Clinton's expected concession speech?

[undertheradar]

But the news spotlight is not on Obama alone....I have seen about 4 or 5 stories this morning on cable news and the Today show all about HRC, her campaign and her speech last night. She is getting her moment too.

And you are right, he has not "officially" won, but there are no more primaries, so when shall this end? I really don't want to see my party divided till August. He's closer to officially winning than ever before, HRC is no where near it....so why can't she join forces with her fellow dems and fight to get a dem in the WH???

She is fighting to get a Democrat into the WH, herself.

Much like the agreement that the candidates would not count MI and FL, HRC keeps moving the goal line as the need fits! Her introduction by her campaign manager was disgusting!

 

[Master Mason]

For the record, Clinton only has the most popular votes when you count according to Clinton math! The votes of PR(why is nobody noting how hard the Clinton family campaigned here?), the votes of Florida and Michigan are included in the Clinton math. Caucus states are EXCLUDED in the Clinton math. This is much the same math used to claim budget surplus during the prior Clinton administration.
There is no class when the Clintons are involved.

What Clintons make things up, I am shocked I tell you shocked

 

[BoyLovesBuzz]

No, it is more like I want a coke, not pepsi so I'll have a Dr Pepper, they aren't as far appart as you make it out to be.

Really?

You would give on Pro Choice, Death Penalty, Same Sex unions, Environment, Healthcare, Billions of $ and K's of lives in Iraq, for.......?

I think there is quite a difference.

 

[PixieDust32]

The 'popular vote' does not take into account caucus states (including the votes of all the people in my state) and unfortunately for Hillary the criteria is the delegate count.

Woulda...coulda...shoulda. She got her steam too late and she lost... Close doesn't cut it.

 

[jacksonsmom]

But the news spotlight is not on Obama alone....I have seen about 4 or 5 stories this morning on cable news and the Today show all about HRC, her campaign and her speech last night. She is getting her moment too.

And you are right, he has not "officially" won, but there are no more primaries, so when shall this end? I really don't want to see my party divided till August. He's closer to officially winning than ever before, HRC is no where near it....so why can't she join forces with her fellow dems and fight to get a dem in the WH???

So she isn't allowed to have her moment also.
This whole primary has been about Obama. Obama has had PLENTY of moments of spotlight in the media and WILL get many more.

Can't Hillary have HER moment without so much hassle?????
I mean really what is the big deal?
Are not her supporters allowed a shining moment of our candidate in the spotlight?

It just seems like you want Hillary just to bow to Obama and shut up, maybe you deep down do, but like it or not there are MILLIONS of people who love and support Hillary. She will give us our time and moment to Thank us and she should! People should know Hillary by now, she will not bow down just because others want her too or don't like her

Seriously I just don't see the big deal about her not officially conceding
I have no doubt she WILL concede, so there is nothing to worry about

 

[Master Mason]

Really?

You would give on Pro Choice, Death Penalty, Same Sex unions, Environment, Healthcare, Billions of $ and K's of lives in Iraq, for.......?

I think there is quite a difference.

Lets see, they are all pro choice, they just differ on who should write the laws. Neither Obama nor McCain favor Gay Marrige, both support civil union (don't know where HC stands), All have health care plans, just different ones, all of them wish to be out of Iraq (and your never going to get a straight answer about how that is going to happen, as they simply can't do it for the safety of the troops), and I honestly don't know how any of them feel about the death penalty.

so yea, its more like a different flavor of soda than a piece of fruit to a pizza.

ETA: I don't like any of them, so it isn't like I am arguing in favor of any of them

 

[jacksonsmom]

Lets see, they are all pro choice, they just differ on who should write the laws. Neither Obama nor McCain favor Gay Marrige, both support civil union (don't know where HC stands), All have health care plans, just different ones, all of them wish to be out of Iraq (and your never going to get a straight answer about how that is going to happen, as they simply can't do it for the safety of the troops), and I honestly don't know how any of them feel about the death penalty.

so yea, its more like a different flavor of soda than a piece of fruit to a pizza.

ETA: I don't like any of them, so it isn't like I am arguing in favor of any of them

You sound like my father. He said we should throw them all back and start over with a totally new fresh batch

I see your point with being different flavors of soda and not comparing fruit to pizza.

 

[BoyLovesBuzz]

Lets see, they are all pro choice, they just differ on who should write the laws. Neither Obama nor McCain favor Gay Marrige, both support civil union (don't know where HC stands), All have health care plans, just different ones, all of them wish to be out of Iraq (and your never going to get a straight answer about how that is going to happen, as they simply can't do it for the safety of the troops), and I honestly don't know how any of them feel about the death penalty.

so yea, its more like a different flavor of soda than a piece of fruit to a pizza.

ETA: I don't like any of them, so it isn't like I am arguing in favor of any of them

I'm in the same boat. But this ground swell of people that would vote for McCain over Obama, because they supported Hillary, makes no sense to me.

McCain would actively seek SC judges to overturn Roe v Wade, and work towards gaining a consensus to end abortion at the state level.

McCain was an ardent supporter of the decision to invade Iraq and vows to keep U.S. troops there until the war is won. He recently said 2013 was a reasonable date for achieving that goal and ending U.S. involvement.
Obama was an early opponent of the war who has promised to remove U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months of taking office

McCain supports extending Bush's cuts and reducing corporate tax rates, while Obama would let Bush's cuts expire for wealthy Americans -- those making more than $250,000 annually -- and let the rate reductions on capital gains taxes expire.

On Health Care McCain would use tax credits to help shift from employer-based insurance coverage to an open market system where people can choose from competing policies.
Obama would keep the existing job-based system and expand government involvement. He supports universal health coverage for the 47 million Americans without insurance.

 

[legalsea]

I agree that there is no reason for Senator Clinton to concede the nomination. The Super Delegates are fully capable of changing their vote at the Denver convention. It ain’t over till it’s over.

However, Senator Clinton, in my view, brought a lot of this ‘poor sport’ stuff on to herself. As a lawyer I like ‘rules and procedures’, and I like for everyone to follow the rules and procedures.

Hence, Florida and Michigan. They moved the dates of their primaries up without the consent of the national organization. The two states were told that if they held their primaries early, then the consequence would be dire: no delegates at all. Both Senator Obama and Senator Clinton agreed to not campaign in said states. We all know what happened. Since having the delegates/popular votes from those states would benefit her, Senator Clinton argued that the rules and procedures should no longer apply.

No doubt, if she was ahead of Senator Obama in votes/delegates, instead of the other way around (and Obama ‘won’ the states votes), she would have been publicly aghast at any suggestion by the Obama camp that the rogue votes and delegates be counted. Those states should have been punished for violating their own organizations rules.

Anyway, Senator Obama has 1,744 pledged delegates, and he needs 2,118. Senator Clinton has 1,641 pledged delegates. Sure, as of this moment, Senator Obama has enough pie-crust promises from Super Delegates to give him the nomination in Denver. However, as Mary Poppins said, “Pie Crust Promise: Easily Made, Easily Broken”.

I also love a good floor fight at national conventions, which we have not seen for a long time. Again, I do not support her attempt to include the rogue states votes, but I do enjoy the anticipation of watching the floor fight in Denver.

 

[Master Mason]

I also love a good floor fight at national conventions, which we have not seen for a long time. Again, I do not support her attempt to include the rogue states votes, but I do enjoy the anticipation of watching the floor fight in Denver.

I am hoping for a floor fight as well, at least it will be something interesting to view, not much else has been interesting in the last 18 months. I think that the last really floor fight was when Carter came out on top, and I was pretty young then so didn't really understand it that well.

McCann would actively seek SC judges to overturn Roe v Wade, and work towards gaining a consensus to end abortion at the state level.

First, could you show me a quote from McCain that says this?

Second, whoever is President has to choose a SC nominee that will actually pass the Senate, if a nominee has stated that they will overturn Roe V Wade, they aren't going to pass what will most likely be a Democratic Senate now will they?

Third, I actually agree that Roe v Wade should be overturned, not because I wish to see Abortion outlawed, but because it is a flawed decision. There is no "Right to Privacy" guarenteed in our constitution, the words simply are not there, and I am against Judges Legislateing from the bench. If we need a "Right to Privacy" which again, I am not against, then there should be such an amendment writen and passed.

 

[BoyLovesBuzz]

I am hoping for a floor fight as well, at least it will be something interesting to view, not much else has been interesting in the last 18 months. I think that the last really floor fight was when Carter came out on top, and I was pretty young then so didn't really understand it that well.



First, could you show me a quote from McCain that says this?

Second, whoever is President has to choose a SC nominee that will actually pass the Senate, if a nominee has stated that they will overturn Roe V Wade, they aren't going to pass what will most likely be a Democratic Senate now will they?

Third, I actually agree that Roe v Wade should be overturned, not because I wish to see Abortion outlawed, but because it is a flawed decision. There is no "Right to Privacy" guarenteed in our constitution, the words simply are not there, and I am against Judges Legislateing from the bench. If we need a "Right to Privacy" which again, I am not against, then there should be such an amendment writen and passed.

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm

John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench.

Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.

However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. Once the question is returned to the states, the fight for life will be one of courage and compassion - the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby. The pro-life movement has done tremendous work in building and reinforcing the infrastructure of civil society by strengthening faith-based, community, and neighborhood organizations that provide critical services to pregnant mothers in need. This work must continue and government must find new ways to empower and strengthen these armies of compassion. These important groups can help build the consensus necessary to end abortion at the state level. As John McCain has publicly noted, "At its core, abortion is a human tragedy. To effect meaningful change, we must engage the debate at a human level."

Bolding added is mine.

 

[Master Mason]

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm




Bolding added is mine.

Ok,

So he belives that Judges shouldn't legislate from the bench, and that he would nominate Judges that wouldn't do that. And that is somehow a bad thing? Isn't that the way it is supposed to work according to the constitution?

Also, according the the Constitution, those powers not reserved to the Central Government are the providence of the states. Are they not?

And the direct quote from McCain about it being a human tradgedy, do you not agree with that statement? I would. I think that Abortion should be legal, I don't want women dieing in back alleys like in the past because it wasn't legal, but it is still a sad thing to have happen.

Just my opinion, as always, your free to disagree, I am just curious as to why you would disagree with the points made above.

 

[BoyLovesBuzz]

Ok,

So he belives that Judges shouldn't legislate from the bench, and that he would nominate Judges that wouldn't do that. And that is somehow a bad thing? Isn't that the way it is supposed to work according to the constitution?

Also, according the the Constitution, those powers not reserved to the Central Government are the providence of the states. Are they not?

And the direct quote from McCain about it being a human tradgedy, do you not agree with that statement? I would. I think that Abortion should be legal, I don't want women dieing in back alleys like in the past because it wasn't legal, but it is still a sad thing to have happen.

Just my opinion, as always, your free to disagree, I am just curious as to why you would disagree with the points made above.

I support John McCain's position on this issue, but we have digressed from what my orginal point was. My opinion is that there is a significant difference between Obama and McCain. And that if you are a Hillary supporter, and you now choose to support McCain over Obama, it is easy to assume that that decission is motivated by something other then the cadidate's position on any of the big ticket issues (Economy, War, etc).

 

[connorlevismom]

I support John McCann's position on this issue, but we have digressed from what my orginal point was. My opinion is that there is a significant difference between Obama and McCann. And that if you are a Hillary supporter, and you now choose to support McCann over Obama, it is easy to assume that that decission is motivated by something other then the cadidate's position on any of the big ticket issues (Economy, War, etc).

There are a lot of people that just don't trust Obama. Is that a good enough reason? I don't think it is fair for people to conclude that if you like Clinton and don't like Obama, it must be because he is black. How about some people just don't like him?

Kristine

 

[Master Mason]

I support John McCann's position on this issue, but we have digressed from what my orginal point was. My opinion is that there is a significant difference between Obama and McCann. And that if you are a Hillary supporter, and you now choose to support McCann over Obama, it is easy to assume that that decission is motivated by something other then the cadidate's position on any of the big ticket issues (Economy, War, etc).

Fair enough. However, I still stand by my point that they don't differ quite as significantly as you said. Anyone that has any chance of winning must be running somewhere near the middle. If you drop it on a scale, they by definition have to be within the middle 50%, if they were on the outside 25% in either direction, they would have 75% of the people disagreeing with them and therefore become unelectable.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

From my perspective, it would be a sad day for America if Hillary's supporters, the many of them mothers and grandmothers for fought long and hard for reproductive rights, voted for McCain out of spite and lost their daughter's and granddaughter's right to choose. Talk about a tragedy...

 

[Master Mason]

There are a lot of people that just don't trust Obama. Is that a good enough reason? I don't think it is fair for people to conclude that if you like Clinton and don't like Obama, it must be because he is black. How about some people just don't like him?

Kristine

I am often amazed that anyone would trust any of them.

 

[BoyLovesBuzz]

There are a lot of people that just don't trust Obama. Is that a good enough reason? I don't think it is fair for people to conclude that if you like Clinton and don't like Obama, it must be because he is black. How about some people just don't like him?

Kristine

I guess there are people that care nothing for the issues and just vote based on their like or dis-like of a person. It just surprises me the masses.

 

[Master Mason]

From my perspective, it would be a sad day for America if Hillary's supporters, the many of them mothers and grandmothers for fought long and hard for reproductive rights, voted for McCain out of spite and lost their daughter's and granddaughter's right to choose. Talk about a tragedy...

From a quick google search of statistics.

66% of the people favor legal abortion. Only 14% of the people feel that no abortion should be legal, so that means that 86% feel that there is some compeling reasons to continue to have at least some abortions be legal.

Based on that, no president will be able to make abortion illegal. I do believe it could be possible for it to be made illegal in some states, but it would never happen in others.

So honestly, I'm not really too worried about anyone losing their right to choose, and for that I am thankful as well.

 

[BoyLovesBuzz]

Fair enough. However, I still stand by my point that they don't differ quite as significantly as you said. Anyone that has any chance of winning must be running somewhere near the middle. If you drop it on a scale, they by definition have to be within the middle 50%, if they were on the outside 25% in either direction, they would have 75% of the people disagreeing with them and therefore become unelectable.

Okay, lets go with marginally different, or even slightly different. Can we at least agree, that on issues that BO and HRC are closer than JM and HRC.