it's up to you, but go ahead and get it? This is because (here's the guinea pig part) they randomly assign patients with the medium risk result to the trial conditions of pills or chemo and pills. How the heck is a negative 3% benefit helping "a lot"?

She doesn't know what to do, but is leaning against it. They want her to decide by Saturday. Uh, yeah, that's plenty of time to get a second opinion. I hear a quacking noise, and it's not Donald Duck.

I have absolutely no advice for you SD, but I am so sorry you have to go through all of this. I'll say an extra prayer for your mom tonight.

 

[Humphrey Bear]

So we are selling Aerospace systems to Syria, giving money to Syrian charities and now Kerry is Obama's go between for Hamas.

Great.

Kerry Accepts Letter from Hamas for Obama
Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman detours on trip to Israel into stronghold of Hamas terrorists, where he gets a letter for President Obama delivered by U.N. officials.

Sen. John Kerry accepted a letter for President Barack Obama from Hamas leaders on Thursday, FOX News learned.

A U.N. relief agency official could not say what the contents of the letter were but said U.N. officials passed the letter to Kerry on behalf of the European- and U.S.-designated terror group.

Hamas has denied leaving a letter at the gates of the U.N. headquarters in Gaza.

Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, was visiting the Gaza Strip on Thursday, along with Democratic Reps. Brian Baird of Washington and Keith Ellison of Minnesota, Congress' only Muslim representative.

The lawmakers were already on a trip to Israel, and crossed into the area dominated by Hamas, which calls for the destruction of the Jewish state. Kerry had not been expected to meet with Hamas officials.

At a press conference in Sderot, Israel, Kerry, head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said the Obama administration's position on Hamas has not changed from the prior administration. He repeated that stance in Gaza.

"The visit does not indicate any shift whatsoever with respect to Hamas," he said.

While in Gaza, the U.N. Relief Works Agency took Kerry on a tour of homes destroyed in the recent bombing of Hamas targets by Israeli Defense Forces as well as the American School.

Hamas and Israel have been locked in negotiations brokered by Egypt to secure a permanent truce in Gaza. However, the unilateral ceasefire which had been declared by both sides while the negotiations continue looks increasingly unstable as Israeli warplanes have conducted attacks on six suspected weapons-smuggling tunnels in southern Gaza in response to rocket fire.

Kerry is next scheduled to visit Damascus, Syria, and meet with President Bashar Assad. Syrian officials have indicated to FOX News in recent weeks that Syria is ready to act as an interlocutor with Hamas to help secure a permanent ceasefire.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/19/kerry-goes-gaza/

 

[chicagoshannon]

I would love to help stimulate the economy by becoming a nurse but schooling is expensive. I highly doubt LTEC is going to pay for me to go to school and I wouldn't take it anyway...it's not everyone elses' job to put me through school and I won't fulfill his requirements for the money.

Isn't it part of Obama's plan to pay for everyone to go to college? I thought it was.

I was able to watch Glenn today. I thought his head was literally going to explode. He's trying so hard to talk sense into people but unfortunately the only people who are listening agree with him already.

I also listened to a snipit of Rush today. He played something from the Chicago board of trade that happened this morning. The guy that was talking called for a Tea Party in Lake Michigan. Not sure what we could throw in there to get our point across... maybe all the politician from IL.

 

[Tink & Goofy]

So we are selling Aerospace systems to Syria, giving money to Syrian charities and now Kerry is Obama's go between for Hamas.

Great.

Isn't it part of Obama's plan to pay for everyone to go to college? I thought it was.

I was able to watch Glenn today. I thought his head was literally going to explode. He's trying so hard to talk sense into people but unfortunately the only people who are listening agree with him already.

I also listened to a snipit of Rush today. He played something from the Chicago board of trade that happened this morning. The guy that was talking called for a Tea Party in Lake Michigan. Not sure what we could throw in there to get our point across... maybe all the politician from IL.

I say we throw the politicians from DC in there, too.
As for his college payment plan, I heard it was supposed to be a $4,000/year credit but in order to receive it you have to give them 150+ hours of forced "voluntary" community service per year. Um, no. Between school and family, not going to have time for that.