CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[gwynne]

Things will absolutely get worse before they get better because of all the holiday socializing, restrictions of mandates, opening of bars, etc. Hospitals in my area are completely full, ICU's are full, people are dying not only of Covid, but of other issues because they can't get the care they need. It will be an ugly next 6-8 weeks.

Things will eventually get better as more people get vaccinated. In a year, we'll be at a new "normal" that will allow travel, eating out, and only a very low level of covid cases.

Thanks for this post. I think the point of letting people know it's going to be really tough for 6 or so weeks is important.
And hanging on until spring and summer will be so worth it.

 

[aggiedog]

From reading these boards, I think so much of anyone's out look is colored by where they are and what's being done regarding the pandemic. I'm in a rural area of a very red state. Lots of calls of "government tyranny!" regarding masks, etc. As a physician, who just had a local ER doctor friend die of Covid, I'm tired of the public not owning up to the fact that people are dying and a good chunk could be prevented if they'd just take some personal responsibility and/or actually care about their neighbors.

Off my soap box.

Yes, it's not getting worse because of mutations, that I know of, but I think it's still on point that we need to still say things are getting worse. I know people are tired of the pandemic. I'm tired of the pandemic. Telling them it's simply getting better because now we're vaccinating is not going to help the short term future.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

From reading these boards, I think so much of anyone's out look is colored by where they are and what's being done regarding the pandemic. I'm in a rural area of a very red state. Lots of calls of "government tyranny!" regarding masks, etc. As a physician, who just had a local ER doctor friend die of Covid, I'm tired of the public not owning up to the fact that people are dying and a good chunk could be prevented if they'd just take some personal responsibility and/or actually care about their neighbors.

Off my soap box.

Yes, it's not getting worse because of mutations, that I know of, but I think it's still on point that we need to still say things are getting worse. I know people are tired of the pandemic. I'm tired of the pandemic. Telling them it's simply getting better because now very vaccinating is not going to help the short term future.

Yeah again I said it's all how you say it. Same thing said a different can yield a different viewpoint. That's pretty basic.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

From reading these boards, I think so much of anyone's out look is colored by where they are and what's being done regarding the pandemic. I'm in a rural area of a very red state. Lots of calls of "government tyranny!" regarding masks, etc. As a physician, who just had a local ER doctor friend die of Covid, I'm tired of the public not owning up to the fact that people are dying and a good chunk could be prevented if they'd just take some personal responsibility and/or actually care about their neighbors.

Off my soap box.

Yes, it's not getting worse because of mutations, that I know of, but I think it's still on point that we need to still say things are getting worse. I know people are tired of the pandemic. I'm tired of the pandemic. Telling them it's simply getting better because now we're vaccinating is not going to help the short term future.

It's not really this forum completely, I'm seeing it on my social media where people are located everywhere, I'm seeing it in local news too so I guess I can see what people are talking about. I'm sorry to hear about your friend I don't think we need to avoid talking about the realities but maybe talking about how we are going to get through the mutations or how we can show that getting the vaccine to this group means in the long term our 'getting worse' will be shortened instead of drawn out.

Looking at how the vaccine thread is going people don't care so much about their neighbor unless their neighbor is them and it has nothing to do with not believing covid is real. It has more to do with they believe they (or someone they know) deserves to be protected over someone else. There's a level of self-sacrifice that is needed now that we have not seen before during this whole mess. We thought the hard part would be convincing people to care about others by wearing a mask. We thought the hard part would be convincing people to stay away from their family and friends and not traveling. Turns out the hardest part is convincing people that others matter than just themselves in a different way. There's a lot of "I (or whomever) matters more than this other person" that can't be fixed by just telling someone to wear a mask and stay home.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

And were is Jonfw2?

I wondered that myself. Maybe another 'break'? I don't want to guess too much. But I would really like to hear more of his experience with being in the trials especially now that vaccinations for the public have been really starting up.

 

[DLgal]

I'm not sure what isn't working with the current messaging, but I have a guess as to why approximately half of America can't get it's act together.

I keep seeing stats about poll results and vaccine willingness and it just boggles my mind. The very groups of people disproportionately affected negatively by this disease are the same ones saying they will absolutely NOT get the vaccine. Where is the logic? I can't understand this point of view.

My husband falls into one of those groups of people, statistically (one of the demographics adversely affected). He is jumping through hoops to get a vaccine at work (he is military). It can't happen soon enough for him. Why do HALF of people in his demographic not want a vaccine?

Can you tell I'm over high risk people refusing vaccines when we have ALL been sacrificing for almost a year on their behalf?

 

[RamblingMad]

I'm not sure what isn't working with the current messaging, but I have a guess as to why approximately half of America can't get it's act together.

I keep seeing stats about poll results and vaccine willingness and it just boggles my mind. The very groups of people disproportionately affected negatively by this disease are the same ones saying they will absolutely NOT get the vaccine. Where is the logic? I can't understand this point of view.

My husband falls into one of those groups of people, statistically (one of the demographics adversely affected). He is jumping through hoops to get a vaccine at work (he is military). It can't happen soon enough for him. Why do HALF of people in his demographic not want a vaccine?

Can you tell I'm over high risk people refusing vaccines when we have ALL been sacrificing for almost a year on their behalf?

People don't get the flu shot every year, so I'm not surprised. Unless it's mandatory, everyone won't get it.

 

[DLgal]

People don't get the flu shot every year, so I'm not surprised. Unless it's mandatory, everyone won't get it.

I can't even believe I have to say this, but this isn't the flu. This many people don't die from the flu every year. I'm shocked people aren't more scared.

 

[RamblingMad]

I can't even believe I have to say this, but this isn't the flu. This many people don't die from the flu every year. I'm shocked people aren't more scared.

It's COVID fatigue. You see memes going around telling them how few people die from it that they don't even consider the after effects of having had it.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I can't even believe I have to say this, but this isn't the flu. This many people don't die from the flu every year. I'm shocked people aren't more scared.

I went something like 20-25+ years without getting the flu until this past year (that span of time is accounting for when I was young and assuming I've had it at least once in my lifetime before last year). I do not at all have those same odds whatsoever with covid, the urgency in protection is a lot higher right now.

To me I don't see a point in comparing it to how many people get the flu vaccine and using that for why someone isn't surprised that people are balking at getting the covid vaccine. What we're dealing with isn't the flu, it's not comparable to the flu and the more comparisons to the flu the more you open the flood gates to people using that as a means downplay it.

 

[Lumpy1106]

Has there been any GOOD news about vaccine distribution? I guess Orange County is getting a handle on it but LA County - whew! Who knew that could be so messed up? I'm trying to get my 75 yo mother vaccinated and she lives across the street from where one of the big distribution centers is being set up. She needs an appointment to walk across the street and get the shot. OK, how do you get an appointment? Uuuhhhh... working on it - we'll have an app for that next week. OK, but there are people there getting vaccines TODAY, how did they get an appointment? There's a number you can call or you can send an e-mail, but the response is (I can't make this up), there will be an app for that next week. AND, this is Long Beach - we have our own health department and have control over our own vaccine distribution. In LA County you can't even get that much info and the news is saying 75 and over can get an appointment starting in February. Meanwhile there are millions of vaccine doses sitting on refrigerated shelves and they are doing heavy ad campaigns to convince people to get vaccinated. That includes a highly publicized press conference where the mayor got vaccinated to show his confidence in it. How about we fix the distribution and you show long lines of willing and eager people getting vaccinated instead - wouldn't that have a much greater effect?

Sadly, this appears to be the norm for most of the nation. The division by zero here is staggering.

 

[godisney14]

You are taking RamblingMad’s comment in a wrong way I think. It was just mentioned that there are many people who don’t even get a flu vaccine.

It’s hard enough to get Americans to do the most basic, simple, and least invasive things that could prevent such catastrophic numbers, including wearing a mask and agreeing to tokenized contact tracing. Other countries have shown over and over that these simple acts can keep the numbers low.

Expecting everyone to get a vaccine unless it’s mandatory will be tough as well.

That’s also a truth regardless of how you want it to be said.

ETA: US is about average among developed nations for % of population willing to get initial vaccine. But, there is no major country from some of the surveys I’ve seen with a greater than 75% of population willing to be in initial vaccination.

 

[mom2rtk]

Has there been any GOOD news about vaccine distribution? I guess Orange County is getting a handle on it but LA County - whew! Who knew that could be so messed up? I'm trying to get my 75 yo mother vaccinated and she lives across the street from where one of the big distribution centers is being set up. She needs an appointment to walk across the street and get the shot. OK, how do you get an appointment? Uuuhhhh... working on it - we'll have an app for that next week. OK, but there are people there getting vaccines TODAY, how did they get an appointment? There's a number you can call or you can send an e-mail, but the response is (I can't make this up), there will be an app for that next week. AND, this is Long Beach - we have our own health department and have control over our own vaccine distribution. In LA County you can't even get that much info and the news is saying 75 and over can get an appointment starting in February. Meanwhile there are millions of vaccine doses sitting on refrigerated shelves and they are doing heavy ad campaigns to convince people to get vaccinated. That includes a highly publicized press conference where the mayor got vaccinated to show his confidence in it. How about we fix the distribution and you show long lines of willing and eager people getting vaccinated instead - wouldn't that have a much greater effect?

Sadly, this appears to be the norm for most of the nation. The division by zero here is staggering.

Has she considered just "hanging out" around the distribution site in case they have leftover doses at the end of the day?

Only half kidding.

 

[godisney14]

Has there been any GOOD news about vaccine distribution? I guess Orange County is getting a handle on it but LA County - whew! Who knew that could be so messed up? I'm trying to get my 75 yo mother vaccinated and she lives across the street from where one of the big distribution centers is being set up. She needs an appointment to walk across the street and get the shot. OK, how do you get an appointment? Uuuhhhh... working on it - we'll have an app for that next week. OK, but there are people there getting vaccines TODAY, how did they get an appointment? There's a number you can call or you can send an e-mail, but the response is (I can't make this up), there will be an app for that next week. AND, this is Long Beach - we have our own health department and have control over our own vaccine distribution. In LA County you can't even get that much info and the news is saying 75 and over can get an appointment starting in February. Meanwhile there are millions of vaccine doses sitting on refrigerated shelves and they are doing heavy ad campaigns to convince people to get vaccinated. That includes a highly publicized press conference where the mayor got vaccinated to show his confidence in it. How about we fix the distribution and you show long lines of willing and eager people getting vaccinated instead - wouldn't that have a much greater effect?

Sadly, this appears to be the norm for most of the nation. The division by zero here is staggering.

To be fair, Orange Co has ~3M residents and Los Angeles Co has ~10M residents.

Good luck to you with the vaccine.

 

[RamblingMad]

Both of my parents now qualify to get the vaccine based on their age. There are no appointments available this month. It's going to be a long year.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

You are taking RamblingMad’s comment in a wrong way I think. It was just mentioned that there are many people who don’t even get a flu vaccine.

It’s hard enough to get Americans to do the most basic, simple, and least invasive things that could prevent such catastrophic numbers, including wearing a mask and agreeing to tokenized contact tracing. Other countries have shown over and over that these simple acts can keep the numbers low.

Expecting everyone to get a vaccine unless it’s mandatory will be tough as well.

That’s also a truth regardless of how you want it to be said.

ETA: US is about average among developed nations for % of population willing to get initial vaccine. But, there is no major country from some of the surveys I’ve seen with a greater than 75% of population willing to be in initial vaccination.

I understood perfectly well what his point was but thanks for your concern. Seems you made the point without discussing how many people don't get the flu vaccine, I understood the point. I disagreed with the delivery and made a counterpoint surrounding framing the optics in terms of the flu as if we need more of those comparisons out there. YMMV.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Has she considered just "hanging out" around the distribution site in case they have leftover doses at the end of the day?

Only half kidding.

Worked for a guy in D.C. who went in for groceries at Safeway and walked out having gotten the 1st dose of the vaccine and he didn't even have to hang out!

 

[KBoopaloo]

Both of my parents now qualify to get the vaccine based on their age. There are no appointments available this month. It's going to be a long year.

As far as I can tell my state doesn’t even have an appointment system yet - we just started vaccinating first responders this week. My parents are over 70 and my mom is extremely high risk and we still have no real sense of when she might get the vaccine other than “February.” Based on how slowly it has gone here so far, late February seems most likely if it happens at all. It’s frustrating.

 

[Lumpy1106]

Has she considered just "hanging out" around the distribution site in case they have leftover doses at the end of the day?

Only half kidding.

You know, if there was only some big company near by that was really good at managing lines of people that we could learn from

I really wish CA would drop the whole "equitable distribution" nonsense. LA County in particular is taking it very seriously - they will not start vaccinating the 1B group until the 1A group is done...except they do. If you are high enough profile (like say, a mayor...you know, for example) they those people are getting the vaccine.
But I digress (sorry)...

Meanwhile, restricting the groups so they don't overlap is really slowing things down. It should be like getting on an airplane - sure you are in First Class and you get called first, but the airlines don't go and scour the terminal area looking for that one last 1st class passenger to finish up in the bathroom before loading the rest of the plane. They'll get on when they get on.

 

[robinb]

Not sure that this matters all that much since many states seem to be struggling with distributing the vaccines they already have but it does appear to be an issue for some places that had announced expanded vaccination efforts starting in the next week to ten days (like Oregon) or states that were expecting additional vaccines as reward for moving quickly (like West Virginia and Connecticut).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1350097480642424836

It matters a lot. It means that one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.