CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[Pyotr]

I think it will be required for all employees in retail and otherwise. Small businesses may not require it if it's work from home situation. Perhaps even insurance will require it or will not insure you.

The vaccine certificate will be tied to your phone and you will need to have it scanned to enter a store, airport, anything really. China is doing this already. All information and their wallet is on their phone.

Don't laugh, I've read about this - nothing I made up.

Oh for Pete’s sake.

This isn’t China.

 

[mefordis]

Oh for Pete’s sake.

This isn’t China.

Clearly this is not China, it's the USA. Why so dismissive? The health passports have been in the works for a while and you don't have to dig very deep to find articles on it. What's the problem with it? No one is going to have to dig through their wallet or purse for a stamped piece of paper or card. Makes sense you could have it on your phone.


With a potential vaccine against coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) many months away,
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one proposal that some governments have suggested, including Chile, Germany, Italy, the UK, and the USA,
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is the use of immunity passports—ie, digital or physical documents that certify an individual has been infected and is purportedly immune to SARS-CoV-2. Individuals in possession of an immunity passport could be exempt from physical restrictions and could return to work, school, and daily life. However, immunity passports pose considerable scientific, practical, equitable, and legal challenges.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31034-5/fulltext

 

[Wiltony]

Maybe we can have badges we wear around indicating we've either had the virus or the vaccine and can safely travel, attend events, not wear a mask, etc.

And after a few more of these, we can start wearing them like military ribbons!

 

[snappy]

Or like a scarlet letter

 

[Jonfw2]

I'm wildly in favor of vaccine verification as long as it's done voluntarily by companies and not by the government.

 

[NotUrsula]

Oh for Pete’s sake.

This isn’t China.

Exactly. The key here is that no one is going to be requiring a wellness certificate to enter a government building, on the street or on your own property. It will be a voluntary thing, and like wearing shoes and shirt, it will be something that private businesses require if you wish to enter their premises or work for them. Don't want to? Fine, that's what Netflix and delivery are for. (If it's an employer, you are always free to quit and try to find work elsewhere.)

None of this is really new. Those of us who are old enough can remember that schools and some employers used to not only ask for your immunization records, but look at your arm for the smallpox scar. For some loopy reason, people are refusing to accept that a public health crisis has ALWAYS been an exception to the usual freedoms we enjoy here; this and catastrophic weather events are the only two types of threat that we cannot curb through reason and the practice of normal law & order. People grumble about it, but in the end they comply with basic norms because of the tremendous inconvenience of not doing so.

 

[RamblingMad]

So they’re going to inject us with a super cold vaccine. What I want to know is the guaranteed pain due to the instant frost bite.

 

[NotUrsula]

But isn't this still Trump's vaccine? I doubt they changed the formula after election results came in. Wasn't the argument that is was being rushed?

What changed is the speed with which resistance data was able to be compiled. Normally it takes a very long time to compile enough data on a vaccine because in the normal course of events not enough people will encounter community exposure to that disease in a short period of time. The increase in the infection incidence ramped that up, providing sufficient data much more quickly than expected.

PS: the Pfizer vaccine is allowed to thaw before it is given, but you have to have your patient there ready and waiting from the time it is taken off ice, so that you don't risk waiting too long with it at room temp and having it go bad.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Like I said, the hosptial here that will be the distribution center for much of California just got word last week to move forward with finding a vendor with the refrigeration equipment, then pull permits for the necessary construction. So doesn't matter what I believe, the folks RESPONSIBLE for making it happen are just getting the word

It's possible your daughter-in-law was not privy to the information, that's what I was meaning about what we know from the public and what goes on in the background aren't always the same. It's possible her boss and so on to a point were also not privy. It's doubtful that the hospital system itself was unaware that a possible vaccine being research needed ultra cold storage. The lower levels rarely know what the higher levels knows at least in great detail.

Having two relatives in my husband's family in the healthcare industry for two different systems in my metro in two different positions they are not privy to all the going ons in their systems. But even they themselves are aware of the vaccine ultra cold storage discussion. I can understand, truthfully, if any one individual happens to be unaware (some people are really avoiding all news or most of the news) but that's totally different than what you originally said. That's why people were so caught off guard by your statement. We've been discussing it for months, the news has been discussing it for months.

 

[mefordis]

Exactly. The key here is that no one is going to be requiring a wellness certificate to enter a government building, on the street or on your own property. It will be a voluntary thing, and like wearing shoes and shirt, it will be something that private businesses require if you wish to enter their premises or work for them. Don't want to? Fine, that's what Netflix and delivery are for. (If it's an employer, you are always free to quit and try to find work elsewhere.)

None of this is really new. Those of us who are old enough can remember that schools and some employers used to not only ask for your immunization records, but look at your arm for the smallpox scar. For some loopy reason, people are refusing to accept that a public health crisis has ALWAYS been an exception to the usual freedoms we enjoy here; this and catastrophic weather events are the only two types of threat that we cannot curb through reason and the practice of normal law & order. People grumble about it, but in the end they comply with basic norms because of the tremendous inconvenience of not doing so.

Today cannot enter the DMV without a mask. I believe they will require proof of vaccine to enter government buildings. We'll see how it plays out.

The compulsory vaccines will be down the road. First they must have enough for those who want them. My cousin is a nurse and they are vaccinating at her hospital next month on a voluntary basis for now.

 

[tvguy]

It's possible your daughter-in-law was not privy to the information, that's what I was meaning about what we know from the public and what goes on in the background aren't always the same. It's possible her boss and so on to a point were also not privy. It's doubtful that the hospital system itself was unaware that a possible vaccine being research needed ultra cold storage. The lower levels rarely know what the higher levels knows at least in great detail.

Having two relatives in my husband's family in the healthcare industry for two different systems in my metro in two different positions they are not privy to all the going ons in their systems. But even they themselves are aware of the vaccine ultra cold storage discussion. I can understand, truthfully, if any one individual happens to be unaware (some people are really avoiding all news or most of the news) but that's totally different than what you originally said. That's why people were so caught off guard by your statement. We've been discussing it for months, the news has been discussing it for months.

LOL. Somehow missed it in the 50 hours a month of newscasts I have a hand it.

 

[amylevan]

Maybe this is just me, but I doubt requiring vaccines to enter places. Initially, that would be helpful to get things up and running, but that’s not going to be initially feasible since we are going to have to patiently wait our turn to get the vaccine. By the time it’s available to the “general public” (tier 3 here in PA’s vaccine plan) why would we need to check for immunity? It’s supposed to be 95% efficacy. Hospitals are not going to be overrun once this is in regular vaccination routines.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

LOL. Somehow missed it in the 50 hours a month of newscasts I have a hand it.

Must be coming down to the whole unique experience thing because I dunno what to tell ya honestly

 

[mousefan73]

I was just looking at the growth chart of cases in the US at world o meter. Wow one really sees how now it’s worse than spring with case counts. If the exponential rate continues there really is no point of any vaccine distribution plan. Most Americans would have had Covid by January.

 

[Colleen27]

Here's my read on people's perception of the vaccine: I predict many more people will get it than expected due to the following:

1. They'll see friends and family do it and feel a sense of community pressure.
2. They will see prohibitions for the non-vaccinated at places of business and entertainment.
3. The overall trust level will be higher under Biden than Trump.

I really don't think we're going to see this. We don't do it now for vaccinations for illnesses far more serious (contagious and deadly) than covid. I don't think we're going to rewrite our expectations of personal/medical privacy over this pandemic.

Read up on what Ticketmaster plans to do for live events moving forward. There are ways to determine people's vaccine status or test result status without violating health privacy laws. But yes, basically, it will utilize 3rd party apps that link health data between labs/pharmacies and the venue. These app companies are already working on these integrations. They generate a QR code linked to a ticket holder to provide entry credentials. You will see this transfer over to various types of travel, things like conventions, sporting events, etc. Basically anything that requires a ticketed entry can use this type of tech to only allow either vaccinated people or those who have tested negative within a narrow window access to the event.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/touring/9481166/ticketmaster-vaccine-check-concerts-plan

I just don't see it. I don't think any company is going to be willing to accept losing the business of people who just aren't comfortable with their health information going out to every venue and company they visit or who don't have a smartphone/aren't willing to dedicate space to such a niche app, and I don't think the tech is likely to be user-friendly enough to succeed either. Ticketmaster can't even manage a digital ticketing app that works reliably and doesn't hold up entry! I've been to two different shows in the last couple of seasons where the app crashed and those who hadn't printed tickets were stuck standing around waiting for it to start working again... and that's a purely internal process. This would have far more moving parts, not the least of which would be getting to a point where test results are returned timely enough to qualify. And even if all the tech can be worked out, it would have to clear federal regulators... which is going to be a high bar in the current political climate.

I think it will be required for all employees in retail and otherwise. Small businesses may not require it if it's work from home situation. Perhaps even insurance will require it or will not insure you.

The vaccine certificate will be tied to your phone and you will need to have it scanned to enter a store, airport, anything really. China is doing this already. All information and their wallet is on their phone.

But we're not China. The cultural barriers to this sort of verification and tracking are immense, not only because of concepts of medical privacy that (as I understand it) don't have parallels in Chinese society but also because of our overall skepticism of government and big business. Think about all the crazy theories about the vaccine being an excuse for microchipping... and imagine how those same people will react to being told they have to "check in" everywhere they go, essentially creating a massive database of their movements, day in and day out.

 

[Colleen27]

I was just looking at the growth chart of cases in the US at world o meter. Wow one really sees how now it’s worse than spring with case counts. If the exponential rate continues there really is no point of any vaccine distribution plan. Most Americans would have had Covid by January.

If you do the math, that isn't the case at all. Even at our current, terrible rates of spread we're seeing about a million cases a week... at which pace it would take 6 years for all Americans to have had the virus, or about 3.5 to get to the presumed herd immunity threshold. That's the problem with the idea of courting natural herd immunity - it would take many months or years of catastrophic conditions, or many more years of controlled spread.

 

[mousefan73]

If you do the math, that isn't the case at all. Even at our current, terrible rates of spread we're seeing about a million cases a week... at which pace it would take 6 years for all Americans to have had the virus, or about 3.5 to get to the presumed herd immunity threshold. That's the problem with the idea of courting natural herd immunity - it would take many months or years of catastrophic conditions, or many more years of controlled spread.

Your math is better than mine. . But still shocking at how many millions will get it. Most will be ok. But even a small percentage of that really sick or dead is sad.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I was just looking at the growth chart of cases in the US at world o meter. Wow one really sees how now it’s worse than spring with case counts. If the exponential rate continues there really is no point of any vaccine distribution plan. Most Americans would have had Covid by January.

Of course there would be a need for vaccine. Would you deny the other countries who have had cases? Of course not so why the U.S.? People who have had COVID do not have immunity for life. Presently our research indicates there is some immunity after one recovers but the time frame is unknown.

Your comment is just a jab and I recognize not one you were actually serious about but a vaccine isn't a joke that should be used.

 

[Jonfw2]

I really don't think we're going to see this. We don't do it now for vaccinations for illnesses far more serious (contagious and deadly) than covid. I don't think we're going to rewrite our expectations of personal/medical privacy over this pandemic.

None of those diseases are currently in a pandemic state.

 

[mefordis]

I really don't think we're going to see this. We don't do it now for vaccinations for illnesses far more serious (contagious and deadly) than covid. I don't think we're going to rewrite our expectations of personal/medical privacy over this pandemic.



I just don't see it. I don't think any company is going to be willing to accept losing the business of people who just aren't comfortable with their health information going out to every venue and company they visit or who don't have a smartphone/aren't willing to dedicate space to such a niche app, and I don't think the tech is likely to be user-friendly enough to succeed either. Ticketmaster can't even manage a digital ticketing app that works reliably and doesn't hold up entry! I've been to two different shows in the last couple of seasons where the app crashed and those who hadn't printed tickets were stuck standing around waiting for it to start working again... and that's a purely internal process. This would have far more moving parts, not the least of which would be getting to a point where test results are returned timely enough to qualify. And even if all the tech can be worked out, it would have to clear federal regulators... which is going to be a high bar in the current political climate.



But we're not China. The cultural barriers to this sort of verification and tracking are immense, not only because of concepts of medical privacy that (as I understand it) don't have parallels in Chinese society but also because of our overall skepticism of government and big business. Think about all the crazy theories about the vaccine being an excuse for microchipping... and imagine how those same people will react to being told they have to "check in" everywhere they go, essentially creating a massive database of their movements, day in and day out.

How is requiring a Covid19 vaccine any different than requiring a full suite of vaccines for a child to go to school? They require about 16 shots, at least. I'm not saying I agree with it necessarily, just interpreting what I am reading and hearing in the mainstream news.

Also, Ticketmaster has appeared to back pedaled on the mandatory vaccine idea for now. https://news.yahoo.com/no-ticketmaster-wont-force-covid-145331418.html