Christians suing for the right to be intolerant

[wvjules]

Yes, people should be allowed to say that Gay Pride week is stupid and they should be allowed to speak out on a college campus.

So is it also ok to say that Black History month is stupid or does this only apply to Gay Pride week?

If I walked past a black person and said the N word its not ok, but if I walked past a gay person I can't call them a gay word (can't think of any lol).

Does this logic apply to all intolerance or just gays and lesbians?

 

[In a hurry]

So is it also ok to say that Black History month is stupid or does this only apply to Gay Pride week?

If I walked past a black person and said the N word its not ok, but if I walked past a gay person I can't call them a gay word (can't think of any lol).

Does this logic apply to all intolerance or just gays and lesbians?

Aren't you guys on the same side...I'm so confused!

Yeah, people should be allowed to say what they want, barring the proverbial
"FIRE" in the movie theater.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

If I walked past a black person and said the N word its not ok, but if I walked past a gay person I can't call them a gay word (can't think of any lol).

Does this logic apply to all intolerance or just gays and lesbians?

I support your right to say it completely. And I support the guy who pops you one in the nose, as well, even if he doesn't have the "right" to do it.

 

[eclectics]

Too many people are intolerant of two groups - Christians (not just the fundamentalists) and fat people.

Overweight people yes, but Christians? Seems to me (and I'm not trying to be a smart aleck) that Christians have more power, have been more publicly vocal in their opinions, and getting more positive attention from politicians than ever before. They seem to be getting their message across, so to speak, in a lot of different venues. I just don't see the intolerance angle at all, sorry, and I live in a blue state. Religiously speaking, if any group is suffering from intolerance right now in the USA, I think it's the Muslims.

 

[cardaway]

Overweight people yes, but Christians? Seems to me (and I'm not trying to be a smart aleck) that Christians have more power, have been more publicly vocal in their opinions, and getting more positive attention from politicians than ever before. They seem to be getting their message across, so to speak, in a lot of different venues. I just don't see the intolerance angle at all, sorry, and I live in a blue state. Religiously speaking, if any group is suffering from intolerance right now in the USA, I think it's the Muslims.

It doesn't make sense for a group to brag about how high their percentage is and how powerful they are, only to turn around and complain about how they are being treated, but once again here we are.

 

[WIcruizer]

So is it also ok to say that Black History month is stupid or does this only apply to Gay Pride week?

If I walked past a black person and said the N word its not ok, but if I walked past a gay person I can't call them a gay word (can't think of any lol).

Does this logic apply to all intolerance or just gays and lesbians?

Yes, it is ok to say Black History month is stupid. Why wouldn't it be ok? In fact, I DO think it is stupid.

If you walk by someone you can say whatever you want.

You consider it intolerance. Your word, not mine.

 

[auntpolly]

Overweight people yes, but Christians? Seems to me (and I'm not trying to be a smart aleck) that Christians have more power, have been more publicly vocal in their opinions, and getting more positive attention from politicians than ever before. They seem to be getting their message across, so to speak, in a lot of different venues. I just don't see the intolerance angle at all, sorry, and I live in a blue state. Religiously speaking, if any group is suffering from intolerance right now in the USA, I think it's the Muslims.

Did you see the part where she wrote -not just fundamentalists - because why do we Christians have to feel the need to constantly apologize for the fundamentalists? Do the rest of you want to apologize for the fundamentalists in your religions? Do you atheists want to have to answer for every dumb thing another atheist does.

Fundamentists don't speak for me. They are not the last word on Christianity. Of course we normal Christians get sick of having to apologize for every silly little homophobic twit who gets her 15 minutes of fame.

Yes, yes, there are Christians who are intolerant. The rest of us are here for our daily flogging sir, and even though it's completely beyond our control, we are so so sorry!!!!

 

[Kitka]

It doesn't make sense for a group to brag about how high their percentage is and how powerful they are, only to turn around and complain about how they are being treated, but once again here we are.

Amen. The biggest cultural myth in the US is the 'oppression of Christians'. Thanks to the good folks like Bill O'Reilly who proclaim there is a "war on Christmas"

Christianity is thriving in the US. Those who claim they are oppressed Christians need a wake-up call. They have no idea what oppression really means. Perhaps a Chinese Christian (or Buddhist) could explain it to them...

 

[eclectics]

Did you see the part where she wrote -not just fundamentalists - because why do we Christians have to feel the need to constantly apologize for the fundamentalists? Do the rest of you want to apologize for the fundamentalists in your religions? Do you atheists want to have to answer for every dumb thing another atheist does.

Fundamentists don't speak for me. They are not the last word on Christianity. Of course we normal Christians get sick of having to apologize for every silly little homophobic twit who gets her 15 minutes of fame.

Yes, yes, there are Christians who are intolerant. The rest of us are here for our daily flogging sir, and even though it's completely beyond our control, we are so so sorry!!!!

I certainly did not wish to upset anyone, and if I did, I apologize. I meant my question in all sincerity. I am curious because I have heard this complaint before from other Christians (whom I consider to be mainstream) on this board. I don't understand why they thought this way and wanted to find out why. That's all. There was no sinister overtones in my query and if you think there is, you are dead wrong. I am a Christian myself, btw, even if I did not speak in that sense, gramatically.

 

[HOGFAN]

Aren't you being a bit hypocritical here?
You often invoke your right to be intolerant, intolerant of anybody who has a different opinion to your own?

ford family

ITA

 

[auntpolly]

I certainly did not wish to upset anyone, and if I did, I apologize. I meant my question in all sincerity. I am curious because I have heard this complaint before from other Christians (whom I consider to be mainstream) on this board. I don't understand why they thought this way and wanted to find out why. That's all. There was no sinister overtones in my query and if you think there is, you are dead wrong. I am a Christian myself, btw, even if I did not speak in that sense, gramatically.

Sorry, if I was ranting it wasn't meant to be at you. I just get tired of being lumped in with the extremists. I feel like we should just create a sticky, "Stupid thing a Christian did or said today" and make it a running thread. Maybe we need a whole new board, it sure seems to entertain some people.

 

[eclectics]

Sorry, if I was ranting it wasn't meant to be at you. I just get tired of being lumped in with the extremists. I feel like we should just create a sticky, "Stupid thing a Christian did or said today" and make it a running thread. Maybe we need a whole new board, it sure seems to entertain some people.

I understand. Btw, enjoy your trip to Italia. Hope you get a peek at the Pope!

 

[auntpolly]

I understand. Btw, enjoy your trip to Italia. Hope you get a peek at the Pope!

Grazie! A dopo!

 

[Puffy2]

(from the article
The Rev. Rick Scarborough, a leading evangelical, frames the movement as the civil rights struggle of the 21st century. "Christians," he said, "are going to have to take a stand for the right to be Christian." ...

A recent survey by the Anti-Defamation League found that 64% of American adults — including 80% of evangelical Christians — agreed with the statement "Religion is under attack in this country."

Yes, those POOOOOR Christians. How horriable for them to enjoy the majority status they have in this country and the politicans they have in their pockets.

It's more of the same "Bill O'liely" crap - our local paper carried a story the other day about how "Easter" is "under attack" because a few cities referred to the bunny as a "Spring Bunny" (sure, sounds stupid, but what the heck does a rabbit have to do with the holy ressurection of Jesus Christ anyway????) - it's all nothing more than a conservative media effort to make the masses feel "persecuted" against so they can be manipulated into voting for certain politicans come election time and backing extreme legislation. Someone else used these same tactics in the 1930's ....hum, who was it now, could it have been ...Hitler?

 

[Cor44432]

Sounds like a publicity stunt to me......I don't get my way so I'll take it
to the courts and sue.

Seems like there needs to be a distinction between intolerance and discrimination.

All groups,not just gays, scale-challenged, or fundamentalists whatever religion,
but all groups need to stop being so thin-skinned about what people say about
them. Stop giving the intolerant people who are barking the loudest the time
of day and maybe they'll stop if there's no one there to listen to them.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Well, I happen to agree with the girl. The 1st Ammendment seems to protect all types of outrageous speech. And I don't even think it's that outrageous for fundamental Christians to speak out against gays.

Exactly!

It's not outrageous at all. Christians can and should speak out against immoral lifestyles (especially with the "day of silence" coming up this month in our children's schools).

 

[declansdad]

Exactly!

It's not outrageous at all. Christians can and should speak out against immoral lifestyles (especially with the "day of silence" coming up this month in our children's schools).

I'm sorry but you will never convince me that speaking out against others is what being a chrstian is about.

 

[VickiVM]

It's a shame that a significant minority of Christians regard bigotry as a cornerstone of their faith. They are in essence arguing that homosexuals should be subject to harassment, which is simply despicable. With all of the problems in the world that could be ameliorated through ecumenical collaboration, some fundamentalists have opted to spend their time demonizing innocent people and devising ways to make life intolerable for them. Very pathetic and sad.

People do have a right to free speech, but they do not have a right to harass and intimidate an entire group of people or the right to interfere with their fellow Americans' right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Fundamentalist groups do have the right to speak out against homosexuality and as much as I disapprove of the message, I agree with their right to free speech. The same goes for KKK and other hate groups.

I strongly disapprove of the fundamentalist agenda, but I don't harass or discriminate against religious fundamentalists. I provide them with the same respect that I would want to receive in return.

Even though LukeDC uses words I don't know (ameliorated), I tend to agree. My pastor whom I highly regard gave a sermon last fall about issues such as these and how we as Christians should respond. Essentially it is the simplest response - Luke 10:27 And he answered, "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

I think the loving your neighbor part is pretty significant and important enough for Jesus to command us to do, yet we spend a huge amount of time and energy tearing our neigbors down. Does anyone really believe public condemnation will "reform and save" homosexuals - and I'm assuming that's their purpose, because intolerance towards anyone just for the sake of intolerance surely won't sit well with God.

 

[arminnie]

Yes, those POOOOOR Christians. How horriable for them to enjoy the majority status they have in this country and the politicans they have in their pockets.

Are you really saying that it's okay to disparage a group that has majority status and has politicians in their fold?

Because if you are then you are okaying racism against blacks here in New Orleans - a city with a majority black population (even now post Katrina) and with a black mayor, city council, school board, head of Entergy, etc. Blacks control virtually all of the political scene here.

Your avowed standards (majority status with political control) would seem to approve of bad-mouthing blacks in New Orleans. I really don't think you mean that. Again - bigotry is bigotry.

 

[RickinNYC]

I'm sorry but you will never convince me that speaking out against others is what being a chrstian is about.

Wow, couldn't have said it better if I tried, holding a dictionary in one hand and a Bible in the other.