Children in hospital fighting for their lives!

HappyLawyer

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Ok so on the news last night we see that children in orlando 9 of them in the hospital for kidney failure resulting from their visits to petting zoo's, the areas around the zoo were swabbed and lots of bacteria and ecoli -not sure on spelling were found, this has me concerned-anyone else
 
WOW!! That is alarming. But I'm not going to drive myself crazy with it. I feel we are pretty safe considering we can't go to petting zoos. My kids allergies are so bad that petting zoos are out of the question. And good hygine will go a long way in preventing illnesses. I did find some useful info

What is E. coli?

E. coli includes a group of bacteria normally found in human and animal intestines. Of the hundreds of types of E. coli, most are harmless. In the 1960s, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identified certain strains of E. coli as a major cause of diarrhea among travelers and children in the developing world. Even after such infections began appearing in the United States, they attracted little attention because the illnesses were rarely life-threatening.

That changed when the CDC identified a particularly virulent strain — E. coli O157:H7 — as the cause of the 1982 outbreak. It produces powerful toxins which can cause severe, bloody diarrhea, kidney failure and even death. The CDC estimates that this strain of E. coli infects 73,000 people and causes 61 deaths each year.

Undercooked, contaminated ground beef isn't the only source of E. coli O157:H7 infections. You can also get sick from consuming contaminated:

Alfalfa sprouts
Lettuce
Dry cured sausage
Salami
Undercooked roast beef
Unpasteurized milk, apple juice and apple cider

Once the harmful types of E. coli enter your body, they attach to the cells lining your intestine and begin to multiply. As the bacteria grow in numbers, they release toxins that damage the lining of your intestine, causing cramping and diarrhea.

How is E. coli spread?

The most common sources of E. coli infections — including those caused by E. coli O157:H7 — are:

Contaminated food
E. coli bacteria live naturally in the intestines of many animals, particularly cattle. Contamination can occur through unintentional contact with fecal matter during the slaughter and processing of animal foods or through improper food handling. Ground meat is of special concern because the grinding process can combine meat from many animals and mix bacteria from the meat's surface to its interior.

E. coli can also spread from one surface to another (cross-contamination). For example, bacteria present on the cow's udder or on equipment may be transferred into raw milk.

Infected people
If E. coli is present in the diarrheal stools of an infected family member, for example, it's possible to transfer it to yourself if you don't practice proper hygiene including hand-washing habits. This is especially likely if you have toddlers who aren't toilet trained. The bacteria can even be present in the stools of young children one to two weeks after their diarrhea has improved.

Clean your hands: A simple way to prevent infection

Untreated water
Rain and melting snow can wash E. coli into creeks, rivers, streams, lakes and groundwater. If you drink untreated water or use ice from these sources, you may become infected with the bacteria.

Public water systems treat water with chlorine, ultraviolet light or ozone to kill E. coli. If such water becomes contaminated, the water supplier is required by law to notify you. If you have a private well, have it tested once a year for germs including E. coli. Contact your state health department to help find a nearby laboratory that's certified to conduct such tests.

E. coli also can be present in swimming pools and beaches. To prevent possible infection, avoid swallowing pool or lake water while swimming.

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DG/00005.html
 
I saw some of the kids on the news, screaming in pain. It was so sad. I always make my kids wash thier hands after going to a petting zoo, and I carry hand sanitizer.
 
E coli is very serious. All zoos, petting zoos or animal ride places by us have handwashing stations when you get out. If they don't, then I would worry that they aren't sanitary enough. If you get to one of those places look to see if there is a animal feces left in the area where the kids go. At the Philly Zoo, where we go frequently, they have someone in there constantly watching for poop. Not the best summer job in the world but hey it pays. :rolleyes:

When you are near animals don't let your children put their hands in their mouths, etc prior to washing them. Since you know how quickly kids wipe their noses, mouths, etc. I usually carry one of those liquid hand sanitizers with me and use this right away. Then we do the full wash up at the sink. And no I am not a germ-a-phobe! When my DD5 was born there was something on TV about a 3 year old dying of E coli from the the kiddie pool at a water park. I'm more afraid of not being able to see what's in the water then animal feces. Of course I don't keep my DD in a bubble - just do a lot of extra praying. :flower:

Hope this helps! :flower:
 

Here's a link to a couple of stories about it: click here and Here . Very sad. They will be in my prayers. I can only imagine what their parents are going through right now.
 
If you aren't going to any petting zoos I don't think you have to worry. They don't have all the information about the connection between all of them so I think we all need to wait and see the final results.

They also don't have it pinned down to which one in FL caused the problem.
 
This isn't just petting zoos. E-coli (and the sometimes resulting HUS) can be from live animals (petting zoo), dead animals (undercooked hamburger), unpasturized apple juice, and even water parks (from children who don't wear swim diapers). I am a HUS survivor. I nearly died at 5 years old from it. The Boston Children's Hospital saved my life. They don't know where I got it. It was in winter and I was not exposed to any animals. They assume it was from undercooked meat since that is the most-common way to get it and I used to eat hamburgers all the time back then.

The best way to avoid it is for children to ALWAYS eat hamburgers and other meat WELL-DONE. NO PINK. Also, have Purell handy in your car or bag so that you can sanitize their hands after contact with animals, even a dog on the street.
 
My mother picked up e-coli somehow back in October. She was in VERY bad shape. Spent 5 weeks in ICU. She's home now, but still weak. I'll be praying for those poor kids.
 
KimWDW said:
This isn't just petting zoos. E-coli (and the sometimes resulting HUS) can be from live animals (petting zoo), dead animals (undercooked hamburger), unpasturized apple juice, and even water parks (from children who don't wear swim diapers). I am a HUS survivor. I nearly died at 5 years old from it. The Boston Children's Hospital saved my life. They don't know where I got it. It was in winter and I was not exposed to any animals. They assume it was from undercooked meat since that is the most-common way to get it and I used to eat hamburgers all the time back then.

The best way to avoid it is for children to ALWAYS eat hamburgers and other meat WELL-DONE. NO PINK. Also, have Purell handy in your car or bag so that you can sanitize their hands after contact with animals, even a dog on the street.

I am sure we all know it is not jsut petting zoo's for the purpose of this post, it has occurred at petting zoo's in orlando, I was not trying to say this is the only way to get it, i was just talking about the news last night about these 9 kids in florida
 
Happy - someone else said, "If you aren't going to any petting zoos I don't think you have to worry," so I wanted to make sure everyone here knew there were other ways to get it, too, and how to prevent it. I wouldn't want anyone's children here to go through that. Hope you don't mind me sharing my experience with others. Most people I talk to have no idea what HUS is.
 
KimWDW said:
Happy - someone else said, "If you aren't going to any petting zoos I don't think you have to worry," so I wanted to make sure everyone here knew there were other ways to get it, too, and how to prevent it. I wouldn't want anyone's children here to go through that. Hope you don't mind me sharing my experience with others. Most people I talk to have no idea what HUS is.


I agree, especially when you look at it this way, you might not go to the zoo but suppose you come in contact with someone who has, and kids play, touch hands etc, all i can suggest is get the hand sanitizer and carry it use it after everything, you can never be too careful
 
Everyone concerned about what the original poster was concerned about should re-read Eeyore'sthebest's post. Petting zoos are one of the easiest places to come in contact with e-coli, due to animal feces. Even the cleanest petting zoo can't do much about that. Take notice that in Disney's planning DVD there's a snippet of a petting zoo followed by a snippet of kids washing up at a very cool-looking hand-washing station. It's just common sense -- barnyard, undiapered animals, feces, e-coli. Common sense should prevail about hand-washing. And by the way, an e-coli infection is not contagious from one person to another, unless of course they live in a barnyard and allow others to come in contact with their feces.

So lighten up, Orlando is not some terrible breeding ground for e-coli that we as good parents should avoid. Let's pray for the little ones who are sick, and take normal common sense precautions to keep our own little ones healthy.

-- Eric
 
CleveRocks said:
Everyone concerned about what the original poster was concerned about should re-read Eeyore'sthebest's post. Petting zoos are one of the easiest places to come in contact with e-coli, due to animal feces. Even the cleanest petting zoo can't do much about that. Take notice that in Disney's planning DVD there's a snippet of a petting zoo followed by a snippet of kids washing up at a very cool-looking hand-washing station. It's just common sense -- barnyard, undiapered animals, feces, e-coli. Common sense should prevail about hand-washing. And by the way, an e-coli infection is not contagious from one person to another, unless of course they live in a barnyard and allow others to come in contact with their feces.

So lighten up, Orlando is not some terrible breeding ground for e-coli that we as good parents should avoid. Let's pray for the little ones who are sick, and take normal common sense precautions to keep our own little ones healthy.

-- Eric



I am very curious why you feel you should tell people to lighten up, who said orlando was a terrible place, who is bad mouthing orlando, this can happen anywhere, it just so happens right now orlando is where the attention is. It amazes me how there always has to be one person on every thread telling people what to do
 
HappyLawyer said:
I am very curious why you feel you should tell people to lighten up, who said orlando was a terrible place, who is bad mouthing orlando, this can happen anywhere, it just so happens right now orlando is where the attention is. It amazes me how there always has to be one person on every thread telling people what to do

Curious why I feel I should tell people to lighten up?

This is such a terrible thing so worthy of your scorn? I was advocating for hand-washing, as well as encouraging people not to have unnecessary stress about traveling to Orlando. Why are you so angry with me for trying to get people to not panic? I'm curious why this angers you so.

You ask who is bad-mouthing Orlando, who said Orlando is such a terrible place?

I never said you were bad-mouthing it, just that you were concerned it was a center of an outbreak endangering the lives of children. You now say, "It just so happens right now Orlando is where the attention is." If you said that in the original post it would have made it more clear that you were asking for opinions of e-coli problems IN GENERAL and not specifically in Orlando. Why would I think you were talking ONLY about Orlando? You mention Orlando, a zoo in Orlando, sick children in Orlando, you're on a Disney World message board ... hmm, in lawyer-speak, "res ipse loquitor."

So it amazes you how there always has to be one person on every thread telling people what to do?

I thought I was trying to help. I guess I'm just a terrible person who misunderstood you. You're right, and you've certainly put me in my place. How dare I tell people what to do! How dare I try to help! The NERVE of people like me!!! I'm no Albert Schweitzer, but for God's sake you're making me out to be some jerk trying to boss people around. "Mirror, mirror, on the wall ...."

Peace.
[Legal Notice: The aforementioned word "Peace" should in no way be construed or interpreted as a direction, instruction, or other instrument of the author's attempt to will the actions of another party or parties who may have read it or had others read it to them, insofar as such might be necessary as permitted in accordance with the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 [42 USC 12101]. The purpose of using the word "Peace" includes, but is not limited to, conveyance of an expression of the author's hope for the tenor of any future communications, correspondence, actions, and or otherwise expressed thoughts, at present and in perpetuity. The author, including his heirs, assignees, agents, and any and all individuals with whom he has enjoined in a JTWROS, is hereby released from liability and shall be held blameless for any person or persons reading this or having it read to them who lack, or appear to lack, a discernible sense of humor.]
 
Quoting you: So lighten up, Orlando is not some terrible breeding ground for e-coli that we as good parents should avoid


believe it or not, it really does not bother me but some people do not like being told to lighten up why should they,, they can still be concerned no one said it was a terrible breeding ground and no one is going to stop going to fl because of it, perhaps your comments were not meant in a way telling people what to do -"lighten up" this is the way i read it,
I advocate for all
 
CleveRocks said:
Curious why I feel I should tell people to lighten up?

This is such a terrible thing so worthy of your scorn? I was advocating for hand-washing, as well as encouraging people not to have unnecessary stress about traveling to Orlando. Why are you so angry with me for trying to get people to not panic? I'm curious why this angers you so.

You ask who is bad-mouthing Orlando, who said Orlando is such a terrible place?

I never said you were bad-mouthing it, just that you were concerned it was a center of an outbreak endangering the lives of children. You now say, "It just so happens right now Orlando is where the attention is." If you said that in the original post it would have made it more clear that you were asking for opinions of e-coli problems IN GENERAL and not specifically in Orlando. Why would I think you were talking ONLY about Orlando? You mention Orlando, a zoo in Orlando, sick children in Orlando, you're on a Disney World message board ... hmm, in lawyer-speak, "res ipse loquitor."

So it amazes you how there always has to be one person on every thread telling people what to do?

I thought I was trying to help. I guess I'm just a terrible person who misunderstood you. You're right, and you've certainly put me in my place. How dare I tell people what to do! How dare I try to help! The NERVE of people like me!!! I'm no Albert Schweitzer, but for God's sake you're making me out to be some jerk trying to boss people around. "Mirror, mirror, on the wall ...."

Peace.
[Legal Notice: The aforementioned word "Peace" should in no way be construed or interpreted as a direction, instruction, or other instrument of the author's attempt to will the actions of another party or parties who may have read it or had others read it to them, insofar as such might be necessary as permitted in accordance with the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 [42 USC 12101]. The purpose of using the word "Peace" includes, but is not limited to, conveyance of an expression of the author's hope for the tenor of any future communications, correspondence, actions, and or otherwise expressed thoughts, at present and in perpetuity. The author, including his heirs, assignees, agents, and any and all individuals with whom he has enjoined in a JTWROS, is hereby released from liability and shall be held blameless for any person or persons reading this or having it read to them who lack, or appear to lack, a discernible sense of humor.]



ps i did say orlando see : children in orlando
i think we are all intelligent enough to realize it can happen anywhere, but anywhere was not in the news Orlando was so really do not have to spell that one out, this was an informative post to inform people of what is going on and if any had concerns, i will not turn this thread into an argument or debate because this is not what it is here for, i you care to post positive respones to me i will gladly reply back, but i an too tired and to busy to argue with anyone on this issue

enjoy your day
 
KimWDW said:
This isn't just petting zoos. E-coli (and the sometimes resulting HUS) can be from live animals (petting zoo), dead animals (undercooked hamburger), unpasturized apple juice, and even water parks (from children who don't wear swim diapers). I am a HUS survivor. I nearly died at 5 years old from it. The Boston Children's Hospital saved my life. They don't know where I got it. It was in winter and I was not exposed to any animals. They assume it was from undercooked meat since that is the most-common way to get it and I used to eat hamburgers all the time back then.

The best way to avoid it is for children to ALWAYS eat hamburgers and other meat WELL-DONE. NO PINK. Also, have Purell handy in your car or bag so that you can sanitize their hands after contact with animals, even a dog on the street.


Thank you for the additional information. :)
 
HappyLawyer said:
ps i did say orlando see : children in orlando
i think we are all intelligent enough to realize it can happen anywhere, but anywhere was not in the news Orlando was so really do not have to spell that one out, this was an informative post to inform people of what is going on and if any had concerns, i will not turn this thread into an argument or debate because this is not what it is here for, i you care to post positive respones to me i will gladly reply back, but i an too tired and to busy to argue with anyone on this issue

enjoy your day

I intended my original post to be helpful and POSITIVE; I didn't see it as pushy or negative. My second post was my response to being vilified. Thanks for telling me to enjoy me day, Happy, but don't tell me what to do!!! :rotfl: PEACE. :love2:
 
CleveRocks said:
I intended my original post to be helpful and POSITIVE; I didn't see it as pushy or negative. My second post was my response to being vilified. Thanks for telling me to enjoy me day, Happy, but don't tell me what to do!!! :rotfl: PEACE. :love2:

i'll make a suggestion grow up, i'm done dealing with you
 
HappyLawyer said:
i'll make a suggestion grow up, i'm done dealing with you

Happy, my last line ( "don't tell me what to do") was a joke! I was trying to, and I quote myself, lighten things up! I know that humor doesn't always translate in writing as opposed to face-to-face speaking, so that's why I included the smileys, one laughing and the other "kissing and making up." Geez.

Did anyone else think my last post was offensive to Happy??? If so, I really want to know, because I truly intend to be funny and "light" rather than offensive. Even if he/she won't talk to me, will someone please let me know if I've been offensive or in need of growing up (I'm 38)? ALL JOKING ASIDE, I know I'm new here and perhaps the posts I've done are not a good fit with these boards. If they're not a good fit, I don't want to rain on others' parades, so I'll either rein it in or stop posting, whatever would be appropriate. Again, no sarcasm or humor here, I'm serious. I realize nobody likes an obnoxious guest, and I don't want to be that guy. Again, this is a serious request, I'm not being funny or passive-agressive or anything here.

-- Eric
 


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