CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[Jonfw2]

Dvcgirl, let me be very clear:

I am not assuming anything. I’m quoting both the number and the term from an article in Barron’s.

 

[Pyotr]

My morning dose of good news!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1361799208433553417

 

[dvcgirl67]

Dvcgirl, let me be very clear:

I am not assuming anything. I’m quoting both the number and the term from an article in Barron’s.

I didn't say that you were assuming anything. I think Barron's is making some assumptions that all of that money will be spent when the pandemic is over.

 

[Jonfw2]

I didn't say that you were assuming anything. I think Barron's is making some assumptions that all of that money will be spent when the pandemic is over.

Your post started “you’re assuming”.

 

[Jonfw2]

My morning dose of good news!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1361799208433553417

This is exactly what a number of us agreed on here weeks ago.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Your post started “you’re assuming”.

Sorry....I should have said..."they're assuming."

 

[skeeter31]

Your post started “you’re assuming”.

You‘re referencing the wrong poster. DVCgirl didn’t post what you’re referring to.

 

[dvcgirl67]

You‘re referencing the wrong poster. DVCgirl didn’t post what you’re referring to.

You're right...I didn't go back to see what I actually said. But it's all good. Jonfw2 is a good guy who always brings excellent and interesting info to this thread. And I think if another poster said..."you're assuming" in response, it's not offensive.

 

[DLgal]

My morning dose of good news!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1361799208433553417

Huh...so now they DON'T think asymptomatic infection spreads the virus?

Isn't that basically the opposite of what they have been saying all along, though?

Just looking for clarification, because I have always been skeptical of the "asymptomatic infection is responsible for the majority of spread" claims.

 

[jlwhitney]

Huh...so now they DON'T think asymptomatic infection spreads the virus?

Isn't that basically the opposite of what they have been saying all along, though?

Just looking for clarification, because I have always been skeptical of the "asymptomatic infection is responsible for the majority of spread" claims.

WHO has already updated there stance on asymptomatic and that covid isn't covid with zero symptoms. This was a couple weeks ago now when they also changed the guidelines for the PCR tests saying too many false positives. They stated that if positive and no symptoms need to dig deeper if early on since exposure retest, if in the window that if positive and should have symptoms then its possible to assume they don't have it and its a false positive with a possibility of retesting.

For the most part there is no illness we are told we have even with no symptoms. At least in the main ones that are spread between humans. No symptoms means low viral load, very low and the lower the viral low the less you can spread. Now don't confuse this with pre symptomatic yes that transmission is real and it occurs shortly before symptoms because viral load is now high enough. It is confusing for sure.

 

[Pyotr]

Huh...so now they DON'T think asymptomatic infection spreads the virus?

Isn't that basically the opposite of what they have been saying all along, though?

Just looking for clarification, because I have always been skeptical of the "asymptomatic infection is responsible for the majority of spread" claims.

No. There are many papers out that state asymptomatic spread is extremely unlikely, if at all. The problem is that pre-symptomatic accounts for a good amount of transmission.

Here is a study that was published in late November. In Wuhan, China, contract tracing showed zero cases from contact with an asymptomatic person.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

 

[huskies90]

Huh...so now they DON'T think asymptomatic infection spreads the virus?

Isn't that basically the opposite of what they have been saying all along, though?

Just looking for clarification, because I have always been skeptical of the "asymptomatic infection is responsible for the majority of spread" claims.

Honestly, they simply don't know. That has always been the case with this virus. Many unknowns. There is a strong consensus that asymptomatic people do not spread but it also difficult to differentiate between people who have the virus and are asymptomatic and people that have the virus and pre-symptomatic meaning they just have not started showing symptoms yet. Therefore, to be safe, they assume everyone can spread it and to be cautious accordingly (mask wearing, social distance, etc). Abundance of caution.

 

[tink2424]

With international travel, it’s not so much of whether we (Americans) believe it is safe. It is more about how other countries view America as safe. As it stands, many foreign countries are very strict about non-essential travel and/or quarantine requirements for US passengers.

I agree but if the numbers keep dropping and stay low then they won't really have a reason to block anyone from traveling. It is all going to come down to the rates.

 

[jlwhitney]

No. There are many papers out that state asymptomatic spread is extremely unlikely, if at all. The problem is that pre-symptomatic accounts for a good amount of transmission.

Here is a study that was published in late November. In Wuhan, China, contract tracing showed zero cases from contact with an asymptomatic person.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

Pre symptomatic does but then the window from no symptoms to symptoms is 24-48 hours of spreading not this crazy spreading of asymptomatic for up to 14 days...that is a big deal.

 

[anniemae]

Dr. Fauci is now saying most people will be vaccinated by late summer early fall due to vaccine issues. I guess JnJ will not be able to produce as much as they originally promised. I was really hoping for the April timeline for vaccine availability. We had plans to travel this summer, but that will not happen without the vaccine. I guess I'll just plan of Fall and be happy with anything sooner.

 

[DLgal]

Okay, so I read the study abstract linked in the article and their consensus from analyzing OTHER studies is that there really isn't that much actual, fully asymptomatic infection and that most previous studies have biases or don't follow up to find out if symptoms developed later on. Their best guess is that "asymptomatic spread" accounts for 30% of transmission BUT those people counted as asymptomatic may not have been fully asymptomatic. They point out a need to study this much more in depth in a real world setting and with extensive follow up to make sure the reported asymptomatic people are ACTUALLY asymptomatic. The studies they examined, they went on self reporting which we know isn't super reliable.

 

[Jonfw2]

Dr. Fauci is now saying most people will be vaccinated by late summer early fall due to vaccine issues. I guess JnJ will not be able to produce as much as they originally promised. I was really hoping for the April timeline for vaccine availability. We had plans to travel this summer, but that will not happen without the vaccine. I guess I'll just plan of Fall and be happy with anything sooner.

Mid to late May...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/16/dr-...d-vaccine-availability-in-the-us-to-may-.html

 

[DLgal]

The second stimulus was in the form of debit cards. But, you could still use those to pay bills where the service provider accepts them.

I don't know anyone who got a debit card. I know a very small percentage did get them, but not anywhere near the majority of people.

 

[DopeyDame]

Huh...so now they DON'T think asymptomatic infection spreads the virus?

Isn't that basically the opposite of what they have been saying all along, though?

Just looking for clarification, because I have always been skeptical of the "asymptomatic infection is responsible for the majority of spread" claims.

Asymptomatic really just means you don't have symptoms at the moment, not that you never will. I've always assumed when they said asymptomatic infection spreads the virus, they really meant pre-symptomatic.
Someone who 12 hours later has a fever and body aches very well could have been spreading that throughout the day.

That's different from someone who has very low levels of the virus and their body fights those low levels off quickly (whether because of the vaccine or their natural body defenses)

 

[DLgal]

Mid to late May...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/16/dr-...d-vaccine-availability-in-the-us-to-may-.html

The important part of this is that it says "access to" a vaccine. Not a vaccine in people's arms. As a 42 year old healthy SAHM, I will "have access to" a vaccine whenever they open up appointments to people in my demographic. That doesn't mean it will be quick or easy to get the actual vaccine.

In my state, people over 75 have had "access to" vaccines since late December. Many are still waiting for their turn.

I'm more interested in the timeline of when the majority of Americans will have been FULLY VACCINATED.