Christians suing for the right to be intolerant

[MouseWorshipin]

She's an ignorant idiot that is the result of inbreeding.

Great, now the inbreds will be protesting. Thanks, Rick.

 

[In a hurry]

Basically, yes!

And I am a girl. OK, woman. At my age, I guess I can't be a girl anymore, which is much more upsetting to me than who is protesting whom this week.

OMGosh, I am so there with you!! Sorry!

 

[bimshire]

She's an ignorant idiot that is the result of inbreeding. There, I said it. Aint free speech grand?

Don't say it too loud. Remember, the Fundamentalists are a large part of Dubya's 35%, and the base of his party.

 

[WIcruizer]

I figured this would happen. The debate has turned to whether her views are correct or not. If she's a Christian or not. If she's a true Christian, or what the Bible says about gays.

All this misses the point. Should a person be able to say Gay Pride Week is stupid, and not have to worry about some sort of diversity training? Should a person be able to speak out at a college campus without being censored?

 

[RickinNYC]

Great, now the inbreds will be protesting. Thanks, Rick.

ROFL!!! Oh man, that tickled me to no end!

(Hey, why am I talking like I'm 128 yrs old? "tickled me to no end..." YEESH?

 

[declansdad]

This quote is from the link that was attached. Sorry, but I agree with most of it. I would never speak out, but I find Gay Pride Month stupid, as I do the whole cottage industry of diversity training. Why shouldn't someone (fundamental Christian or not) be able to speak out against Gay Pride Month?

If you look at diversity training from the point of view as simply trying to teach tolerance, then I would agree it is a waste of time. However, if you use diversity training to show how we can use each others cultures, methods, values, and whatever else you want to add here; it is a very valuable tool that can be used to better all our lives and far from stupid.

 

[RickinNYC]

I figured this would happen. The debate has turned to whether her views are correct or not. If she's a Christian or not. If she's a true Christian, or what the Bible says about gays.

All this misses the point. Should a person be able to say Gay Pride Week is stupid, and not have to worry about some sort of diversity training? Should a person be able to speak out at a college campus without being censored?

And you forgot the biggest conundrum. Did they get the peanut butter on the chocolate or did they get their chocolate on the peanut butter?

 

[In a hurry]

All this misses the point. Should a person be able to say Gay Pride Week is stupid, and not have to worry about some sort of diversity training? Should a person be able to speak out at a college campus without being censored?

Consensus seems to be "yes." I thought that was pretty easily settled. Especially since the OP appears to have gone back to working!

 

[chris1gill]

Well, I happen to agree with the girl. The 1st Ammendment seems to protect all types of outrageous speech. And I don't even think it's that outrageous for fundamental Christians to speak out against gays.

Yes, but should we want to speak out about the fundamental Christians, well, THAT would just not be tolerated

Can't legislate stupidity... ignorant people will always be ignorant....

 

[Galahad]

I figured this would happen. The debate has turned to whether her views are correct or not. If she's a Christian or not. If she's a true Christian, or what the Bible says about gays.

All this misses the point. Should a person be able to say Gay Pride Week is stupid, and not have to worry about some sort of diversity training? Should a person be able to speak out at a college campus without being censored?

If it is simply speech, public or not, then yes, they should not be censored. If it is harassment, then the college has a right to restrict behaviour that can be viewed as a liability to them (e.g. if members of the Gay Community claim they are threatened by the harassment).

The thread took both paths from the beginning (about whether it's a valid position). It would be impossible to separate them - freedom of speech certainly wasn't on the mind of the OP.

 

[In a hurry]

If you look at diversity training from the point of view as simply trying to teach tolerance, then I would agree it is a waste of time. However, if you use diversity training to show how we can use each others cultures, methods, values, and whatever else you want to add here; it is a very valuable tool that can be used to better all our lives and far from stupid.

Diversity training has nothing to do with anything but telling people to be tolerant of gays/lesbians. At least on our campus. As I said earlier. It def. seemed to be a situation of preaching to the choir.

 

[goofy's friends]

I thank God every day that this ignorant girl and those like her are not representative of the entire Christian population.

This is right. Everyone needs to remember that every group has it's extremists. Don't judge "Christians" by one person's intolerance. Most feel the way someone on here said---Christ said to love and that is how we will be known.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

And you forgot the biggest conundrum. Did they get the peanut butter on the chocolate or did they get their chocolate on the peanut butter?

I hate that commercial! The bar got stuck into the PB, so obviously the chocolate got on the peanut butter, just like it is on (and around) the PB on the cup! Thank you for bringing THAT back to me.


Now let's see, so far on this board the crazy-religious, the regular religious, the gay (religious or not), the republicans, and the inbred have been attacked.

What else can get stirred up (insert the stir smilie, mine aren't working).

 

[In a hurry]

Yes, but should we want to speak out about the fundamental Christians, well, THAT would just not be tolerated

Can't legislate stupidity... ignorant people will always be ignorant....

Are you kidding? People rag on the fundamental christians all of the time. It is par for the couse! Painting any large group of people with the same brush is ignorant, imo.

 

[LukenDC]

All this misses the point. Should a person be able to say Gay Pride Week is stupid, and not have to worry about some sort of diversity training? Should a person be able to speak out at a college campus without being censored?

Yes, people should be allowed to say that Gay Pride week is stupid and they should be allowed to speak out on a college campus.

As for diversity training, employers should have the right to make it compulsory. Nothing says that one must agree with everything taught in a diversity training, but the employer has the right to set the tone for the work environment. Besides, many diversity trainings these days focus on how to agree to disagree in a respectful, non-hurtful manner.

 

[Kitka]

The Bible says extraordinarily little about homosexuality - almost nothing DIRECTLY. Jesus never spoke about it - even according to the Gnostic and Apocryphal Gospels. IMO, it is a silly area for Christians to spend any energy at all. (Fore the record, I am a convinced, religious, practicing Christian).

You are so right. It gets so tiring arguing it with some of those I know that believe otherwise, but you are right. It's very frustrating to me that so many in my church are so focused on this issue that they are ignoring the things we are SUPPOSED to be doing - clothing the naked, feeding the poor....

 

[WIcruizer]

As for diversity training, employers should have the right to make it compulsory. Nothing says that one must agree with everything taught in a diversity training, but the employer has the right to set the tone for the work environment.

As of today the employer has the right, but the courts could change that. I understand the purpose of diversity training, I just happen to believe it's a waste of time. If grown adults in the workplace have viewpoints about a certain race, religion, or lifestyle then I doubt a few hours or more of diversity training will change any of that.

It's just a cheap way for a company to show they are doing "something" in the name of diversity. So an entire cottage industry is born, millions of dollars are spent, and nobody questions or cares if it is actually accomplishing anything. That's why I think it's stupid.

 

[jgmklmhem]

If it is simply speech, public or not, then yes, they should not be censored. If it is harassment, then the college has a right to restrict behaviour that can be viewed as a liability to them (e.g. if members of the Gay Community claim they are threatened by the harassment).

The thread took both paths from the beginning (about whether it's a valid position). It would be impossible to separate them - freedom of speech certainly wasn't on the mind of the OP.

JUst for the exercise what would be the differenc between Harassment and just speech. I think that line has been blurred. I mean can this girl stand at the center of campus and chant "I hate gay people"....some would see that as harassment others just speech. As long as she doesn't threaten anyone or group then I personally see it as speech. Where is the line drawn. On campuses it is normally the "victim" who gets to make such determinations. Just to add to the fun what about the peace protestors who have signs that say they hate Republican's or Farrakahn (spelling is wrong I know) yelling I hate white people or the KKK saying they hate black people.... Or the people who are counter protesting the immigration marches yelling they hate Illegal immigrants. Unless direct threats are made (such as I hate gay people and hope to kill them) I see all as free speech and not harassment.

 

[In a hurry]

As of today the employer has the right, but the courts could change that. I understand the purpose of diversity training, I just happen to believe it's a waste of time. If grown adults in the workplace have viewpoints about a certain race, religion, or lifestyle then I doubt a few hours or more of diversity training will change any of that.

It's just a cheap way for a company to show they are doing "something" in the name of diversity. So an entire cottage industry is born, millions of dollars are spent, and nobody questions or cares if it is actually accomplishing anything. That's why I think it's stupid.

That is what I have been trying to say. I can't imagine any adult changing any attitude, which seems to be the primary goal. Now, as far as behavior goes, in the work place it should be pretty simple/cheap and easy to lay out the rules.

On a campus, it just seems like another pep rally.

 

[arminnie]

I guess you won't mind then if the rest of us speak out against fundamentalist christians?

You make that sound like something that would be so out of the ordinary. I am not a fundamentalist christian, but there are verbal and written attacks on them pretty much daily - everything from cartoons to editorials.

Too many people are intolerant of two groups - Christians (not just the fundamentalists) and fat people. So many of the people who express bigotry towards gays and ethnic groups are just really stupid and uneducated (okay I've shown my prejudices). But too many of those who express bigotry towards people's religion or weight are smart enough that they really should know better.

I detest violent criminals - period. There is no reason to say I hate "place a race or ethnic group here" violent criminals.

I don't like people who espouse hatred towards gays. I don't think atheists who hate gays are any less offensive than Christians who hate gays. Bigotry is bigotry.

There are many, many gay Christians by the way.