CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[Colleen27]

I agree but if the numbers keep dropping and stay low then they won't really have a reason to block anyone from traveling. It is all going to come down to the rates.

I'm not sure that will prove true. I think what will matter more is population vulnerability. The countries that did an excellent job containing and eliminating the virus are in a situation right now where allowing travel even from nations with very low rates of community spread could be catastrophic because they've preserved near-perfect naivety to the virus in their citizenry. So until/unless those countries get most everyone vaccinated, allowing anyone in is a major risk and as such will continue to hinge upon major restrictions like travel bans, testing mandates, and government monitored quarantines. It doesn't matter if there are 10K cases per day in the arriving visitor's home country or 10; what matters, from a domestic policy perspective, is the potential consequences if one of those visitors should bring the virus with him on vacation.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

The second stimulus was in the form of debit cards. But, you could still use those to pay bills where the service provider accepts them. All my internet, phone, water, garbage, and electric/gas can be paid by debit card.



And now watch the numbers start going back up in those places without mask mandate. Should really lessen those precautions AFTER vaccination has been sufficiently distributed. Or, maybe their strategy is to sacrifice some lives for earlier herd immunity. Worked great for the UK and Sweden last year.

Not everybody. Ours was direct deposit both times.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I'm not sure that will prove true. I think what will matter more is population vulnerability. The countries that did an excellent job containing and eliminating the virus are in a situation right now where allowing travel even from nations with very low rates of community spread could be catastrophic because they've preserved near-perfect naivety to the virus in their citizenry. So until/unless those countries get most everyone vaccinated, allowing anyone in is a major risk and as such will continue to hinge upon major restrictions like travel bans, testing mandates, and government monitored quarantines. It doesn't matter if there are 10K cases per day in the arriving visitor's home country or 10; what matters, from a domestic policy perspective, is the potential consequences if one of those visitors should bring the virus with him on vacation.

Right, this is essentially what Austraila and New Zealand are doing and I certainly think that wealthier countries like this continue on this path for quite awhile. Poorer countries already have opened their borders though, essentially because they have no choice. I know there are some restrictions when traveling to Mexico, but they are open for business as far as tourism for Americans is concerned. A wealthier country like Canada....not so much.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Right, this is essentially what Austraila and New Zealand are doing and I certainly think that wealthier countries like this continue on this path for quite awhile. Poorer countries already have opened their borders though, essentially because they have no choice. I know there are some restrictions when traveling to Mexico, but they are open for business as far as tourism for Americans is concerned. A wealthier country like Canada....not so much.

It's not wealth necessarily. From the beginning with respects to port closures for cruises to border closures to border reopening but only to X people to not having border restrictions to having testing and/or combination of testing and quarantines, etc they've all been decidedly different for those who rely on tourism. Seychelles is the 2nd wealthiest country in Africa (but tourism is one of their main things), Cyprus, Estonia, Romania are all considered high income countries according to World Bank. But Cyprus has tourism as one of its main things, Estonia and Romania as well. Iceland isn't a poor country but they rely on tourism. Canada does not rely on tourism. AU and NZ are always outliers but they have been since the beginning and will continue to be I would assume.

Access to vaccine for their own citizens..yes that is a line in the sand between wealthy and non.

ETA: Iceland also back in November allowed visitors to their country (including the U.S.) so long as they were high earners..the ones more likely to inject income. Back then the numbers they showed for 2019 was that over 42% of their economy was tourism based. But anyone who has visited Iceland will tell you it's expensive there. It's not for the poor that's for sure.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

We're also waiting on antibody results for my husband. The Community Blood Center advised on all samples of blood, plasma, and platelets through the end of Jan they would test for antibodies and let you know either way. Prior to that they said they'll make an effort to test majority but couldn't guarantee all and that they would only contact you should you be positive. My husband gave platelets 2 weeks ago tomorrow and that's about as long as they advised it would take. We'll still get tested either way and isolate either way but we do need to know if we need test results within a specific time frame before flying and it would be nice to know if at least my husband has presence of antibodies.

So update to my post. My husband's results came today and from their test they do not detect the presence of antibodies. Of course that means he either had it and antibodies did not stay with him, the level of antibodies was too low to detect with their test or he never had it previously. Either way nothing changes for us but we used this as a free way for him to get tested just to see and of course help out. He doesn't like to do platelets too often because of the feeling, time commitment, etc but he'll give blood again eventually.

 

[Jonfw2]

In the last month, the US 7 day moving average has gone from 255,000 per day to 79,000.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Have you guys seen this? Should be interesting for sure.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...85a80c-7106-11eb-8651-6d3091eac63f_story.html

 

[Jonfw2]

Have you guys seen this? Should be interesting for sure.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...85a80c-7106-11eb-8651-6d3091eac63f_story.html

I like this. I find it similar to testing fighter jets or space craft.

 

[Pyotr]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/17/politics/ron-desantis-vaccines/i

Have you guys seen this? Should be interesting for sure.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...85a80c-7106-11eb-8651-6d3091eac63f_story.html

While I have full confidence in the vaccine, this is something I would take a hard pass on.

I’m doing my best to stay away from the corona. The last thing I want to do is inject myself with it.

 

[tink2424]

I'm not sure that will prove true. I think what will matter more is population vulnerability. The countries that did an excellent job containing and eliminating the virus are in a situation right now where allowing travel even from nations with very low rates of community spread could be catastrophic because they've preserved near-perfect naivety to the virus in their citizenry. So until/unless those countries get most everyone vaccinated, allowing anyone in is a major risk and as such will continue to hinge upon major restrictions like travel bans, testing mandates, and government monitored quarantines. It doesn't matter if there are 10K cases per day in the arriving visitor's home country or 10; what matters, from a domestic policy perspective, is the potential consequences if one of those visitors should bring the virus with him on vacation.

That is true but I still stand by what I said. When the numbers are very low to non-existent it will be hard for countries to keep our tourists without damage to their economy. Vaccination doesn't necessarily matter at that point since as has been acknowledged here the vaccine likely doesn't prevent infection or possibly transmission. More important are the testing but if the rates are so low in the country the person is traveling from then why bother restricting their travel. Economics will eventually win out.

 

[Farro]

That is true but I still stand by what I said. When the numbers are very low to non-existent it will be hard for countries to keep our tourists without damage to their economy. Vaccination doesn't necessarily matter at that point since as has been acknowledged here the vaccine likely doesn't prevent infection or possibly transmission. More important are the testing but if the rates are so low in the country the person is traveling from then why bother restricting their travel. Economics will eventually win out.

I think your wording here doesn't accurately represent what has been discussed and is known about the vaccine.

 

[Jonfw2]

Gottleib this morning: around 40% of Americans already have immunity.

 

[mefordis]

Get ready for a 3rd shot, I guess?

A third dose of coronavirus vaccine may be needed to prevent serious cases of new variants of the disease, Bill Gates said Tuesday. The billionaire philanthropist's comments come amid to the growing concern that current vaccines are less effective against the South African and Brazilian variants.

"The discussion now is do we just need to get a super high coverage of the current vaccine, or do we need a third dose that's just the same, or do we need a modified vaccine?" Gates told "CBS Evening News" anchor and managing editor Norah O'Donnell.

"All five of the companies that have U.S. vaccines are looking at making that modification and adding that in so that people who've already had two shots might need to get a third shot," he said. "I think it's reasonably likely that we will have a tuned vaccine just to make absolutely sure that as these variants hit the U.S. that they're not escaping from vaccine protection."

Gates is funding studies in South Africa to determine whether the AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson and Novavax vaccines were as effective against the more contagious variant.

"AstraZeneca in particular has a challenge with the variant. And the other two, Johnson & Johnson and Novavax, are slightly less effective, but still effective enough that we absolutely should get them out as fast as we can while we study this idea of tuning the vaccine," Gates said.

If the coronavirus is not eradicated, he said, additional shots may be necessary in the future. "Probably not yearly, but as long as it's out there, we want as many Americans as possible not to be spreading it to each other," he said.

Dr. Scott Gottlieb, the former head of the Food and Drug Administration, told CBS News' "Face the Nation" on February 7 that he believed the vaccines currently being distributed in the U.S. would offer "reasonable protection" against the new variants, even if they are less effective against the new strains. Still, he said, it may also be necessary to administer booster shots in the fall.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-variants-third-shot-bill-gates/

 

[Jonfw2]

Get ready for a 3rd shot, I guess?

A third dose of coronavirus vaccine may be needed to prevent serious cases of new variants of the disease, Bill Gates said Tuesday. The billionaire philanthropist's comments come amid to the growing concern that current vaccines are less effective against the South African and Brazilian variants.

"The discussion now is do we just need to get a super high coverage of the current vaccine, or do we need a third dose that's just the same, or do we need a modified vaccine?" Gates told "CBS Evening News" anchor and managing editor Norah O'Donnell.

"All five of the companies that have U.S. vaccines are looking at making that modification and adding that in so that people who've already had two shots might need to get a third shot," he said. "I think it's reasonably likely that we will have a tuned vaccine just to make absolutely sure that as these variants hit the U.S. that they're not escaping from vaccine protection."

Gates is funding studies in South Africa to determine whether the AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson and Novavax vaccines were as effective against the more contagious variant.

"AstraZeneca in particular has a challenge with the variant. And the other two, Johnson & Johnson and Novavax, are slightly less effective, but still effective enough that we absolutely should get them out as fast as we can while we study this idea of tuning the vaccine," Gates said.

If the coronavirus is not eradicated, he said, additional shots may be necessary in the future. "Probably not yearly, but as long as it's out there, we want as many Americans as possible not to be spreading it to each other," he said.

Dr. Scott Gottlieb, the former head of the Food and Drug Administration, told CBS News' "Face the Nation" on February 7 that he believed the vaccines currently being distributed in the U.S. would offer "reasonable protection" against the new variants, even if they are less effective against the new strains. Still, he said, it may also be necessary to administer booster shots in the fall.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-variants-third-shot-bill-gates/

We are hearing rumors that the Moderna study will ask us to get a third dose.

 

[DLgal]

I'll get a shot every 6 months if I have to in order to avoid this virus and its potential long term effects.

 

[KrazeeK120]

Gottleib this morning: around 40% of Americans already have immunity.

Did he mention how? I don’t think # of cases + # vaccinated = 40%.

I know tone is difficult to read on the Internet. I’m not intending to be difficult/rude/defiant. I’m 100% genuinely curious.

 

[disneypharm]

For those who don't want the vaccine: Herd immunity at UC Davis

 

[Jonfw2]

Did he mention how? I don’t think # of cases + # vaccinated = 40%.

I know tone is difficult to read on the Internet. I’m not intending to be difficult/rude/defiant. I’m 100% genuinely curious.

He believes 1/3 of Americans have been infected.

 

[godisney14]

I think your wording here doesn't accurately represent what has been discussed and is known about the vaccine.

About the previous poster saying “the vaccine likely doesn’t prevent infection”?

 

[Farro]

About the previous poster saying “the vaccine likely doesn’t prevent infection”?

Not sure what you are getting at?