Chivalry please-a vent

[eliza61]

Is this what the world is coming to? You are the people we are complaining about. My complaint isn't about me having to stand it's about being on the bus holding a two year old not able to turn back around and get off. How would you have felt if I fell with her--or fell on you with her and hurt YOU or your family member? Manners should be expected from people-we don't expect those people standing to turn and fart in our faces-what is that called--oh yeah MANNERS.

But Pirate, Your daughter is YOUR responsiblity. why do I have to give up my seat because you can't control her or guarantee her safety. You saw the bus was crowded did you not. why didn't your daughter stand if you were concerned with her safety? You cannot legislate morality!! As ugly as it is, in this country I have the right to be selfish and rude.

 

[daisyduck123]

I see both sides to the issue but honestly some of you are really ready to jump on her when I bet you would have felt the same way had you been the one in her place.

That's just it though...she put herself & her children in that position. My children never, ever even rode a WDW bus at that age. In fact, at 11yo & 14yo, that is one reason that we still drive to the parks....so that we won't be in that predicament.

 

[eliza61]

But isn't the OP having a "me me me" complex that is just different than the one before? She wants the seats from someone else when there are plenty of other options (waiting for another bus, renting a car, etc.)

Most definitely. For some reason, because she gave birth some how translate to special privelages such as a seat on a crowded bus. I also mourn the lack of manners in todays society. I also hate the "I deserve" entitlement attitude that is so apparent in society.

 

[kadesha]

As ugly as it is, in this country I have the right to be selfish and rude.

And that's what's wrong with this country, people with mindsets like this. Not even talking about the bus anymore just in general.

Sure no one deserves the seat but it's just natural for many people to give up their seat for children.

 

[OandA]

She is holding a baby, that is different from a perfectly healthy woman expecting for a man to give up their seat. I wouldn't feel compfertable sitting down relaxing while a person in front of me is hanging on for dear life, and holding a 2 year old. I don't think the OP is expecting someone with a child on their lap, or someone with a hidden medical condition to give up their seat, or an eldery person seat. She was just saying, back in the good old days, a man would stand up, and say, "you and your child sit".

Back in the good old days when that happened women weren't allowed to vote and were considered second class citizens. Now they're being treated as equals. I think it's horrible she was pushed away from her child and that should not have happened. However, you can't go onto a bus with this sense of false entitlement to being given priority. If you feel so strongly about sitting, rent a car.

 

[Cinderella94]

Back in the good old days when that happened women weren't allowed to vote and were considered second class citizens. Now they're being treated as equals. I think it's horrible she was pushed away from her child and that should not have happened. However, you can't go onto a bus with this sense of false entitlement to being given priority. If you feel so strongly about sitting, rent a car.

 

[maxiesmom]

And that's what's wrong with this country....

What is selfish and what is rude is subjective. Some think it is rude to get on a bus and not have someone else offer you their seat. Others think it is rude to get on a bus and expect someone to give you their seat.

 

[eliza61]

And that's what's wrong with this country....

Actually that is what right about this country. Personal Freedom. I may not like your life style or beliefs but I will die to defend your right to live your life style and beliefs.

 

[kadesha]

What is selfish and what is rude is subjective. Some think it is rude to get on a bus and not have someone else offer you their seat. Others think it is rude to get on a bus and expect someone to give you their seat.

Obviously no one should expect it. I just think it's common courtesy. I just could not sit comfortably while I watch a person with a small child have a hard time. Please excuse my morals, but I will always offer my seat to anyone who appears to need it more than me.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

To the OP, this is something I've complained about in the past as well. I love WDW and have visited numerous times and normally the behavior of other guests doesn't faze me. However, the bus situation always seems to bring out both the best and worst of people.

You're completely right that chivalry is gone. If someone is standing with a sleeping child and the bus stops immediately, that child is in severe danger of falling and hurting not only him or herself, but could also injure those sitting. Not only is it the nice thing to do, it's also safer for everyone involved as that parent may not be able to make it off the bus (the OP posted that she was shoved aside and was separated from her twins). I always give up my seat to someone who needs it more than I do and I have my boys do the same. And yes, I too have one of those "hidden" disabilities as I have gout and after being on my feet a long time, they will become painful even when I don't have a flare-up.

Although I understand some posters position that no one should expect a seat, it still doesn't mean that it's not rude for someone to sit while another fellow human being is struggling with a sleeping or tired child. I will even give others the benefit of the doubt about not giving up a seat to a child or senior citizen. This is giving up a seat for someone with a sleeping child which is a safety hazard and should not be permitted. However, sometimes it's too late and the person holding the child can't do anything about it. The one and only time I had to stand with a sleeping child, I thought that there was still plenty of room. Needless to say, I never made that mistake again. Since then, if we needed seats we stepped aside to make sure that we were the first one's on the next bus. Interestingly, one time we did this when we stepped back in line, the family behind us thought we were cutting in front of them and were quite rude when expressing their displeasure.

We now avoid the bus issues by renting a car every visit. It makes us a much happier family. Plus, we get places a lot quicker.

 

[DaisyD]

You are right LilyWDW-I don't know the people on the bus but what do you think the odds are that out of all the people sitting all of them have medical problems? Not very likely. Heck someone could have even offered to hold her. FYI on several occasions we did wait for another bus.

How do you know the men and teenagers on the bus didn't wait for that bus for the seats? They could have passed on a previous standing room only bus just to get seats in the next one. I have no problems with people not giving up their seats for any reason. If they are tired, disabled, whatever, doesn't matter to me. They got the seats first, they get to keep them. It certainly isn't rude to keep them. I just don't understand the "it's not polite" to keep your seat.

My mom is 77 years old. When we were riding the buses she could not stand on them while the bus was in motion. If a bus pulled up and it was standing room only, then we just waited for another bus. Sure, we were tired from a day at the park but I'm sure everyone else was to.

When I was pregnant many years ago with little kids in tow we did the same thing. If the bus had no seats open, we waited for one that did. Sure the kids were tired but they were a lot happier sitting on the curb waiting for another bus then whining and hanging on for dear life on a moving bus.

I would never expect anyone to give up their seats for us. Nor would I think it is rude or impolite for others to continue to sit. If you need a seat by all means wait for a bus that has them. So simple.

 

[Marquis de Disney]

Honestly, I would feel horrible for whoever fell on a crowded bus. But if you get on a crowded bus with a child and then you both fall, I would think you are an irresponsible parent. It is your job to protect your child! If you cannot stand with your child on a bus and be safe, then for goodness sake don't get on the bus!! It is YOUR JOB to keep your child safe, not the job of total strangers!

Well said!

 

[Lizziejane]

good grief... whatever happened to common sense?! A woman standing, holding a child is a safety hazard, not only to themselves, but those around them. Don't know about you, but I don't want someone and their kid falling on me...so I'd give up my seat. I grew up in England and not got used to the north american bussing - over there, 4 or 5 people are allowed to stand in the aisle - if that happens, they won't pick up any more people.

And I don't care what anyone says...it's a sad, sad world where people are more concerned about their own rights - oh, not serious Human Rights issues, like the right to vote....but a "I was here first!" mentality. To the point that 99% of people would sit and watch a woman fall over with a child in their arms before getting off their butts.

 

[blissventure]

Wow. Just Wow.
I'll still put the needs of a tiny child first. Mom and child can have my seat without a second thought from me.
Call it pixie dust, karma, or just my personal ethics--life's too short for me to just wait and see if a three year old falls on a crowded bus.


This thread has been educational, now I'm backing away.

 

[Cinderella94]

To the point that 99% of people would sit and watch a woman fall over with a child in their arms before getting off their butts.

She didn't have to get on the bus though.

 

[OandA]

Obviously no one should expect it. I just think it's common courtesy. I just could not sit comfortably while I watch a person with a small child have a hard time. Please excuse my morals, but I will always offer my seat to anyone who appears to need it more than me.

That's great that you would do that. Where do you stop though? Someone will always need everything you have more than you. I'm sure someone could use your paycheck more than you, or your house, or your kids toys. Are you going to go give all of those away?

 

[Lizziejane]

nobody HAS to do ANYTHING. apparently.

 

[ldymcbth]

My guideline has always been that if I think someone needs my seat more than I do, I will offer it to them.

This thread has sealed the deal, though, that I will be driving my van to the parks this trip even though we are staying on property. I will have my 2 kids by myself while my husband is in conferences, and I can't afford to get separated from my 2 1/2 year old!

 

[NYY2SMP]

iI love the buses and everything but the only thing I don't like is that people on ECV get on first before people that have been waiting for who knows how long and it is even worse when there whole entire group gets on and some times it is like 10 people with them. Nothing against people who use EVC but it would be better if the got in line like the rest of us.

 

[Lizziejane]

That's great that you would do that. Where do you stop though? Someone will always need everything you have more than you. I'm sure someone could use your paycheck more than you, or your house, or your kids toys. Are you going to go give all of those away?

ok, this is my last viewpoint on the subject then I promise to be quiet. Call it a simple act of kindness. One that doesn't cost anything. Paying it forward. Karma.

Just a random act of kindness. How hard can it be?