CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[godisney14]

We don't know if the vaccine may cause infertility or fertility issues. However we DO know that COVID DOES cause fertility issues and impotence as well as male infertility. So I guess pick your poison? you can go with "may cause infertility" or stick with "does cause infertility and impotence". Not sure why this is such a tough decision.

No, we do NOT.

I bet for every reference you present as supporting your claim, I can provide an equal or greater number of reference that says there is no evidence.

Edit to add: Again, this does not mean it does or it does not. It’s inconclusive at the moment. So, either side is equally possible. Just not enough time has passed to allow us to study and conclude one way or the other.

 

[godisney14]

This is absolutely not true. Pfizer, Moderna, and Oxford all did studies on mice and monkeys, they just did those studies concurrently with the Phase 1 human studies. (Other vaccine candidates likely did animal studies as well, and all may have used additional animals, but I did not look up those specifics.)

We don’t need to all agree on everything related to the vaccines (or anything else, really), but let’s stick to factually correct information.

You’re right. My mistake.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

In my mind I was picturing things being more or less back to normal by mid-2021 and booking a trip for 2022 then. I think I'm so stir crazy that at the first good news I was like "Yes! Everything is fine now! Fine I tell you! I will be licking doorknobs in May 2021 darn it!"

No I know exactly how you feel! I had 2 vacations cancelled this year.

I had some local DISers who had did placeholder trips back in the spring when WDW first closed and they just kept pushing the trips out a bit, usually to take advantage of a discount or to make sure they got a reservation. In the end two of them were able to go in October and 1 was able to go when they went house hunting down in FL due to us having a CM as a friend as well. You could do that for 2022, book a placeholder vacation I mean, I know how that planning for the vacation can be fun but I would do it with thinking nothing it going to change. I hate it myself thinking about because gosh darnnit I was supposed to be on a beach on an island this year (that was the second vacation) and I was supposed to be in Vegas this year on our wedding anniversary. I had also considered but waffled back and forth over the last couple of years being in Disney for the 50th Anniversary. None of us I think thought that big grand event would be shadowed by this darn virus.

So I get you

 

[huskies90]

After I heard the vaccine was being released, did a happy dance, and started planning my trip to Disney and other toddler-related outings, it occurred to me "Wait, can babies be vaccinated as well?". Happy dance slowed to a 'happy sway' when I realized they are in a different category and may not be vaccinated until next fall. Wondering how this will impact reopening, schools, mandated use of face masks, etc. Was sooo hoping to have a Disney trip booked in 2022 but now I'm wondering if that's realistic.

As I said many pages ago, it’s all going to boil down to numbers improving. For example, there is some controversy about people in long term care facilities, that almost never leave and are nearing the end of their lives being the next group to get vaccinated after health care and first responders. The reason why they are prioritized higher than a younger essential worker that is out in the community and exposed regularly or a teacher is that the people in the LTCF are the majority being hospitalized and dying. This disease is not effecting children at all - with the exception of the rare case. In fact, the flu effects children more. If numbers go down and we start to see impacts similar to the seasonal flu and other diseases things SHOULD go back to normal. Now, if we are waiting until Covid is gone to get back to normal, buckle in, it is going to be a very long ride.

 

[Jonfw2]

The numbers- especially hospitalizations and deaths- will start to drop here in February due to the amount of high risk people who have been vaccinated.

At around the same time, we should see vaccine requirements start to pop up

 

[godisney14]

Updated survey numbers.

 

[tippity]

Just give it some time. That’s why the full results of the current vaccine trials preparing for EUA won’t be out until a couple years

2 years won't provide much information. Celebrex patented in 1993 and FDA was approved in 1998. Then is wasn't until 2005 that the Black Box warnings appeared on the drug insert. So 12 years later.

It's the same with a lot of drugs. We don't know about the long term side effects, but I don't think the world can afford to wait.

 

[huskies90]

Looks like it’s not mandatory for now.

I have heard they are just barreling forward distributing as many as they can until the stock is depleted. They are not holding any doses for people in the first groups who opt out. They are just moving on to the next person.

 

[Jonfw2]

Yes, your boss can fire you if you refuse to get a Covid vaccine
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/07/cov...are|com.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

 

[godisney14]

2 years won't provide much information. Celebrex patented in 1993 and FDA was approved in 1998. Then is wasn't until 2005 that the Black Box warnings appeared on the drug insert. So 12 years later.

It's the same with a lot of drugs. We don't know about the long term side effects, but I don't think the world can afford to wait.

That’s why we have the EUA process. I didn’t say give it some time to determine whether to approve a vaccine.
I said give it some time to learn more about a novel virus (and it’s vaccine) before making conclusive statements one way or the other.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yes, your boss can fire you if you refuse to get a Covid vaccine
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/07/covid-vaccine-update-your-boss-can-fire-you-if-you-refuse-the-coronavirus-shot.html?__source=iosappshare|com.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

Were people doubting it would be legal? I guess living in an at-will state there are few things that are protected and a much larger amount of things that you can be let go of with or without cause.

Not liking or being concerned I totally get many people are concerned or wondering where and when a vaccine would be required.

So that people know the article mentions basically what is a check and balance:

• If a work force is unionized, the collective bargaining agreement may require negotiating with the union before mandating a vaccine.
• Anti-discrimination laws also provide some protections. Under the Americans with Disabilities Act, workers who don’t want to be vaccinated for medical reasons are eligible to request an exemption. In this case, an employer would have to provide reasonable accommodation, such as allowing the employee to work remotely.
• Under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, if taking the vaccine is a violation of a “sincerely held” religious belief, they, too, would potentially be able to opt out.

All of this isn't set in stone, keep that in mind.

The religion I think is going to be one to watch because over the last several years exemptions for schools for instance have tightened up as resurgence in diseases, especially measles, happened as the number of people requesting exemptions increased.

 

[godisney14]

Yes, your boss can fire you if you refuse to get a Covid vaccine
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/07/covid-vaccine-update-your-boss-can-fire-you-if-you-refuse-the-coronavirus-shot.html?__source=iosappshare|com.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

A few exceptions
There are, however, a few notable exceptions to this kind of blanket requirement. If a work force is unionized, the collective bargaining agreement may require negotiating with the union before mandating a vaccine.
Anti-discrimination laws also provide some protections. Under the Americans with Disabilities Act, workers who don’t want to be vaccinated for medical reasons are eligible to request an exemption. In this case, an employer would have to provide reasonable accommodation, such as allowing the employee to work remotely.
Under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, if taking the vaccine is a violation of a “sincerely held” religious belief, they, too, would potentially be able to opt out.

 

[sam_gordon]

Based on the spread it is likely you will get it if you don't vaccinate. you can only play Russian roulette for so long before you lose. JMHO.

If you want to make that assumption, go ahead. You asked the question. The FACT is there is no guarantee that everyone (or any specific person) will get Covid.

 

[tippity]

A few exceptions
There are, however, a few notable exceptions to this kind of blanket requirement. If a work force is unionized, the collective bargaining agreement may require negotiating with the union before mandating a vaccine.
Anti-discrimination laws also provide some protections. Under the Americans with Disabilities Act, workers who don’t want to be vaccinated for medical reasons are eligible to request an exemption. In this case, an employer would have to provide reasonable accommodation, such as allowing the employee to work remotely.
Under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, if taking the vaccine is a violation of a “sincerely held” religious belief, they, too, would potentially be able to opt out.

For several years, healthcare workers have been required to receive the flu vaccine. The opt out is to be to wear face masks throughout the flu season. I can picture the same type of scenario for the COVID vaccine opt out.

 

[DLgal]

2 years won't provide much information. Celebrex patented in 1993 and FDA was approved in 1998. Then is wasn't until 2005 that the Black Box warnings appeared on the drug insert. So 12 years later.

It's the same with a lot of drugs. We don't know about the long term side effects, but I don't think the world can afford to wait.

You can't compare a vaccine to a drug people take daily as a maintenance medication.

 

[tippity]

You can't compare a vaccine to a drug people take daily as a maintenance medication.

Why not? All drugs regardless of their indications go through the same clinical trials, and long term side effects can take decades to be revealed.

 

[jlwhitney]

Based on the spread it is likely you will get it if you don't vaccinate. you can only play Russian roulette for so long before you lose. JMHO.

And even if you get it it may only cause infertility, that isn't even a guarantee.

 

[okeydokey]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...ell-more-vaccine-doses/ar-BB1bId2c?li=BBnb7Kz

 

[DLgal]

Why not? All drugs regardless of their indications go through the same clinical trials, and long term side effects can take decades to be revealed.

Because drugs taken regularly and over time require your body to constantly deal with them. A vaccine causes an immune response that largely lies latent until needed. It's not a continuous thing that your body has to deal with. Like, we all know the cumulative effects of too much Tylenol or too much opioid pain medication. You can't get "too much vaccine."

 

[okeydokey]

So we may not get much of the Pfizer vaccine until June. Bad news.