CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[tippity]

That’s what it used to be years ago. Now we must receive the flu vaccine, with few exceptions, and there is no option for mask wearing in its place. Non-compilers, bye bye. As of right now the Covid vaccine will remain optional. The numbers will be interesting to see once there’s a rollout.

Interesting. If that's the case with the flu, it will probably be the same with Covid vaccine. I can't picture healthcare institutions allowing an opt out with this highly contagious virus.

 

[Jonfw2]

What's your issue? You come off sometimes like only you get to comment about things, like only your word is what we must take.

When you say "they noted it provided significant protection after ONE dose." I should be able to respond because from what I'm reading it's still unclear what protection they get especially when their prior data the high end of efficacy was based on 2 doses..you know the level of efficacy you harped about for pages would lead to an extinction of COVID by next fall.

The entire globe and our ability to have any sort of semblance of a life in the near future hinges on how well these vaccines work with our bodies. 1 dose vs 2 doses and the level of protection you get is pretty important considering this is a mass level of vaccination we've never really seen before.

I'm sorry- I think I may have taken your post the wrong way. I read it as a disagreement with what I wrote. If that was mistaken on my part, I apologize.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Interesting. If that's the case with the flu, it will probably be the same with Covid vaccine. I can't picture healthcare institutions allowing an opt out with this highly contagious virus.

As I said, right now it’s optional, at least where I am. And I think I saw another healthcare worker say the same on one of these threads. Maybe we need a poll!

 

[Heigh-Ho]

I'm sorry- I think I may have taken your post the wrong way. I read it as a disagreement with what I wrote. If that was mistaken on my part, I apologize.

The timing well is easy to fall into thinking something but you have to wonder if any of this is being pushed to give strong confidence that the number of doses the u.s. bought will go further after it was just released we have significant issues in getting a large amount of people vaccinated in the initial timeline they thought they could.

 

[tippity]

As I said, right now it’s optional, at least where I am. And I think I saw another healthcare worker say the same on one of these threads. Maybe we need a poll!

My comment was purely speculation.

 

[Jonfw2]

The timing well is easy to fall into thinking something but you have to wonder if any of this is being pushed to give strong confidence that the number of doses the u.s. bought will go further after it was just released we have significant issues in getting a large amount of people vaccinated in the initial timeline they thought they could.

Good observation- but apparently, this WAS out there a few weeks ago, it just didn't get picked up on for some reason. I guess there's so much news out there some stuff just gets lost.

 

[Farro]

Healthcare here - so far it's optional to get vaccine.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I'm sorry- I think I may have taken your post the wrong way. I read it as a disagreement with what I wrote. If that was mistaken on my part, I apologize.

No it wasn't disagreement though I can see how that might read. It was that the information is sorta teeter tottering. I was remembering the conversation with the other poster about Dr. Gottlieb but then what I had just read that the experts said we really need to get a second dose. I had mentioned risking vaccinating people off of 1 dose hoping a shipment comes in in time for the 2nd dose was worrisome to me and that was before it written that the amount of supply from Pfizer we initially bought is not enough.

The state next to me had released just yesterday before that news broke that they expected general population in June/July with anyone who wants it to be August/September. They also were discussing the Pfizer would be sent to my metro (which impacts me even though I'm on the other side of the state line) and the other large metro in that state with Moderna sent to mid-size cities in that state due to temperature requirements. So not having enough supply throws that whole timeline off if they can't come to a solution but having a sorta protection with 1 dose just further complicates things.

From what I just read it's about 50% effective with 1 dose and about 95% effective with 2 doses. The really good part that I read is that "the effectiveness seems to be the same across all age groups, racial and ethnic minorities, and people with underlying conditions, such as obesity, diabetes and high blood pressure". That's fantastic news.

My concern is that we'll end up with millions of people with partial effectiveness and won't be able to get back to get the second dose efficiently due to the supply issue. It's why I still am sorta on the side of using the supply given for 1 person instead of spreading it out to everyone waiting for the next shipment. I doubt that will happen but if social distancing, mask wearing, stay at home orders, closing of non-essential businesses, stay away from loved ones, travel and so much more is hinging on the numbers (like another person had been talking about) I don't just want 50% efficacy with one of the main vaccines that will be distributed if there's a way to get higher efficacy just by ensuring people are getting and able to get (both supply chain where a large commitment is like 6 months later it would come it presently speaking and would that 95% efficacy be different if you get the second dose significantly after the first one and realistic means of getting them to come back in).

So I'm back to watching the news hoping for more development. I'm normally a glass half full kind of person but this part I'm going with glass half empty so that's probably translating into my comments for that my apologies

 

[godisney14]

Healthcare here - so far it's optional to get vaccine.

Its optional for all employees at every hospital that my family and friends work at.

 

[wvjules]

I wanted to share this article a former colleague wrote and shared on LinkedIn. I know him personally (he was my "commander" when I was a contractor for the Army). I respect him and the work he has done on Operation Warp Speed. I am one of those that is somewhat apprehensive about this vaccine but reading this is reassuring. He is someone whose opinion I trust. Please read this article if you are hesitant about a vaccine.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/lets...0Hd7D0Udh_4HkrOs9xVzekrhU8PPaxbbGrMEJiZ-v7U4k

 

[DopeyDame]

Its optional for all employees at every hospital that my family and friends work at.

I imagine it's optional now because they know they don't have enough doses for everyone, so might as well give it to the hospital staff who want it first, then make it mandatory when you have enough for everyone anyway.

 

[godisney14]

I imagine it's optional now because they know they don't have enough doses for everyone, so might as well give it to the hospital staff who want it first, then make it mandatory when you have enough for everyone anyway.

We’ll see. Just as an FYI, not every hospital staff throughout the country are required to get vaccines.
Don’t take that as I’m advocating for or against vaccinations, just telling you as it is.

 

[disneychick0412]

I work for a hospital (at one of the hospital owned clinics in another town, but still), and we are required to get the flu shot unless there is a medical reason that we cannot.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Interesting note on the Pfizer vax which got absolutely no press until today for some reason: they noted it provided significant protection after ONE dose.

This will be very interesting to follow in England- perhaps their numbers will start to fall sooner than anticipated.

Sure would put people's minds at ease here, so it's good for them and it's good for us. With the concerns many American's have (can't ignore it) this rollout a few weeks ahead of the US actually seems like a win-win.

 

[Jonfw2]

Sure would people's minds at ease here, so it's good for them and it's good for us. With the concerns many American's have (can't ignore it) this rollout a few weeks ahead of the US actually seems like a win-win.

Absolutely. And because they have a much smaller population, I believe the percentage of people vaccinated early will be quite a bit higher than our "first wave". So the numbers should be interesting.

 

[Jonfw2]

There seems to be a lot of confusion around that.

FWIW the information I saw was "New data released Tuesday suggests that Pfizer's two-dose coronavirus vaccine begins to work well protecting recipients against COVID-19 within 10 days of the first dose."

Suggests is a precarious word to use and "begins to work well" is ambiguous. Prior information was "Pfizer presented data showing a 95% effectiveness of the vaccine after two doses"

The FDA has put a number on it: 82% effective after one dose.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The FDA has put a number on it: 82% effective after one dose.

That's much better than the 50% I had just been reading about!

 

[Jonfw2]

That's much better than the 50% I had just been reading about!

No kidding!!! Especially when 50% was the FDA's original threshold for approval.

Here's the link:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/08/fda...ccine-data-did-not-raise-safety-concerns.html
EDIT: CNBC has now changed 82% to 52%. I dunno...seems like a relatively large chasm.

 

[DLgal]

Just want to point out, likely NO ONE will be *required* to get the vaccination at their place of work UNTIL it has received FULL FDA approval, not EUA. It is very difficult, legally, to mandate unapproved vaccines. You would have to get every person to sign an informed consent and seek it out specifically.

This is how they are handling this vaccine with the military. I had been under the assumption that our servicemembers would be among the first vaccinated, and it would be mandatory. It definitely will not be, not until full FDA approval.

I suspect there are legalities with mandating something that has only received Emergency Use Approval.

 

[Jonfw2]

Just want to point out, likely NO ONE will be *required* to get the vaccination at their place of work UNTIL it has received FULL FDA approval, not EUA. It is very difficult, legally, to mandate unauthorized vaccines. You would have to get every person to sign an informed consent and seek it out specifically.

This is how they are handling this vaccine with the military. I had been under the assumption that our servicemembers would be among the first vaccinated, and it would be mandatory. It definitely will not be, not until full FDA approval.

I suspect there are legalities with mandating something that has only received Emergency Use Approval.

That's very interesting. Thanks. I guess I feel that if you're working in a hospital and you don't want the vaccine, you should be moved to the psych ward.