Cohabitating?

I remember very well discussing this topic in my sociology and the family class. Yes, divorce rates seemed to soar when people cohabitated with each other before marriage but I'm not sure I buy into that. My parents didn't live together and they ended up divorced. My sister and her fiancee have been living together the past few years and have a very wonderful and committed relationship. Living with someone first does give you the opportunity to get to know them better than in a "dating" environment. You know yourself better than we do. It seems you already have this figured out, as you said you wouldn't be sharing a bedroom and were both going to stick to that agreement. Good luck to you!
 
I lived with my DH for a year before we got married. However, we had dated over 5 years, had an intimate relationship, and were planning on getting engaged (he was just waiting on the ring). When we lived together, it was just like we were married, joint everything. We've been married for 15 years. We had also lived on our own for 5 years. Can't he find a friend to live with?

I actually wanted to move in together earlier, to save money, but DH said he would only move in together when he was sure we would get married.
 
I personally wouldn't do it if I were you. I don't know how to put it in words but if he thinks he cannot get married until you are both stable what is he going to do if one of you does lose your job? To me that sounds like a very immature statement. I understand waiting until some pressures of life are off (if you are in school or serious training for work) but money is not something that will ever be certain. Life is never certain.

If this is a step you wanted to take due to the relationship growing, I'd understand it. What you are describing is not that.

Just remember that if he is not stable now, your relationship will not be good. There will be money fights if he is living with you.

This is not a way to solve a problem IMO it is a way of creating one.

I am not against living together per say. My husband and I chose not to for religious reasons as well but my other siblings did. I never thought they were sinners or evil. I just think that what you are describing is a recipe for disaster.
 
I lived with my husband 7 months before we were married. Heck, I didn't even know he was going to propse when I agreed to marry him. We had been dating long distance for almost a year and decided it was time to see if we could make it work in the same area. It worked for us but it wouldn't work for everyone. Seven years later we are still married and pretty happy even if under the same roof;)

OP, obviously you are worried how others will look at you. Now, if I remember correctly you are a teacher also. Are you going to be teaching at Christian school? Would you living with your boyfriend be frowned upon?

As for the living together platonically, ah I guess it is possible but I'm not sure I would do that. When I moved in with my husband, I wanted a complete relationship. I didn't want a roommate. I wanted all the intimacy and that doesn't just mean sex. I wanted to sleep in our bed and wake up together and curl up on the couch and then walk to bed together or pop into a shower to say hello with a cup of coffee.

I think turning your relationship into a roommate situation is going to be difficult when one does want more intimacy and again it's not just sex. I understand being practical as I married a practical man myself. He had put my engagement ring on law away months before I moved in and when I moved in he put the ring on my finger as a promise that it was going somewhere.

I'm not going to saw you are too young or too immature. I was 24 when I married and no way financially stable but we gritted our teeth, lived without furniture, shared a car, and loved almost all moments of it. I think your relationship grows and survives from starting with the bare bones and GROWING your relationship/foundation together. It shows you what the other person is made of and how committed they are.

Good luck to you. Having your beliefs are important. Worrying how others view you is not as important as your own relationship.
 

Those who did cohabitate before marriage, would you do it again? Do you think it impacted your marriage at all?

DH and I lived together for a year before we were married and I would absolutely do it again! In fact I recommend it to anyone thinking of getting married, AS LONG AS there is responsibility in the matter of birth control. By living together, we got to know eachother much more deeply than just a "dating" relationship and by the time we got married we were absolutely sure we wanted to be together and could live with eachother. If that had not been the case we could have broken it off and gone our seperate ways without the hassle and pain of a divorce. And since we were responsible in regards to children, we didn't have any of those to hurt with a divorce, had it not worked out.

The decision was probably easier for me however, because I am not a religious person, and I believe in sexual freedom between consenting responsible people (who are old enough to make their own decisions) at all times, so church guidelines had no affect whatsoever on my decision.
 
Here is my opinion... Based on your posts, I think you are looking for some kind of guarantee when it comes to your relationship. You are trying to control every aspect of this arrangement; doing so will not produce a successful outcome. Yes, couples fight and do divorce over financial issues. However, there are many couples that struggle financially that have managed to stay married. There is no one size fits all when it comes to marriage/relationships. What may be acceptable to one couple, may be totally unacceptable to another.

I think you know the answer to your question. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here asking a whole lot of strangers for opinions on a very personal decision. Don't do it. You are not sure and neither is he. Listen to your gut.

BTW, DH and I didn't live together before we married.
 
OP, I am Catholic, my Fiance is nondenominational. I come from a very strict, Catholic family. I moved in with my Fiance my junior year of college (we were engaged). Yes, my family (and Catholic family friends) frowned upon us and didn't support us financially (totally fine- we weren't expecting them to). Honestly, it was one of the best decisions we made. Living with someone really gives you a better perspective on what life is like what that person and teaches you so much about the other- no matter how long you've been together. DFiance and I had been dating since my freshman year of high school but I learned more about him (and myself) in the first few months we were living together. I'm sure other people will disagree with me, but it's just my opinion.

Honestly, you need to do what's best for you and your boyfriend. If you both think you future will involve each other and see marriage or an engagement in the near future, I think living together is smart, as long as you are truly in love and devoted to your boyfriend. Yes, your Catholic community will probably be upset. But you have to determine if their displeasure outweighs the benefits of living with your boyfriend.

Good luck OP, this is a tough decision!
 
I wanted to sleep in our bed and wake up together and curl up on the couch and then walk to bed together or pop into a shower to say hello with a cup of coffee.
You bring coffee?? :confused3 What happened if it spilled on something important? :scared1: :lmao: Leave the coffee in the kitchen (but pop in to say hello by all means!) :goodvibes

Sorry Tina, I couldn't help myself. ;) Oh the days of not having a child in the house...I remember them fondly. :rolleyes1
 
I read through all the responses while thinking of how I wanted to reply, and Disney Doll said everything that I wanted to say. I agree entirely with her post on page 4, especially the way she summed it up: "My opinion: I don't think living together would add anything to your relationship & would probably ultimately end it because he's not ready."

But to add a couple of thoughts to that: If you are worried about what other people might think, I think you have reason to be concerned about that. I do believe it is possible for people in a long term relationship to not have sex, and though I think it might be more difficult I also think you could live together as roommates without sex. However, most people will not believe that. Most people will assume that you are living together as a couple, with all the activities that usually implies. If your religion is important to you, I can completely understand that you might want to avoid the appearance of impropriety. Your reputation with some people will change if you live with him outside of marriage, and once it does there won't be any way to change that. If that is important to you, you need to consider that strongly when making your decision.

Also, I think that the transition from dating, to dating and roommates, to (possibly) married might unnecessarily complicate the relationship. What would the difference be if you were married rather than living together? Not much, realistically, except for the commitment aspect. Financially you'd still be in the same situation but you would avoid all of the possible negative aspects to the roommate situation. I don't necessarily think you should rush into getting married, but in my opinion I think it would be better not to live together either. And if I were in your situation, I would wonder why someone who thinks he isn't financially ready to marry me would be okay with living together instead. I'd be asking him what the financial difference was between the two situations. Maybe he has an answer that makes perfect sense, but I would like to hear his reasoning and factor that into my decision.
 
I have a Catholic friend married to a Lutheran friend. They did not want to cohabitate before marriage, although their situation was a bit different from the OPs becuase they were having sexual relations. I guess they just didn't want the stigma of "living in sin". I'll give the advice I gave them:

If you want to marry this person, shouldn't you figure out how they really live first?

Now mind you, I knew this couple well. I'd roomed with the man for a while and knew what a slob he was. I knew my anal retentive female friend would be appalled. I knew her parents were driving her nuts at home and she needed out of their house. I knew it was the right choice for them, but they're not the only happy relationship I've suggested should move in together. They're just the only ones that thanked me.

I cohabitated before marriage. My parents were not happy about the situation, although they have no pretentions to any organized religion. Once again, they were worried about the stigma. What they didn't know is we'd already been living together for two years and were tired of keeping up the cost of 2 living places just for show. Yes, I would do it again. It merely came to the point where I did not want to be without my DH...ever. I could not see living apart from him.

However, what the OP seemed to be asking was "If we move in together, will we give in to temptation?"

The answer is, only if you want to, and if you do, you'll be doing it because it's what you want.
 
IMHO I feel if you both are willing to enter into a cohabitation for financial reasons then his argument of being financially stable to enter into a marriage is null and void.
I would say it is time to have another talk.....

Well said - my thoughts exactly. I really don't understand this bit. If moving in together is 'good' because it makes sense financially then how can he claim that you're not finacially stable enough to get married? Things like food, bills etc don't suddenly double in price when you've got a ring on your finger! :confused3

I'll hold up my hand and say I'm an athiest so the religious thing is off limits for me to comment on (due to the Dis rules! ;)) but DH and I lived together fro 7 years before we got married. We owned the property jointly (it was my house to start with but I had his name put on the deed after we'd been together about 12 months), and all bills etc came from a joint bank account. Nothing really changed in our relationship after we got married and we're as happy now as we were when we moved in together 22 years ago!

To be brutally frank, I think you both (your BF more so) need to grow up a bit and decide if you WANT to be together for the 'right' reasons or if one or other of you (again from what you've said more likely your BF) if having second thoughts about whether this is a life long relationship or not.
 
You bring coffee?? :confused3 What happened if it spilled on something important? :scared1: :lmao: Leave the coffee in the kitchen (but pop in to say hello by all means!) :goodvibes

Sorry Tina, I couldn't help myself. ;) Oh the days of not having a child in the house...I remember them fondly. :rolleyes1

I'm still trying to figure out how you get the coffee in the shower. A bath I could understand... but prefer wine...

I digress...


Lovemygoofy was right about one very very important thing - you kids should be trying to grow your lives TOGETHER, not separately at the same time until you are ready to mesh your separate lives - if together is where this is headed then you should just take the plunge, get engaged/married and get on with your lives TOGETHER.

Hope that makes sense.


Meanwhile, the issue of what to do with your personal religious convictions is yours alone, and you don't need us to tell you what to do about that. :goodvibes
 
Well as for the cohabitation studies, there's lots of social science controversy over those (lots of correlation/causation problems). And more recent studies that make finer distinctions actually find just the opposite that the studies from the 70s and 80s found:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-07-28-cohabitation-research_N.htm
Teachman's analysis of federal data on 6,577 women whose first marriages occurred between 1970 and 1995 found that a woman who has lived only with her future spouse has no greater risk of divorce. But for women who lived with someone else in addition to the eventual husband, there is a greater risk of divorce, found the study, published in 2003.

Those aren't the only studies reflecting changes — researchers across the country, including at the University of Wisconsin, the University of Minnesota, Pennsylvania State University, Cornell University and others, are studying cohabiting couples. Among other recent findings:

• The odds of divorce among women who married their only cohabiting partner were 28% lower than among women who never cohabited before marriage, according to sociologist Daniel Lichter of Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y.

• Divorce rates for those who cohabit more than once are more than twice as high as for women who cohabited only with their eventual husbands, says Lichter's study, to be published in the Journal of Marriage and Family in December.

• Cohabiting between a first and second marriage doesn't raise the risk of divorce — unless the woman brings a child into the marriage from a previous relationship. A man with a child from a previous relationship does not raise the likelihood of a second divorce, finds a study in the May Journal of Marriage and Family, in which Teachman analyzed findings on 655 women from the 2002 National Survey of Family Growth.

Other recent studies have shown that certain subgroups don't appear to experience negative effects from cohabiting, such as engaged couples who move in together or those who have already decided to marry in the future.

Some new research goes further, suggesting that living together may reduce risk of divorce.

Of course, since most couples who live together are sexually involved, none of these studies are likely to be relevant to your situation. I doubt there has been much research done on how living together but not having sex before marriage affects the later relationship.

Anyway, as for not having sex before marriage, I'm sure it is possible to live in the same house with your SO and not have sex. I'm guessing it makes things harder though. I don't think advice is really going to help you on that issue; it really depends on what you two think you can handle and how bad you two think it would be if you did end up having sex.

As to what other people will think, who are the people you are worried about? It sounds like your parents won't be upset if you move in together, so is it friends you're worried about? Church members? On the friend issue I would think you must have some other friends in your circle who don't believe in the prohibition on sex before marriage, no? Surely the other friends don't sit in judgment of them? In terms of the church, I'd surprised if anyone actually spent time thinking about your sex life. If this is really a concern I'd say time to find better friends/church who mind their own business!

I think whether or not you are going to live together (but especially if you are), you probably should have a serious talk together about what you're planning for the future and what kind of time-line you have in mind. As other posters have made clear, there are different ways to approach living together. It sounds like since you own the house and everything is in your name, that you two would keep "yours" and "mine" separate.

When GF and I moved in together we started out that way and it worked fine for us. We were moving in together because 1) we wanted to be together all the time and we were already spending every night together, but this meant traveling between our houses and neglecting her cat half of the time and 2) it made no sense to pay for two apartments and only use each half of the time. At that point, we were not making any "forever" type of commitment to each other and we didn't feel comfortable joining our finances. By about a year later, we had gotten to that point and we decided to combine things then and we were able to do that with no problem. By that point we also decided that we eventually needed the legal rights that go along with marriage. Of course we're not allowed to have those rights where we live, so we're just hoping to be able to move somewhere where we will be able to get married in the future. For us though, marriage is just a legal relationship. It has nothing to do with how committed we are and it was never the goal we had when we moved in together. (And we have no idea when/if we will actually be able to get married and have it legally recognized where we are living.)

Your situation is obviously pretty different than ours. Marriage is the goal for you and him. If this is something you want now and he wants later, it'd probably be a good idea to talk about how long you're willing to wait and how long he might want to wait. (And what if he doesn't achieve financial stability very easily? Will he want to wait say, 2, 3, 5 years to get engaged depending upon how the finances go? Are you willing to wait that long?) Also, if it's possible that you will end up living together for a significant length of time, there may eventually come a time when you'll want to combine finances. Is that something either of you might want to do before you are married? How will the fact that you own the house affect this?
 
This thread seems to be on the borderline between an advice thread and a religious thread... aren't religious threads banned?

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2125870

I was under the impression that "religious threads" were more those that discussed or debated actual theology or the merits of one religion versus another. In this case. religion is only part of the thread since the OP's religion colors the way her actions will be viewed by the people involved in her life, and it's the reason that her relationship will be more of a roommate situation. I am sure it would be against board policies to debate whether it's ok to have sex before marriage and use religious arguments in the discussion. On the other hand, merely saying that your family and friends might be upset that you are cohabitating because of religion doesn't seem like an actual religious discussion to me. But I'm sure the mods will step in if they find that this is a religious thread.
 
I'm in a sort of ethical dilemma and would love to hear different sides of this. If my boyfriend gets a job in the same area I do we are sort of kicking around the idea of sharing a house. It would put us both in a much more comfortable financial state, and we have already had very serious and frank discussions about the future and what it will hold for us.

Believe me, I would jump for joy if he would propose right now. We have talked about it and he feels it would be irresponsible to propose until he has a stable job (which he has had a hard time finding as he is a social studies teacher.) I can fully respect that. I still wish he would propose, but I do understand his reasoning and can't fault him for being practical.

He does not want to stay in his parents house (he wants to be on his own) and has stated that it would be much easier financially if he had a roommate but that I am the only one he would ever want to room with. I can honestly see both sides of the issue and wonder what others think.

Why doesn't he just stay at home until he gets a job. If he wants to teach he may have to leave the area. Or he could find a roommate - he must know someone.
 
I'm in a sort of ethical dilemma and would love to hear different sides of this. If my boyfriend gets a job in the same area I do we are sort of kicking around the idea of sharing a house. It would put us both in a much more comfortable financial state, and we have already had very serious and frank discussions about the future and what it will hold for us.

I am Catholic, he is Lutheran and this is generally frowned upon. The assumption is that if a couple cohabitates they will give into temptation, but this is not us. We are both committed to maintaining a Christian relationship in which sex is present only in the confines of marriage. We would not share a bedroom. I asked about this on a Catholic boards and have sort of been ganged up on. According to them it is impossible to resist temptation and we will lead others to sin. That seems a bit out there to me.

I'm trying to really look at all sides of the issue.

I was raised as a strict roman catholic and it was extremely forbidden to live with each other. Anyway, something came up and my BF at the time had to move due to his job and we didn't want a long distance relationship, so we moved in together. Boy, did I get it from all sides, but I moved with him anyway. We were able to live together and didn't have sex until we were married. We have been happily married for over 15 years! I think you can do this because it sounds like you have a strong commitment to your beliefs. Good luck with your decision.
 
You bring coffee?? :confused3 What happened if it spilled on something important? :scared1: :lmao: Leave the coffee in the kitchen (but pop in to say hello by all means!) :goodvibes

Sorry Tina, I couldn't help myself. ;) Oh the days of not having a child in the house...I remember them fondly. :rolleyes1

I'm still trying to figure out how you get the coffee in the shower. A bath I could understand... but prefer wine...

I digress...


Lovemygoofy was right about one very very important thing - you kids should be trying to grow your lives TOGETHER, not separately at the same time until you are ready to mesh your separate lives - if together is where this is headed then you should just take the plunge, get engaged/married and get on with your lives TOGETHER.

Hope that makes sense.


Meanwhile, the issue of what to do with your personal religious convictions is yours alone, and you don't need us to tell you what to do about that. :goodvibes

:rotfl:yes it's nice not having children so you can do this and sometimes we do have the coffee in the shower but mostly its waiting there and yes I agree wine is the best:thumbsup2
 
Those who did cohabitate before marriage, would you do it again? Do you think it impacted your marriage at all?

My husband and I lived together for almost 3 years before we got married...2 before we were engaged and I encourage it. Personally I think it's better to live with someone before you marry them so each person can get used to each other's living habits. Sometimes there are things you just can't live with and I think it's horrible to find out about if after the fact and be stuck with it forever. I know there are a lot of people who disagree, but this is just my opinion. Of course, neither DH nor I are christian, so obviously that affects our decision greatly. But really you two just need to do what it best for you. It shouldn't be anyone else's decision and really no one needs to have a say as it is your lives.

*edited to add: when we lived together before we were married, it was living as if we were married. Not a "room-mate" type situation. Obviously that isn't the way you two would be doing things and personally I think treating it that way and then trying to live together as husband and wife later would make things a little weird, as initially there would be such a separation. But once again...that's just my opinion.
 
I've skimmed the threads and will add this:

Whether you are or are not sleeping together, you may as well assume that everybody is going to think you are regardless of what you say. I am NOT saying that you will be, but everybody will think you are. That's just the way it is. So, if you are concerned about your witness to the world, that's what it will be.

Next, if you can afford to live together, you can afford to be married. It's that simple.

The fact that your boyfriend is willing to live together but not to get married tells me that he just plain isn't ready to get married yet (which is certainly his perogrative), but you have to realize that he may never be (as you've said, you're definitely agreeable to being married, he's the one dragging his feet).

His statement about not wanting to be married until he has a stable job is fine, but shouldn't it also apply to living together? I mean, really, what's the difference in the economics? :confused3
 


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