Comparing Walmart with WDW

[disneychrista]

Curbside and online ordering of Christmas presents require actual people so you can claim how “safe” and “responsible” you’re being.

So do you want everything open, so anyone who wants to work can work ? Or do you want everything closed so they don’t get sick? Seems like you are playing both sides right now.

 

[spiders]

So do you want everything open, so anyone who wants to work can work ? Or do you want everything closed so they don’t get sick? Seems like you are playing both sides right now.

I am getting tired of people acting like the things that make it possible to stay home/in your car don’t involve actual people with real lives and real families of their own. It may be safer for someone but that is at the expense of another person assuming the risk.

But at the end of the day, we’re all just wasting our time getting worked up about things that aren’t going to change.

 

[sibesx2]

Unless they are actually essential...then they’re just expendable. If they get sick then they get sick. Oh well.

I work in a big essential store and I have felt expendable from the beginning. Our mask mandate first required only employees to wear a mask but not customers. What does that say? Back in April and May people flocked to the store and our shelves were bare - not just grocery but tv's, arts and crafts, artificial flowers. Now everyone is required to wear a mask but it isn't enforced. People have been killed trying to enforce it in stores. While that could happen at WDW it is unlikely.

When WDW first reopened I would have felt safe because the of the low crowds. I'm not sure I would feel safe now that the crowds are much larger.

 

[C&Jx2]

Anyone can shop at Walmart. Not everyone can afford to go to WDW.

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[Farro]

Do you even know what you are saying any more? Keeping people from getting sick (from COVID) is the whole point of keeping certain business sectors closed or open with modifications.

But you also said you aren't going to get vaccinated when available to you, correct? You are going to wait and see what happens to others?

Wearing masks
Social distancing
Not gathering
Non-essential travel
Closing of non-essential businesses

It's what we are all sacrificing to curb the spread and lower the deaths. Getting a vaccine should also be on your list. Otherwise I'm not sure you have any stones to cast.

As for what's safer? Nothing, but it makes people feel better to say it. Although I'm sure Disney is more strict with enforcement, at least from what I've read.

 

[cjlong88]

Your risk for contracting the virus simply boils down to your exposure to other humans combined with their compliance with social distancing and mask wearing. The more people you come into contact with for extended periods of time, the higher the risk. More people you are exposed to who refuse to adhere to safety protocols, the higher the risk.

So yes, being at Disney all day with high compliance for safety precautions can lead to a lower risk of contracting COVID, but not zero risk.

Sure, being in Wal-Mart (or any place for that matter) for only 30 minutes might seem like a short time, but poor compliance of safety measures certainly increases your risk of exposure. In fact, when we do contact tracing, they say anything over 15 minutes of sustained interaction puts you at risk.

I’m not suggesting that one place is safer than the other. Safety and risk come down to how many people you are exposing yourself to and at what capacity those humans are following the safety measures.

No matter where we go, we all have some control over our own protection. Wear your mask. Keep your distance.

Stay safe, y’all!

 

[hsmamato2]

Can anyone explain the logic of feeling safer at WDW when compared to Walmart?

I see so many people say it here and on FB groups. A trip to Walmart would be like 30-60 minutes. You don’t have to eat your meals there and you can even do curbside pickup. So how is WDW safer when you are with thousands of people, spending the whole day, and having to take off the mask to eat and drink?
It defies logic but maybe I am missing something

This is a logical question...it's been well answered by some pp's here.... It's a way of justifying a trip to a theme park. There is no way a trip to my walmart to pick up my online order has as many possibilities for infection as a weeklong stay at WDW. Even if I decide to go instore to get some groceries, same. A 15 minute trip thru my grocery (even with that unmasked guy I see every time I go) is still less risky. If I do go,I shop at off times,etc to lower the numbers of people I need to interact with. A weeklong trip with restaurants,rides,and shared hotels etc etc is really comparing apples to oranges.
I don;t doubt that WDW is enforcing rules pretty well. That doesn;t change the facts of the risks.

 

[AlohaNow]

I'm going with @kdonnel and @SaintsManiac and agree that's it's simply a justification for wanting to go on vacation during a pandemic. And yes, I was at WDW in October. It's just like referencing feeling safer in 'the Disney bubble' during all this. There is no Disney bubble. It is delusional to think you are any safer just because you are on Disney property.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Disney seems to be doing a very good job from all that I read and hear. But, if you are indoors with mask off, eating/drinking you are at risk.

 

[disneychrista]

But you also said you aren't going to get vaccinated when available to you, correct? You are going to wait and see what happens to others?

No. I said I don’t have enough information to make an informed choice. My guess is I have at least 6 - 9 months to make that decision.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

No. I said I don’t have enough information to make an informed choice. My guess is I have at least 6 - 9 months to make that decision.

I can see how that looks a certain way. People were social shamed, people were heavily pressured to stay home, social distance, and more all before they could really make an informed decision, and they didn't have the luxury of what you say of 6-9 months. It was do it and do it now (back in the spring). How can someone in good conscience be so for that but then say "I truly do not have enough information to make an informed choice on whether the vaccination is right for me." You didn't give that same choice to other people. There have been trials going on same as studies that went on regarding the effects of mask wearing, of social distancing, of limiting outings had on case numbers. The medical experts as a whole are saying and pleading and begging people to get this vaccine. It's for the greater good of us all to have people protected, much like other measures were done for the good of everyone else.

I really do understand being hesitant about taking the vaccine. It's not a decision to take lightly but then again neither was closing businesses down, closing schools down, mass shifting of learning from in-person to virtual, and keeping apart from people you never would have thought you needed to do that. But I also understand that now that the shoe is on the other foot and quickly coming people are going to naturally respond to that. It's not going to change the outcome but I do understand both sides.

 

[disneychrista]

I can see how that looks a certain way. People were social shamed, people were heavily pressured to stay home, social distance, and more all before they could really make an informed decision, and they didn't have the luxury of what you say of 6-9 months.

It won’t even be available for the general public for at least that long.

County of half a million is getting less than 5,000 doses.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

It won’t even be available for the general public for at least that long.

County of half a million is getting less than 5,000 doses.

What about all the people in the covid vaccine thread? Many of them don't know when exactly they will be eligible for getting one, they are still able to give an answer.

If available to you right now you'd still hold off because you don't have enough information to make an informed decision according to your comments. Number of doses is a bit irrelevant here.

I understand where you are coming I also understand where others are as well drawing the comparisons.

 

[MillauFr]

I am too worried about getting crushed at WalMart in the rush to get to the cheap TVs. I don't see huge fights and arguments at Disney.

 

[dvcgirl67]

A weeklong trip with restaurants,rides,and shared hotels etc etc is really comparing apples to oranges.
I don;t doubt that WDW is enforcing rules pretty well. That doesn;t change the facts of the risks.

That's right. This is the most dangerous time of this entire pandemic. The CDC put out an advisory that non-essential travel should be postponed. The coronavirus task force said in a memo to state public health officials that they should advise citizens directly....by skirting elected officials if necessary.....that anyone over 65 and anyone with a pre-existing condition should not go indoors without wearing a mask....at all. In another 2-3 months the worst of this unbelievable nightmare will be behind us, but honestly, I think if you travel right now you're crazy.

 

[SaintsManiac]

I am too worried about getting crushed at WalMart in the rush to get to the cheap TVs. I don't see huge fights and arguments at Disney.

Are people trampling everyone daily at Walmart? I’m confused by these posts.

 

[disneychrista]

What about all the people in the covid vaccine thread? Many of them don't know when exactly they will be eligible for getting one, they are still able to give an answer.

If available to you right now you'd still hold off because you don't have enough information to make an informed decision according to your comments. Number of doses is a bit irrelevant here.

I understand where you are coming I also understand where others are as well drawing the comparisons.

That's great for them. They are not me.

Correct. I would not be the "first in line" for this or any vaccination. I am not anti-vax. But I am about making informed decisions. That decision will include talking to my doctor. This is NOT a decision I need to make today.

Comparison to what? I am honestly not even sure how the vaccine got brought up. It has NOTHING to do with comparing Walmart to WDW. Nor the posters comments that was quoted for the vaccine response.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

That's great for them. They are not me.

Correct. I would not be the "first in line" for this or any vaccination. I am not anti-vax. But I am about making informed decisions. That decision will include talking to my doctor. This is NOT a decision I need to make today.

Comparison to what? I am honestly not even sure how the vaccine got brought up. It has NOTHING to do with comparing Walmart to WDW. Nor the posters comments that was quoted for the vaccine response.

I don't really know how else to put this so I'll just say it please don't be upset.

It's hypocritical and people can see that.

Even you saying 'that's great for them they are not me'. So you are about your choices but when it came to the other stuff you talked about over the months it was about everyone needs to do the right thing for everyone instead of considering themselves.

It got brought up because you said this ' Keeping people from getting sick (from COVID) is the whole point of keeping certain business sectors closed or open with modifications.' A vaccine will achieve the same but you are resistant to that (yes I know waiting for an informed decision part).

We should probably stop now on this thread

 

[disneychrista]

It's hypocritical and people can see that.

Why is it hypocritical to say that I want to make an informed choice? A choice I have at least 6 months to make? I don't need to make that choice now.

 

[SaintsManiac]

Why is it hypocritical to say that I want to make an informed choice? A choice I have at least 6 months to make? I don't need to make that choice now.

It’s not hypocritical.