Chicago Cubs fans - Rebuilding Year 2023

[FINFAN]

Sadly, I missed that game (too many other events going on). I wonder if there will be a clip of that somewhere...although since it went against us, maybe better for me not to see it. Organic (toxin free) living is way better.

Here ya go.. Miggy stepping over 1st to avoid spiking Wainright in the ankle which would have been a brutal injury. Given that Metheny is the type to block a runner any way he can..Wainrights stance does not surprise me one bit.

 

[FINFAN]

Ya know, I've looked at the clip now and I'd like to say...
I don't like the slide rule
Not because this one happened to go against us, but because of the following:
1) If someone happens to mis-judge and slide face first and eat dirt (last week's game), are they out?
2) I'm think (hope) I'm not the only one who has slid into a base and not been able to hold the bag (even if there's no play there) --- it happens
3) If you're not going in spikes up or going out of the base path to intentionally try hurt the other player, it's BASEBALL

I realize they're trying to protect the players and I'm not advocating for them to get hurt, but don't take away from the game in the name of safety.

ITA...ironic how Metheny coaches his players to block at all costs but "supports" the slide rule for safety to quote him:
"For us to put guys intentionally in a situation where they can get hurt just doesn’t make sense.” Maybe you shouldn't coach to put themselves in harms way then. Wainright should have had his side foot to the inside of the bag, not his leg in front of it.

Happ was legal on that slide... but Fowler takes Addie out in the Opener and that's peachy...OK

Here was Chase Utley's slide, which started this whole slide rule deal. You tell me if Happ of Fowler was closer to Utley...guarantee you it was Fowler

Note how far from Addie is from 2nd base

NO CALL ON DEX

Happ~
https://www.fanragsports.com/now/ian-happ-gets-called-illegal-slide-second/

 

[robinb]

Ya know, I've looked at the clip now and I'd like to say...
I don't like the slide rule
Not because this one happened to go against us, but because of the following:
1) If someone happens to mis-judge and slide face first and eat dirt (last week's game), are they out?
2) I'm think (hope) I'm not the only one who has slid into a base and not been able to hold the bag (even if there's no play there) --- it happens
3) If you're not going in spikes up or going out of the base path to intentionally try hurt the other player, it's BASEBALL

I realize they're trying to protect the players and I'm not advocating for them to get hurt, but don't take away from the game in the name of safety.

What I don't understand is why Happ's slide violated the rule while Fowler's slide a few weeks ago did not. Happ slid directly into second base while Fowler swung his legs to take Addie out. BOTH players overslid the base.

 

[FINFAN]

What I don't understand is why Happ's slide violated the rule while Fowler's slide a few weeks ago did not. Happ slid directly into second base while Fowler swung his legs to take Addie out. BOTH players overslid the base.

just posted it..yep... why is a very good question illustrating that the rule needs to go. An Ump can call a dirty slide without this bogus rule.

 

[FINFAN]

One of the commentators commented that he was just doing (sliding into base) what your taught from the beginning to do. Definitely a frustrating moment within a frustrating game

On a bright note...the hubs gave me a Dooney & Burke cross body purse in the Cubs pattern for Mom's Day. Very cute!

going to look pretty posh with that Zobie jersey

 

[docsoliday1]

just posted it..yep... why is a very good question illustrating that the rule needs to go. An Ump can call a dirty slide without this bogus rule.

Obviously, you can never know the players intent (may have been deliberate, may have been a brain fart, may have been simply muscle memory taking over). If you go out of the baseline or come in spikes up, that intent is much less subjective. As I said, I don't WANT someone to get hurt, but occasionally, it does happen.

 

[docsoliday1]

One of the commentators commented that he was just doing (sliding into base) what your taught from the beginning to do. Definitely a frustrating moment within a frustrating game

On a bright note...the hubs gave me a Dooney & Burke cross body purse in the Cubs pattern for Mom's Day. Very cute!

Yes, you're taught to try to slide to the base and if the guy's foot is there and you can disrupt his throw to 1st, it's a bonus. I think they're (the middle infielders) are already given the "safer" option since really they just have to be in the vicinity and not actually touching the base, so why penalize the runner for attempting to prevent the DP? As I said, going out of the baseline to get them or coming in spikes up, I absolutely think they should be called out. OTOH, as was the case with this one, if there isn't a play, then don't call it. (Kinda like pass interference in football...if there was no way for the guy to catch the ball anyway, then interference is a moot point).

 

[docsoliday1]

What I don't understand is why Happ's slide violated the rule while Fowler's slide a few weeks ago did not. Happ slid directly into second base while Fowler swung his legs to take Addie out. BOTH players overslid the base.

Agreed!

Sadly, it's because umpires, just like the rest of us aren't infallible and what one considers an infraction another may not. They're pretty consistent, but each umpire has his own strike zone and/or things that he's more/less likely to call. I think swinging your legs out is much more flagrant, but then again, I'm not a professional umpire, so my thought doesn't count in this case.

 

[FINFAN]

2016 playoff teams so far this season to put things into perspective


Indians 19-17
Red Sox 19-18
Cubs 18-19
Rangers 19-20
Mets 16-20
Blue Jays 17-21
Giants 15-24

 

[Pacolovestacos]

Fin are you trying to skew stats? You left out 3 of the teams from 2016 playoffs who are doing awesome now.

Dodgers 22-16
Nationals 24-13
Orioles 22-14

And to further add, I think we can all agree that Dodgers and Nats were obviously the 2 biggest challenges facing the Cubs in an effort to make the WS again. And they are doing fantastic, we are not!

 

[Missy1961]

And don't forget the team with the best record in the majors, coming off a weekend in which they won 3 of 4 against the Yanks, the Astros, who are 27-12. And we shouldn't forget the Yankees, who are 22-13.

 

[Pacolovestacos]

Houston looks amazing right now. They narrowly missed the playoffs last year but that was mostly because of youth. They are legit this year.

 

[docsoliday1]

And don't forget the team with the best record in the majors, coming off a weekend in which they won 3 of 4 against the Yanks, the Astros, who are 27-12. And we shouldn't forget the Yankees, who are 22-13.

Hey Missy...good to have you here. Both your and Fin's post illustrate just how hard it is to repeat unless you don't have many changes to the roster and if you don't have stiff competition. The competition is stiff!

 

[docsoliday1]

Here ya go.. Miggy stepping over 1st to avoid spiking Wainright in the ankle which would have been a brutal injury. Given that Metheny is the type to block a runner any way he can..Wainrights stance does not surprise me one bit.

Did he even have the ball? It looks like his glove is empty. I can't recall the specific rules about first base, but I didn't think the fielder could legally block the bag. The rules may have changed also (like the stupid slide rule). On the other hand, if he's watching the play/ball and just puts his foot back feeling for the bag, then that can happen. I agree...kudos to Miggy for stepping over instead of the alternative.

 

[FINFAN]

Did he even have the ball? It looks like his glove is empty. I can't recall the specific rules about first base, but I didn't think the fielder could legally block the bag. The rules may have changed also (like the stupid slide rule). On the other hand, if he's watching the play/ball and just puts his foot back feeling for the bag, then that can happen. I agree...kudos to Miggy for stepping over instead of the alternative.

I think he did have the ball but good point...I was paying attention to Miggy, and then Wainright giving Miggy a "thank you" for doing what he did. Metheny played block the runner all the time as a catcher, he coaches his guys to do the same, which is what I find so about him championing for the "safety" of players with the 2nd base rule. When Cog's did the circus move over Molina last month I could not have been happier it was against STL/Metheny, lol..

Metheny's probably trying to get a "no air" rule too

 

[docsoliday1]

I think he did have the ball but good point...I was paying attention to Miggy, and then Wainright giving Miggy a "thank you" for doing what he did. Metheny played block the runner all the time as a catcher, he coaches his guys to do the same, which is what I find so about him championing for the "safety" of players with the 2nd base rule. When Cog's did the circus move over Molina last month I could not have been happier it was against STL/Metheny, lol..View attachment 237585

Metheny's probably trying to get a "no air" rule too

I have mixed emotions about that play and blocking the plate in general. While I realize you want to try to prevent the runner from scoring and that's part of the game, I dislike blocking the plate. It's really an unfair advantage for the catcher...he has shin guards and chest protector...the runner has a helmet (if it's still on his head). It's kinda like in football giving the defensive back pads, but the receiver has nothing...sure you can try to get by me, but it's gonna hurt you more (and more often) than me. At least sliding into a base, the defensive player either moves their foot or gets spiked (your call buddy). Also, at that point, it's not about does the ball get to me and I tag you before you can get to the bag/plate and more about collision force. I think WAY more people get injured that way than by a stupid slide into 2nd trying to break up a double play.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I have mixed emotions about that play and blocking the plate in general. While I realize you want to try to prevent the runner from scoring and that's part of the game, I dislike blocking the plate. It's really an unfair advantage for the catcher...he has shin guards and chest protector...the runner has a helmet (if it's still on his head). It's kinda like in football giving the defensive back pads, but the receiver has nothing...sure you can try to get by me, but it's gonna hurt you more (and more often) than me. At least sliding into a base, the defensive player either moves their foot or gets spiked (your call buddy). Also, at that point, it's not about does the ball get to me and I tag you before you can get to the bag/plate and more about collision force. I think WAY more people get injured that way than by a stupid slide into 2nd trying to break up a double play.

If the catcher (or other player) blocks the base path without the ball, the runner SHOULD be awarded the base. Period. Every time!.

On the flip side, if the runner runs out of the base path to disrupt a throw, or over slides the bag, it should be an automatic out.

And neither are called correctly on a regular basis IMO.

 

[docsoliday1]

If the catcher (or other player) blocks the base path without the ball, the runner SHOULD be awarded the base. Period. Every time!.

On the flip side, if the runner runs out of the base path to disrupt a throw, or over slides the bag, it should be an automatic out.

And neither are called correctly on a regular basis IMO.

But, what if a player mis-judges and slides short and takes a mouthful of dirt in the process? Should that be an automatic out?

 

[Gumbo4x4]

But, what if a player mis-judges and slides short and takes a mouthful of dirt in the process? Should that be an automatic out?

Only if it's a force out or they get tagged before they can stagger to the base

 

[kilroy1966]

Loved the Cincinnati Reds "Bandwagon Cam"