CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[Heigh-Ho]

Budweiser is not running super bowl ads for the first time in 37 years. They’re going to take the money they would have spent and run ads urging people to get vaccinated.

When this was announced about a week and a half ago I was really surprised. The information I saw is that the money that would have been spent is going to vaccine awareness. I know other companies like Pepsi and Coca-Cola won't have ads either. Super Bowl ads are expensive it's nice to see they are doing something else with the money at least.

But you may still see ads for brands like Mountain Dew, Frito Lay and others from what I read.

 

[Jonfw2]

When this was announced about a week and a half ago I was really surprised. The information I saw is that the money that would have been spent is going to vaccine awareness. I know other companies like Pepsi and Coca-Cola won't have ads either. Super Bowl ads are expensive it's nice to see they are doing something else with the money at least.

But you may still see ads for brands like Mountain Dew, Frito Lay and others from what I read.

As is their right.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I know that cases are dropping in the countries where the variants supposed originated, or at least where they've been circulating in a serious way. And that they're dropping here as well. But this is the most comprehensive article I've seen on the B-117 variant yet. The study cited in the piece was just posted today. This study estimates that the variant is doubling every 10 days, and is now approximately 1-2% of all cases in the U.S., but could be as high as 4% in Florida. They say that they believe that it was here in late November, and likely arrived via travelers between the U.K. and U.S. between Thanksgiving and Christmas. They estimate that it is 30-40% more transmissible, but that number could increase as more data comes in. So...just posting for anyone who is interested.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/07/...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

 

[Jonfw2]

I know that cases are dropping in the countries where the variants supposed originated, or at least where they've been circulating in a serious way. And that they're dropping here as well. But this is the most comprehensive article I've seen on the B-117 variant yet. The study cited in the piece was just posted today. This study estimates that the variant is doubling every 10 days, and is now approximately 1-2% of all cases in the U.S., but could be as high as 4% in Florida. They say that they believe that it was here in late November, and likely arrived via travelers between the U.K. and U.S. between Thanksgiving and Christmas. They estimate that it is 30-40% more transmissible, but that number could increase as more data comes in. So...just posting for anyone who is interested.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/07/...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

It's almost bizarre how little the article discusses the impact vaccinations will have on all of this. I mean, if you have 80 or so million vaccinated adults and another 50 million who've had Covid already, that's going to impact the variant's ability by a lot.

 

[dvcgirl67]

It's almost bizarre how little the article discusses the impact vaccinations will have on all of this. I mean, if you have 80 or so million vaccinated adults and another 50 million who've had Covid already, that's going to impact the variant's ability by a lot.

I thought the same. The way I think of it....is this variant is more transmissible, and likely to muddy the waters a bit among those of us who have no antibodies and aren't vaccinated. Obviously, we'd prefer that we didn't have to deal with a more transmissible variant....even as vaccines ramp up. I know we're way down in cases here in the U.S., but we still have a very serious pandemic here....compared to the summer when we had at least decent testing in place. The numbers early last spring would have been higher than what we know because of the bad CDC test and the time it took for us to get that right, and just not enough tests period.

 

[Jonfw2]

I thought the same. The way I think of it....is this variant is more transmissible, and likely to muddy the waters a bit among those of us who have no antibodies and aren't vaccinated. Obviously, we'd prefer that we didn't have to deal with a more transmissible variant....even as vaccines ramp up. I know we're way down in cases here in the U.S., but we still have a very serious pandemic here....compared to the summer when we had at least decent testing in place. The numbers early last spring would have been higher than what we know because of the bad CDC test and the time it took for us to get that right, and just not enough tests period.

plus, with the majority of those getting vaxxed so far being the demographic most likely to die, the death rate absolutely won’t show an impact from this.

 

[dvcgirl67]

plus, with the majority of those getting vaxxed so far being the demographic most likely to die, the death rate absolutely won’t show an impact from this.

This is what I'm hoping for! We know that 40% of our deaths here in the U.S.....are in our LTC facilities. So I think we'll see deaths really, really come down....which is a great thing. Again, I'm with you....I think things are absolutely going to get better overall. It just would have been better if we didn't get a more transmissible variant after all we've been through...just as vaccinations are being rolled out in any meaningful manner. There are still going to be people who get sick from this...and sadly, people will die from it....even as vaccinations ramp up. This is why we're hearing about double-masking...N-95s if you have them....etc.

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

It's almost bizarre how little the article discusses the impact vaccinations will have on all of this. I mean, if you have 80 or so million vaccinated adults and another 50 million who've had Covid already, that's going to impact the variant's ability by a lot.

And that’s why I’m frustrated by articles like this. I feel like they just take all the bad information and paint this really dark scenario, without looking at the whole picture. Obviously these variants are something to be aware of and we’re not out of the woods, but the situation of a variant spreading now will hopefully be different than it spreading elsewhere in November when there were no vaccinations. I’m just really tired of these grim outlooks and really am starting to question the reasoning behind publishing these types of things which just seem to be aimed at building up more fear. I’m definitely still being vigilant and cautious, but I’d like to maintain some hope and optimism too. These articles do not help.

 

[dvcgirl67]

And that’s why I’m frustrated by articles like this. I feel like they just take all the bad information and paint this really dark scenario, without looking at the whole picture. Obviously these variants are something to be aware of and we’re not out of the woods, but the situation of a variant spreading now will hopefully be different than it spreading elsewhere in November when there were no vaccinations. I’m just really tired of these grim outlooks and really am starting to question the reasoning behind publishing these types of things which just seem to be aimed at building up more fear. I’m definitely still being vigilant and cautious, but I’d like to maintain some hope and optimism too. These articles do not help.

I understand your point. But I think a lot of us can read that article and sift through any fear....and take out what is relevant. It's just more info/data for me that I sift through. I'm someone who will have to wait a bit for a vaccine, and so it reinforces the necessity of good mask compliance....and for me, because I was able to get them...to wear KN-95s when I go out.

I much prefer to know what is happening, than I do having it hidden from me...or told it's fake news or whatever. I can read that article for what it is and apply it to my situation. It doesn't mean that I think the sky is falling. I also think it's Pollyanna-ish to say that we're coming out of this...and it's all good. That's just my take. If this thread was simply..."we're all good....it's over!"....well, that would be great. And I really do think that the worst is going to be behind us soon, but I don't think that means we return to the summer of 2019 either. Maybe I shouldn't bother posting articles like this?

 

[Dznypal]

Double masks??????are they kidding. It’s hard enough to try to breath through one now there recommending wearing 2. Or more. Let’s just get work on getting the vaccines out.

 

[godisney14]

It's almost bizarre how little the article discusses the impact vaccinations will have on all of this. I mean, if you have 80 or so million vaccinated adults and another 50 million who've had Covid already, that's going to impact the variant's ability by a lot.

Sure, it could. Although, we don’t know to what extent yet. The number of reports from around the world of people being reinfected with different strains, and even reports of infections with more than one strain at the same time, continue to grow.

The Novavax trial data in South Africa again proves the fact that reinfection with a new strain happens.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trial-...us-strain-poses-reinfection-risks-11611941546

If a new variant is more easily transmissible, it doesn’t matter much if it is not any more virulent in the sense that easier transmissions will mean the absolute numbers (of hospitalizations and deaths) will grow quicker.

 

[Jonfw2]

For what it’s worth, Gottleib said today we will have 150 million people vaccinated by the end of March.

 

[Pyotr]

And that’s why I’m frustrated by articles like this. I feel like they just take all the bad information and paint this really dark scenario, without looking at the whole picture. Obviously these variants are something to be aware of and we’re not out of the woods, but the situation of a variant spreading now will hopefully be different than it spreading elsewhere in November when there were no vaccinations. I’m just really tired of these grim outlooks and really am starting to question the reasoning behind publishing these types of things which just seem to be aimed at building up more fear. I’m definitely still being vigilant and cautious, but I’d like to maintain some hope and optimism too. These articles do not help.

The J&J vaccine was tested in South Africa and 100% prevented hospitalization and death.

 

[Pyotr]

Sure, it could. Although, we don’t know to what extent yet. The number of reports from around the world of people being reinfected with different strains, and even reports of infections with more than one strain at the same time, continue to grow.

The Novavax trial data in South Africa again proves the fact that reinfection with a new strain happens.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trial-...us-strain-poses-reinfection-risks-11611941546

If a new variant is more easily transmissible, it doesn’t matter much if it is not any more virulent in the sense that easier transmissions will mean the absolute numbers (of hospitalizations and deaths) will grow quicker.

Anyone respected says to wait on the full study to make a determination. But that wouldn’t sell Newspapers.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1358472892401545218

 

[godisney14]

Anyone respected says to wait on the full study to make a determination. But that wouldn’t sell Newspapers.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1358472892401545218

Sure, just like everyone here giving their opinions from all sides as well.

But, this particular data point shouldn’t disqualify all other similar incidence reports. Unless you want some 3rd party verification from every single report ever published. Then we’ll be at a point where nothing can be believed.
Shouldn’t we equally be critical of all study trial results then?

 

[dvcgirl67]

Anyone respected says to wait on the full study to make a determination. But that wouldn’t sell Newspapers.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1358472892401545218

Well....the government of South Africa just halted the use of the AZ vaccine there because it's not effective against mild to moderate cases of the variant circulating there. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/07/world/south-africa-astrazeneca-vaccine.html

 

[RamblingMad]

Well....the government of South Africa just halted the use of the AZ vaccine there because it's not effective against mild to moderate cases of the variant circulating there. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/07/world/south-africa-astrazeneca-vaccine.html

Has anyone published numbers on the SA variant and how effective the vaccines are against it yet?

 

[Farro]

Well....the government of South Africa just halted the use of the AZ vaccine there because it's not effective against mild to moderate cases of the variant circulating there. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/07/world/south-africa-astrazeneca-vaccine.html

But was it effective against severe cases? I'm so confused.

 

[gwynne]

Here's a bit more on the halt today.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/07...9-vaccine-after-shot-falters-against-variant/

 

[dvcgirl67]

But was it effective against severe cases? I'm so confused.

I thought the same thing, but wonder if the experts fear that it will continue to spread among the population and mutate?