CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[jlwhitney]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1381751528113995782

I kinda suspected this is what would be found to be true since virus pretty much don't mutate to cause more sever disease, its not in their advantage.

This isn't great news.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Will have to see how it shakes out, could be a blip or something bigger. But the other two have strong productions now that it may be okay, the bigger issue is that the 1 and done was gonna be better for certain areas/populations.

This would have been a big motivator for me. I did not get any time off and drove over an hour to get me vaccine in January/February. My kids would have loved that as well. I am surprised that the extra money did not get them to act but not wearing a mask will?? Very interesting.

Because many people flat out hate wearing a mask and still find them uncomfortable and hot.

 

[anniemae]

I wonder how long they will pause the J&J? I have friends who have appts. for this weekend for J&J. I am guessing they will cancel? That will put a lot of pressure on the other two vaccines and I think appts. will be hard to find if J&J is out of the game. Or, people won't want J&J.

 

[Pyotr]

Not good news at all. All the clinics around here are using J&J and I think they were ramping up to distribute a lot of doses. Not sure if they will all be canceled until this is figured out. I think it's the same issue as AZ vaccine.

7 million shots given so far. 6 reported blood clots. I don’t agree with the recommendation to stop it.

 

[KingAugie]

7 million shots given so far. 6 reported blood clots. I don’t agree with the recommendation to stop it.

Why not? These vaccines are still essentially in trial. Isn't it better to understand any issues with them?
Most serious side effects from medications are "rare" but we still need to know why they are happening.

 

[Jonfw2]

Plenty of supply without JNJ and with novavax likely coming soon.

 

[jlwhitney]

I wonder how long they will pause the J&J? I have friends who have appts. for this weekend for J&J. I am guessing they will cancel? That will put a lot of pressure on the other two vaccines and I think appts. will be hard to find if J&J is out of the game. Or, people won't want J&J.

Only federal sites are even stopping it, I suspect many other sites will keep using it.

 

[Jonfw2]

Pfizer and Moderna have enough supply pledged to the US by the end of May to vaccinate another 100 million people.

 

[Donaldswife]

I wonder how long they will pause the J&J? I have friends who have appts. for this weekend for J&J. I am guessing they will cancel? That will put a lot of pressure on the other two vaccines and I think appts. will be hard to find if J&J is out of the game. Or, people won't want J&J.

My daughter has an appointment for the J&J this weekend, I made her a back up appointment at a pharmacy with Pfizer just in case. We will watch what happens this week and cancel whichever one we decide not to use as soon as they make a ruling on this.

 

[mrs. magoo]

It is interesting that the blood clot issue reported has been in 6 females. My daughter who is a science person brought up the fact that Birth Control can cause blood clots and she wondered if the people who had the issue were also on birth control. I think that pausing is ok and then putting out a warning if it is warranted. These type of headline though are not the way to go.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news...s-04-13-21/h_bf799f93f7c647c1bfd6d9ce656c2453
Telling someone that are likely going to be ok when it is a 1 in a million chance of having this happen is not the message in my opinion. I have more of a chance of getting hit by a car on my way out of school this afternoon. Like I have posted before my 2 sons both got this vaccine (one 3 weeks ago and 1 last week)

 

[G719]

It is interesting that the blood clot issue reported has been in 6 females. My daughter who is a science person brought up the fact that Birth Control can cause blood clots and she wondered if the people who had the issue were also on birth control. I think that pausing is ok and then putting out a warning if it is warranted. These type of headline though are not the way to go.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news...s-04-13-21/h_bf799f93f7c647c1bfd6d9ce656c2453
Telling someone that are likely going to be ok when it is a 1 in a million chance of having this happen is not the message in my opinion. I have more of a chance of getting hit by a car on my way out of school this afternoon. Like I have posted before my 2 sons both got this vaccine (one 3 weeks ago and 1 last week)

I wondered the same thing about the birth control and if there was some connection.

 

[TwoMisfits]

7 million shots given so far. 6 reported blood clots. I don’t agree with the recommendation to stop it.

Especially among men and seniors, who have not experienced this side effect - it is truly limited to one group.

They should keep using it for those populations, while they save the other 2 vaccines for women 18-60 while they sort it out...

 

[Joe in VA]

Already seen quite a few FB posts from ppl saying this is why they’re waiting to get vax or not gonna get it at all. This is not good for hesitancy.

 

[dvcgirl67]

7 million shots given so far. 6 reported blood clots. I don’t agree with the recommendation to stop it.

I understand what you're saying, but the news is out there. Last week we saw reports of this an also of North Carolina and Colorado shutting down J&J vaccine sites due to side effects which included fainting, dizziness..etc, on site. This is the same type of vaccine as the AztraZenica vaccine which has been paused/stopped in several European countries.....so it's best to determine who this might affect....a particular population, etc.

If the FDA determines to continue forward with this vaccine, then government and scientific leaders will really need to be out front reassuring the public. We're lucky in that we still have a good supply of the mRNA vaccines. Other countries aren't as lucky. The problem overall is that this is our only "one and done" solution right now.

My 68 year old neighbor had this vaccine over a month ago. She only had mild side effects, but did report mild dizziness through the next day.

 

[KingAugie]

My daughter has an appointment for the J&J this weekend, I made her a back up appointment at a pharmacy with Pfizer just in case. We will watch what happens this week and cancel whichever one we decide not to use as soon as they make a ruling on this.

When the UK stopped using Astra Zeneca I read an article that stated they were looking into a connection between the AstraZeneca and birth control because it was mostly women who were effected by the blood clots.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Already seen quite a few FB posts from ppl saying this is why they’re waiting to get vax or not gonna get it at all. This is not good for hesitancy.

This is the problem...the hesitancy issue.

 

[dvcgirl67]

When the UK stopped using Astra Zeneca I read an article that stated they were looking into a connection between the AstraZeneca and birth control because it was mostly women who were effected by the blood clots.

Yup...I think this might be where this is headed. Possible link.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

So my state and the one next to me did announce they'll pause the usage of J&J. That will impact my husband's work who was using it for employees, as well as other places that were using them for clinics, etc. ETA: Just got word from my husband his company was able to switch to Moderna to use so that's good.

This comes just a day after a news story came out saying that the production issues last month with J&J didn't and wouldn't seem to be impacting our metro in terms of supply. ETA: looking at the news stories they do list some places that weren't using J&J as they hadn't received shipments of them so hopefully vaccinations don't get slowed down too too much here in my metro but we'll see. KCVA was supposed to be using J&J for today's clinic but advised they were able to switch to Pfizer so it won't impact it.

Statements from each state are:

• "There are reports of six recipients in the United States who developed a rare disorder involving blood clots within about two weeks of vaccination," officials said in a statement. "No known cases have been reported in Kansas to date." Just as important as getting vaccines into arms -- is making sure those vaccines are safe,” Governor Laura Kelly said. “While this appears to have affected six people in the nearly seven million doses administered, out of an abundance of caution, Kansas will suspend Johnson and Johnson until the CDC and FDA clear it for use again. In the meantime, we anticipate our shipments of Pfizer and Moderna to continue and we will build on the one-third of Kansans who have already received their first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine.”

• “In an abundance of caution and as per federal guidelines, we are pausing vaccination with Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine until further notice in Missouri,” said Dr. Randall Williams, director of the DHSS. “We anticipate having more information shortly to make further decisions about overall vaccine distribution in light of this new development and will continue to update citizens who have been vaccinated with the J&J vaccine after the advisory committee meets at the federal level tomorrow.”

Haven't heard the "out of abundance of caution" phrase in a while..

 

[RamblingMad]

7 million shots given so far. 6 reported blood clots. I don’t agree with the recommendation to stop it.

The AZ guidance is that the risk/reward stops making sense for 30 and under. I suspect JnJ will follow, where only older adults can get it. This will slow down vaccinations. And it will create more vaccine hesitancy in the US.

 

[Colleen27]

Why not? These vaccines are still essentially in trial. Isn't it better to understand any issues with them?
Most serious side effects from medications are "rare" but we still need to know why they are happening.

But do we have to suspend use entirely to gain that understanding? We know two things about this complication right now: that it is exceedingly rare and that it is closely, almost perfectly, gender linked. So why not take the approach the UK has with A-Z, which has presented similar risks, and recommend it for older age groups and/or men, while advising women, especially younger women, seek a different vaccine? Because there is one more thing that we know, not about the side effect itself but about the overall situation, and that is that the risk from covid still exceeds the one-in-a-million risk of the complication.

I wondered the same thing about the birth control and if there was some connection.

I can't help thinking about that parallel, not just about the possibility that contraception might play a role but in the difference in how the two drugs are being handled. Depending on what sources you look to, the incidence of blood clots for women on the pill is somewhere between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 10,000. But we still use that after decades upon decades of evidence of clotting being a known and not-all-that-rare side effect. But we're pausing a vaccine against a highly contagious and potentially deadly virus over a similar side effect that appears to be between 100 and 1000 times rarer? Something about the risk/benefit analysis there seems off.

 

[KingAugie]

But do we have to suspend use entirely to gain that understanding? We know two things about this complication right now: that it is exceedingly rare and that it is closely, almost perfectly, gender linked. So why not take the approach the UK has with A-Z, which has presented similar risks, and recommend it for older age groups and/or men, while advising women, especially younger women, seek a different vaccine? Because there is one more thing that we know, not about the side effect itself but about the overall situation, and that is that the risk from covid still exceeds the one-in-a-million risk of the complication.

The FDA and the CDC seem to think we do.
On a personal level and just my opinion yes I do think they should be paused until they know more and can determine that it is only X that is effected and why they are. When they know then they can resume giving it to Y and Z knowing it doesn't pose the same risk to them.
I understand COVID is still a risk, but I don't think that means we just brush over any possible risks to people in the prevention of COVID either.