Casey Anthony TRIAL thread #2

[Nancy]

Yeah - Wendy called the FBI examiner a 12 year old. The other woman laughed and said "Did you just call her a 12 year old?" and Wendy said she did and Wendy also called her inexperienced. She called her inexperienced because the FBI Agent Fontaine didn't take a photo of the sticker on the duct tape and was going by the residue left behind. Wendy said that she should've taken a photo. The other woman said "She said she didn't because she was following protocol" (which is what Fontaine said) and that Fontaine went back to take the photo but the sticker was removed. And then Wendy said "Well, she should've taken the photo to begin with.

Ummm ... me thinks Wendy has never had to follow FBI protocol. Fontaine was just doing what she was told to do. I bet if she did otherwise, she'd probably have gotten into huge trouble.

Dr. Kobilinsky is saying that the video of the skull is prejudicial. Says the duct tape is a big question since there's no DNA on it, no proof by state that it was used as the murder weapon. However, in testimony, the forensic anthropologist, Michael Warren states that the position of the mandible was held in place by the duct tape. Mark Nejame just said that the plant growth might've held the mandible in place. But, if the duct tape was there, someone had to have put it there. They all agree that they don't know if the tape was placed pre-mortem, peri-mortem, or post-mortem.

HLN wants to know what we think the duct tape tells us in this case. So ... what do YOU think it tells us?

I think it tells us that someone wanted her to not be able to cry or breath...and when you add it all up there is only 1 person that comes up on the list.

 

[CurlyGirl]

Right now on HLN, Jane Velez Mitchell is saying that Casey looked medicated today and that she hasn't been taking notes like she used to. Thoughts?

Mystery prosecution witness coming to stand at 1 pm tomorrow and they're wondering who it will be. Tattoo artist? Prison pen pal? Someone else? Hmmm ...

People are saying they don't think the state has proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt. They're talking about leaving out the fight with Cindy, the cholorform, the Kronk thing.

 

[dnoyes]

Yeah - Wendy called the FBI examiner a 12 year old. The other woman laughed and said "Did you just call her a 12 year old?" and Wendy said she did and Wendy also called her inexperienced. She called her inexperienced because the FBI Agent Fontaine didn't take a photo of the sticker on the duct tape and was going by the residue left behind. Wendy said that she should've taken a photo. The other woman said "She said she didn't because she was following protocol" (which is what Fontaine said) and that Fontaine went back to take the photo but the sticker was removed. And then Wendy said "Well, she should've taken the photo to begin with.

Ummm ... me thinks Wendy has never had to follow FBI protocol. Fontaine was just doing what she was told to do. I bet if she did otherwise, she'd probably have gotten into huge trouble.

Dr. Kobilinsky is saying that the video of the skull is prejudicial. Says the duct tape is a big question since there's no DNA on it, no proof by state that it was used as the murder weapon. However, in testimony, the forensic anthropologist, Michael Warren states that the position of the mandible was held in place by the duct tape. Mark Nejame just said that the plant growth might've held the mandible in place. But, if the duct tape was there, someone had to have put it there. They all agree that they don't know if the tape was placed pre-mortem, peri-mortem, or post-mortem.

HLN wants to know what we think the duct tape tells us in this case. So ... what do YOU think it tells us?

It tells me that body fluids were starting to become a problem.

 

[jeanadave]

Don't forget that just because the prosecution ends this particular phase of the trial, they are not done. The state can still call additional witnesses during their rebuttal once they hear what stories the defense spins.

 

[momrek06]

Hi everyone,

I'm finally back from my appointment today. (boy can they keep you waiting)

IT"S WORKING.

Nicole's fluid is almost drained from between her lungs and the chest wall and the hydrops is starting to drain out now. the dr said it would take up to 2 weeks for all the fluid to drain out but she's looking good now.

i have to go back wed for another appointment/scan/consultation with the specialist and the genitics side to see if there is anything that wasn't tested for on the amnio. they'll be setting up an appointment for me to meet the NICU team and i suppose they'll all be able to tell me whats going to happen from now on. at least once a week for scans.

no mention yet of any induction or anything so i guess this will come in our conversation on wednesday as i'll be 34 weeks

so it's very positive news today.

Thanks for all the support everyone.

YEAH YEAH YEAH!!! Good News indeed, Kurbs!!!

 

[CurlyGirl]

Is Casey going to take the witness stand? It seems like this is a debate on will she or won't she.

She has a choice whether to take the stand or not?

 

[diznygirl]

Kurby -


As for that crazy Wendy Murphy - by the time the FBI got the duct tape to conduct tests on it should have been photographed a bunch of times already. That wasn't their job to do. If she wants to blame someone, then she should blame Orange County.


Can't wait to see what the prosecution has in store for us tomorrow.

 

[CurlyGirl]

Wait what? Casey wanted to give Caylee up for adoption and Cindy said no?

Is that truth or hearsay? If that's the truth, then why didn't Casey just say "You wanted this kid and I didn't, so either I sign custody over to you or she goes up for adoption!"? Why did she kill her instead!?

 

[AristocatFan]

From this article: http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20110613/casey.anthony.heart/

"Prosecutors contend Casey killed Caylee on June 16, 2008 by wrapping duct tape three times around the toddler's head, nose and mouth."

I didn't think the tape went completely around her head?

 

[AristocatFan]

Wait what? Casey wanted to give Caylee up for adoption and Cindy said no?

Is that truth or hearsay? If that's the truth, then why didn't Casey just say "You wanted this kid and I didn't, so either I sign custody over to you or she goes up for adoption!"? Why did she kill her instead!?

I think it was to hurt Cindy. Just like when a couple splits up and for whatever reason the guy/girl kills the kids. They just usually also attempt to kill themselves but Casey is too much of a sociopath for that.

 

[ugadog99]

Hi y'all! I've been out all day and just catching up. Seems I didn't miss too much today.

Kurby: That is wonderful news!! You and the baby will stay in my thoughts!

 

[irishbosoxfan]

I don't know if anyone was aware of this, but on HLN, some woman named Jane (she has some show on HLN) is talking about how Casey's friend, upon hearing/seeing the sticker on the duct tape stated (in a story sold to the National Inquirer) that she was stunned over that bit of evidence because when she and Casey were younger, they'd bury their dead pets in the same area as Caylee was buried and they would put the dead pets in a plastic bag and would put heart stickers on the bag.

They're wondering if she'll be called as a witness in some way but are afraid that, because she's sold her story to the NI, they're going to try to mess with credibility and grill her on why she sold the story.

And who the heck gets a Bella Vita tattoo when their kid is "allegedly" missing?! Seriously!?!?!?

I remember reading the interview when it first came out inregards to the pet cemetary. We went nuts trying to figure out what area by the school she was talking about. It was after that interview came out that Kronk started looking for the remains.

Does anyone have information on maybe a link to a timeline or something like that?

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_directory_index.htm

This is a really good one!

Well I hope you checked the trunk after the car was brought home from the tow yard....no weird smells in there

I thought there would be more to the prosecution story. Do we know if there was contested testimony or evidence they couldn"t get in? Have they decided they can't prove enough to get a death penalty. I am worried at this point somehow.

Can't wait to hear the defense. So far their performance has been, well, strange.

I heard that the prosecution didn't want to go into everything at the trial because it would confuse the jury.

They wanted to stick to the main points of the case.

 

[joviroxx]

Hi everyone,

I'm finally back from my appointment today. (boy can they keep you waiting)

IT"S WORKING.

.

Kirby, thats such great news! I'll keep praying for both of you!

 

[kidshop]

Yeah - Wendy called the FBI examiner a 12 year old. The other woman laughed and said "Did you just call her a 12 year old?" and Wendy said she did and Wendy also called her inexperienced. She called her inexperienced because the FBI Agent Fontaine didn't take a photo of the sticker on the duct tape and was going by the residue left behind. Wendy said that she should've taken a photo. The other woman said "She said she didn't because she was following protocol" (which is what Fontaine said) and that Fontaine went back to take the photo but the sticker was removed. And then Wendy said "Well, she should've taken the photo to begin with.

Ummm ... me thinks Wendy has never had to follow FBI protocol. Fontaine was just doing what she was told to do. I bet if she did otherwise, she'd probably have gotten into huge trouble.

Dr. Kobilinsky is saying that the video of the skull is prejudicial. Says the duct tape is a big question since there's no DNA on it, no proof by state that it was used as the murder weapon. However, in testimony, the forensic anthropologist, Michael Warren states that the position of the mandible was held in place by the duct tape. Mark Nejame just said that the plant growth might've held the mandible in place. But, if the duct tape was there, someone had to have put it there. They all agree that they don't know if the tape was placed pre-mortem, peri-mortem, or post-mortem.

HLN wants to know what we think the duct tape tells us in this case. So ... what do YOU think it tells us?

Well, it tells me that someone put duct tape over the mouth and nose of a 2 y/o who was found dead, bagged and hidden. We know she died June 16 and the claim is now accidental drowning, but then what is the duct tape for? I can't wait for Jose to tell us! There is no nanny and no kidnapping, just Casey and George according to the defense. If that is their story, it's still Casey IMO. George does not have a reason not to call 911 to report the drowning and he certainly did not duct tape Caylee and dump her. And neither did Kronk (I forgot about him!).

 

[diznygirl]

Simple - I think the duct tape tells us that this was not an accidental death.

Therefore, the defense is a sham.

I really hope she gets the death penalty.

 

[Kurby]

It's not as easy to make cloriform as i thought.

it takes longer then casey's short attention span - so i'm wondering if she actually did make it or bought it somewhere

a lot of stuff would have been left behind as clues


Step 1
Handling chloroform.


•Chloroform should always be handled by qualified persons or under qualified supervision.
•Children and pets should NEVER be allowed to come close to the chemical.
•Always wear protective gear and follow lab safety and chemical safety practices when handling chloroform.
•Chloroform reacts with oxygen to make phosgene, a chemical gas which when consumed causes irreparable damage to your body organs. Chloroform also turns into phosgene faster under direct sunlight (radiation).

Step 2
Storing chloroform. If chloroform needs to be stored, the following precautions are necessary:


•Always store in an amber or brown glass bottle and NOT in plastic or metal containers
•To store, fill the bottle all the way up to the top
•Never store it for not longer than a week as it will start decomposing.
•Never inhale chloroform made in the manner given below.



Step 3
Making chloroform. To make chloroform, you will require the following laboratory chemicals and ingredients:


•Bleach
•Pure acetone, which is available at hardware stores
•Ice
•Glassware, which will allow clear vision of the solution inside
•Separation funnel

Step 4
Making the chloroform. Wear protective gear like goggles, gloves, and so on to ensure you are well protected. The instructions to make chloroform are listed in an easy-to-follow bulleted list:


•Start by filling up a glass container with half a liter of bleach
•Lower the temperature of the bleach solution by adding ice also into the container and allowing it to cool.
•Pour 10 ml of the acetone (to maintain a ratio of 1: 50, one part acetone to fifty parts of bleach) into the container.
•Add some more ice to keep the temperature low. Replacing the cubes that have already melted will ensure this. The bleach must be kept cool as otherwise it will emit fumes of bleach and chloroform.
•Keep aside for 20 minutes to ensure complete reaction. In a while clouding up can be seen with an increase in temperature.
•Allow time for the reaction to settle. This will take about half an hour, but if after this time also the solution does not appear to be settling, a stir will help.
•Once settled, you will see either be a white powder residue or a bubble at the bottom. This is chloroform.
•Pour the solution out with care, ensuring that no powder or bubble leaves the container.
•Now the pure chloroform, which remains in the glass container, can be extracted with a separation funnel.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

But in an embarrassing blow, Dr Haskell told the court that Mr Baez had also consulted him as an expert at one point and still owed him money.

Mr Baez said: 'The check is in the mail"

Got'cha!

That does me good to see that again.

Well I hope you checked the trunk after the car was brought home from the tow yard....no weird smells in there

I quizzed him about what was in his trunk...I told him I've learned a lot from this trial. He told me I was starting to sound creepy and that he was going to a friend's house to watch the hockey game. I told him to be careful where he parked. He asked me if I was going to let go of the parking incident. I told him no.

Interesting article about Roy Kronk.
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/28223487/detail.html

about Kronk's "possible history".

Alrighty then. But, was he ever accused or convicted of anything? I think his ex-wife or ex-wives made that claim on a show, but I'm not sure which show, or if the article is getting the information from there. But geez, I hope there's nothing that's going to take the focus off of Casey. This is getting curiouser and curiouser. The suspense is killing me.

Hi everyone,

I'm finally back from my appointment today. (boy can they keep you waiting)

IT"S WORKING.

Nicole's fluid is almost drained from between her lungs and the chest wall and the hydrops is starting to drain out now. the dr said it would take up to 2 weeks for all the fluid to drain out but she's looking good now.

i have to go back wed for another appointment/scan/consultation with the specialist and the genitics side to see if there is anything that wasn't tested for on the amnio. they'll be setting up an appointment for me to meet the NICU team and i suppose they'll all be able to tell me whats going to happen from now on. at least once a week for scans.

no mention yet of any induction or anything so i guess this will come in our conversation on wednesday as i'll be 34 weeks

so it's very positive news today.

Thanks for all the support everyone.

Wonderful news!!! I feel like our thread is going to a have a baby! We've got trial watch, and we have Kurby and Nicole watch.

Michael Warren states that the position of the mandible was held in place by the duct tape. Mark Nejame just said that the plant growth might've held the mandible in place. But, if the duct tape was there, someone had to have put it there. They all agree that they don't know if the tape was placed pre-mortem, peri-mortem, or post-mortem.

HLN wants to know what we think the duct tape tells us in this case. So ... what do YOU think it tells us?

I've heard that it was the duct tape holding the mandible in place, and I've heard it was the plant/root growth.

What does the duct tape tell us? I think everything points to Casey. I think she most likely put it over her mouth and nose...3 pieces...to stop her breathing. With a little heart sticker as a kiss goodbye.

It tells me that body fluids were starting to become a problem.

But the mouth isn't the only place fluids will be released after death, and I don't think there was any other prevention.

To answer your question. Cindy clearly said in her testimony that Caylee would climb the ladder with her (cindy) right behind her to make sure she didn't fall. Then Caylee would sit on the platform, Cindy would then get into the pool and then Caylee would usually jump into her arms to be caught.

I never heard her say Caylee went up the ladder by herself, but she always had Cindy helping her. She never climbed into the water by herself, she had to wait for a grownup to tell her it was OK to come in.

My impression is of her doing what my kids used to do at that age. Sitting on the platform with their feet dangling into the water and as soon as I said ok..they would sorta of launch themselves from that sitting position into the pool where I would catch them.

I vaguely remember (because it's been so long since my kids were little) about all the precautions that were taught to the kids during swimming lessons about getting in a pool. I would imagine that most intelligent people (ie, Cindy and George Anthony) would be very conscientious about teaching a young child pool safety. Not that it always works, obviously. Believe me, my kids have surprised me more than once by doing things when they were little that I was SURE they understood was not safe. But I do think that George and Cindy were conscientious grandparents, and they had a routine for going in the pool, and that's how kids learn...from a routine. They learn..."This is how we do it...every time."

Don't forget that just because the prosecution ends this particular phase of the trial, they are not done. The state can still call additional witnesses during their rebuttal once they hear what stories the defense spins.

At this point in the trial, it might be a good idea to throw this out there fairly regularly! TY!

Is Casey going to take the witness stand? It seems like this is a debate on will she or won't she.

She has a choice whether to take the stand or not?

It's ultimately up to her. First post has a link to the first thread, where we took a poll. But anyone's guess at this point is just that...a guess.

From this article: http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20110613/casey.anthony.heart/

"Prosecutors contend Casey killed Caylee on June 16, 2008 by wrapping duct tape three times around the toddler's head, nose and mouth."

I didn't think the tape went completely around her head?

I don't think so, but it went very wide, and into her hair.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Well, it tells me that someone put duct tape over the mouth and nose of a 2 y/o who was found dead, bagged and hidden. We know she died June 16 and the claim is now accidental drowning, but then what is the duct tape for? I can't wait for Jose to tell us! There is no nanny and no kidnapping, just Casey and George according to the defense. If that is their story, it's still Casey IMO. George does not have a reason not to call 911 to report the drowning and he certainly did not duct tape Caylee and dump her. And neither did Kronk (I forgot about him!).

He's going to tell us Kronk did that. How and why is anybody's guess at this point. I'm hoping that the prosecutors have gotten Kronk in a room and shone a bright light in his eyes and said "Tell us everything." The end of this trial is not the time to get blindsided.

It's not as easy to make cloriform as i thought.

it takes longer then casey's short attention span - so i'm wondering if she actually did make it or bought it somewhere

a lot of stuff would have been left behind as clues

Step 1
Handling chloroform.

•Chloroform should always be handled by qualified persons or under qualified supervision.
•Children and pets should NEVER be allowed to come close to the chemical.
•Always wear protective gear and follow lab safety and chemical safety practices when handling chloroform.
•Chloroform reacts with oxygen to make phosgene, a chemical gas which when consumed causes irreparable damage to your body organs. Chloroform also turns into phosgene faster under direct sunlight (radiation).

Step 2
Storing chloroform. If chloroform needs to be stored, the following precautions are necessary:

•Always store in an amber or brown glass bottle and NOT in plastic or metal containers
•To store, fill the bottle all the way up to the top
•Never store it for not longer than a week as it will start decomposing.
•Never inhale chloroform made in the manner given below.

Step 3
Making chloroform. To make chloroform, you will require the following laboratory chemicals and ingredients:

•Bleach
•Pure acetone, which is available at hardware stores
•Ice
•Glassware, which will allow clear vision of the solution inside
•Separation funnel

Step 4
Making the chloroform. Wear protective gear like goggles, gloves, and so on to ensure you are well protected. The instructions to make chloroform are listed in an easy-to-follow bulleted list:

•Start by filling up a glass container with half a liter of bleach
•Lower the temperature of the bleach solution by adding ice also into the container and allowing it to cool.
•Pour 10 ml of the acetone (to maintain a ratio of 1: 50, one part acetone to fifty parts of bleach) into the container.
•Add some more ice to keep the temperature low. Replacing the cubes that have already melted will ensure this. The bleach must be kept cool as otherwise it will emit fumes of bleach and chloroform.
•Keep aside for 20 minutes to ensure complete reaction. In a while clouding up can be seen with an increase in temperature.
•Allow time for the reaction to settle. This will take about half an hour, but if after this time also the solution does not appear to be settling, a stir will help.
•Once settled, you will see either be a white powder residue or a bubble at the bottom. This is chloroform.
•Pour the solution out with care, ensuring that no powder or bubble leaves the container.
•Now the pure chloroform, which remains in the glass container, can be extracted with a separation funnel.

OK...any volunteers want to try making it and report back? Kurby's already in trouble for searching it. And I've been known to screw up StoveTop Stuffing, so I'm out. Don't want to blow up my house.

 

[CurlyGirl]

Maybe someone else made the chloroform for Casey?

Doesn't seem that difficult, though. The only difficult part (imo) would be removing the liquid and keeping the cholorform behind.

And, explanation for the supplies - Acetone? She was removing her nail polish. Bleach? I had to wash my whites.

Granted, how you explain having those things and looking up choloroform 80+ times does not help her case ...

On a side note, I'm watching Nancy Grace and she said something at the beginning of her show about a psychic being called in? She has yet to say anything more about it and she only has 2 minutes left in her show. Does anyone know if someone's calling a psychic to the stand or what?

Nancy Grace sounds like she's ready to cry at any second. And, I have to say that I hate how she calls this Tot Mom Trial. Is everyone calling it that or just her? Duct Tape Murder sounds so much better.

Some guy is on saying that people call 911 when a child drowns because most of the time, they really don't know how long the child was out of their sight and how long they spent in the water. Because they don't know if the child was in the water for 5 seconds of 15 minutes, they call 911 with the hope of reviving them.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Simple - I think the duct tape tells us that this was not an accidental death.

Therefore, the defense is a sham.

I really hope she gets the death penalty.

In a nutshell.