Casey Anthony Civil Trials Discussion

[LisaR]

Yup! Perfect examples are the whole "I work at Universal Studios" thing. She never thought that out, never thought "What happens when they start investigating this and find out I didn't work there?"

And, she never thought about what would happen when the police found out there was no Zanny the Nanny. Or when the woman they did find said she had nothing to do with CA.

She never looked at the "big picture". She just looked at what she needed to do until the next thing popped up. And, when she ran out of hallways and found herself at a dead end, she had to admit that there was no job and there was no nanny.

Refresh my memory ... did she discuss Zanny the Nanny prior to going to the apartment complex and seeing Zenaida Gonsalez's info.? Because if she came up with the name Zanny months before seeing this woman's name at the complex well, wow -- talk about a "lucky break" for her! Bought her some time, you know?

I asked this multiple times during the trial. The only confirmation that I have heard so far of the actual name Zanny has come from Cindy - and we all know how reliable that is. She claims that Casey talked about Zanny all the time. I have not heard anyone else confirm the name Zanny. I have heard many people say that Caylee was with the nanny but not the actual name Zanny. I may have missed it, though. But yes, if she was using this name all along and then this women with this uncommon name shows up at the same apartment complex, wow!

 

[CurlyGirl]

I asked this multiple times during the trial. The only confirmation that I have heard so far of the actual name Zanny has come from Cindy - and we all know how reliable that is. She claims that Casey talked about Zanny all the time. I have not heard anyone else confirm the name Zanny. I have heard many people say that Caylee was with the nanny but not the actual name Zanny. I may have missed it, though. But yes, if she was using this name all along and then this women with this uncommon name shows up at the same apartment complex, wow!

I thought one of Casey's friends said that she used the name Zanny? Maybe the ex-boyfriend who testified? Anyway ... if she chose the name before hitting the apartment complex, wow -- she hit the jackpot!!!

With that said, I was at Barnes & Noble today and picked up Jeff Ashton's new book. Alas ... it is a gift and I had the volunteer gift wrappers wrap it for me since I knew I'd be tempted to start reading it! I can't give a used book as a gift!!!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I don't think there was a mystery person either which is what makes this case even sadder. I think Casey did spend a lot of time with Caylee in those 18 months or so so she did have a chance to bond with her and form a relationship. If she didn't have a relationship with her at all, I could see that she would just kill Caylee because she didn't care at all about her. Instead, from all accounts of past friends and family members, Casey was actually a pretty decent mother for awhile (not mother of the year but there were certainly much worse parents walking around at that time). Yet, even after that bonding, she was able to not only kill her own daughter but not feel an ounce of remorse.

I've always found that aspect of people fascinating. You have the kids that hurt animals growing up, beat up their siblings, and were bullies in school so when you hear that they killed someone, it isn't much of a stretch. I have never understood those that appear to be normal, have healthy relationships, brought up in fairly stable homes, and then they kill someone just to simplify their lives when there were so many other options.

Here's the thing (IMO)...I think that Casey was a "show" mom. I've met people like her. The people who play loudly with their children in public (meaning, in front of other people, be it on a video, in front of grandparents and friends, at a park, etc), laughing and joyously...doing the fun stuff. I don't necessarily mean that translates to NOT having fun with the child when no one is around, but I also don' t think that any of it shows how the parent FEELS about the child. Cindy and George were doing, it seems, a lot of the caretaking. Even when Casey may have had to do that bit of "mothering", I don't think she really felt the warmth and unconditional love for Caylee. I think she doesn't truly connect, with anyone.

I've wondered that too about "normal homes" that produce ****ed up people. I don't know. Were they that normal? Maybe they really were born with certain tendencies, and for a while, their good upbringing carried them through life, when below the surface, there were traits that were lurking that lead to some horrendous outcome. I know...it's confusing, and fascinating. I've asked some of these same questions about some of my relatives.

I agree with all of that. I know that is exactly what most teen moms go through. Thankfully, most don't end up killing their child. Most either put on their big girl panties and handle their responsibilities or they pawn the kid off on their parents. Why, oh why couldn't Casey have just given Caylee to G & C? They would have gladly raised her while Casey partied on. Some teens are in horrible situations where they don't have anyone to turn to and zero help. Casey had such an easy answer but she was too selfish to take it.

See, I don't believe that could have happened for a few reasons. I think that George and Cindy wanted Casey to take responsibility for her daughter. Of course they loved Caylee...as grandparents. George and Cindy are around my age, and I tell you...as a soon-to-be grandmother, I do NOT want to be a parent again! Surely, if I ever foresaw my child MURDERING my grandchild, I'd be taking that child in a second. But my FIRST goal would be to try to facilitate my child's parenting of his/her child.

And, I don't think Casey would let George and Cindy have Caylee. Caylee was the biggest weapon she had against her parents. I would LOVE to know what went on behind closed doors between Cindy, George and Casey. We've gotten some info...Casey lying, George standing up to her and being told by Cindy to step back, Cindy either trying to smooth things over or having confrontations herself with Casey. But the actual play by play? Wow. Must've been something. Even if Casey would EVER consider letting her parents have Caylee, it wasn't going to be at that point, when all hell was brreaking loose with her parents.

You got it! Casey is an attention ho. What better way to get attention than with a pregnancy and baby! However, I don't think Casey ever thought things through about what happens when your friends no longer find your baby (or your talk about your baby) interesting. Especially when they cannot relate and would rather be partying ...

Apparently, Casey never thinks things through properly ...

Exactly. Supposedly, she wanted to give her up for adoption (did we only hear that from that friend of hers who gave an interview to the Enquirer...the friend who used to go to the pet burials with Casey?), but even if that were true, once Caylee was born and she saw the attention they both got, she was loving it. For a while.

My DD is close to 9 months pregnant. (Oh my God, I'm so not ready!) She and my other DD got together about a week and half ago, and sent me a picture. With what pregnant DD was wearing, it's very difficult to tell she's even pregnant. A few days before, she and I went to buy the crib...the salesperson asked if she already had the baby. And she was over 8 months pregnant. Where am I going with this you ask? I think Casey could very well have easily hidden the pregnancy for a very long time. I used to think that a skinny person couldn't, but DD is 5'9+" and normally 120 lbs or so. And I think that Casey enjoyed "showing" at that wedding, for that picture. I think she liked sticking it to her parents. Maybe I'm wrong. But I think that was all part of the sticking it to her parents that eventually contributed to her killing Caylee.

Refresh my memory ... did she discuss Zanny the Nanny prior to going to the apartment complex and seeing Zenaida Gonsalez's info.? Because if she came up with the name Zanny months before seeing this woman's name at the complex well, wow -- talk about a "lucky break" for her! Bought her some time, you know?

Don't know when Zanny the Nanny came into the picture. I'm wondering if "she" was Xanax, and the extended name only came about after Casey saw the name at the apartment complex and said "wha la!" (Cuz Casey wouldn't say "voila!" LOL) and filed it away for future use. Cindy said that Caylee talked about Zanny's dog, but who knows...did Cindy lie? Did Casey spin some story to Caylee? Show her a dog (real or plush) and say "That's Zanny's dog" or some such thing? I think Casey had to, at that point, start making Zanny "real" for Caylee, in some way, because she WAS starting to talk about things. Maybe that was getting harder to pull off.

This may have been covered during the trial and I just forgot about it or missed it but the part in the book about her trying to get into Universal was hilarious. I remember them talking about her walk through Universal and all the hallways but I just don't remember her at the gate.

She gives the guard her name....nope, not in the computer. She gives her bosses name....nope, not in the computer, either. She is relentless though. There must be some mistake, try again, etc. She never gave up! The guard was not in on it so he had no idea what was going on but there was another employee there with the detectives that knew the back-story and he was eventually allowed to use his ID to get her in. She wasn't prepared at that point to admit she didn't work there yet what did she think would happen once they got inside? It really is comical the lengths she went to to keep the lies going. I think she was so used to Cindy accepting every lie from her no matter how ridiculous, that she assumed the detectives would buy it, too.

I hoped to get a lot of reading in this weekend...didn't happen! But I think Casey's "balls" in situations like you stated is what eventually worked to her advantage at the trial. All the lawyers thinking a plea deal would be a good idea, and Casey just sitting there, basically digging her heals in. Oh boy, what a different place we'd be in now if she had accepted that plea deal. *Mare bangs head against the wall* Damn, on the one hand, it gives me a certain amount of pleasure to know that the defense lawyers HAD TO know she was guilty, and the trial was proving it (oh yeah...to everyone but the 12 fools on the jury), but on the other hand, it just burns my ptootie to think that Casey just dug her heels in and WON.

 

[LisaR]

I thought one of Casey's friends said that she used the name Zanny? Maybe the ex-boyfriend who testified? Anyway ... if she chose the name before hitting the apartment complex, wow -- she hit the jackpot!!!

With that said, I was at Barnes & Noble today and picked up Jeff Ashton's new book. Alas ... it is a gift and I had the volunteer gift wrappers wrap it for me since I knew I'd be tempted to start reading it! I can't give a used book as a gift!!!

I stand corrected. I am on page 115 and the detectives are interviewing Shirley, Cindy's mom.

"When asked if she knew anything about Casey's supposed nanny, she said she had heard the name Zanny for more than a year, although she had never seen, met, or spoken to the woman."

So it looks like the name Zanny had been around for awhile. Now I am curious if the only name ever used was Zanny or if she had actually used the whole name? I wonder if after killing Caylee, she realized she would need a back story and when she was at that apartment, she saw the name Zenaida and thought Zanny was a plausible nickname for Zenaida?

 

[LisaR]

And, I don't think Casey would let George and Cindy have Caylee. Caylee was the biggest weapon she had against her parents. I would LOVE to know what went on behind closed doors between Cindy, George and Casey. We've gotten some info...Casey lying, George standing up to her and being told by Cindy to step back, Cindy either trying to smooth things over or having confrontations herself with Casey. But the actual play by play? Wow. Must've been something. Even if Casey would EVER consider letting her parents have Caylee, it wasn't going to be at that point, when all hell was brreaking loose with her parents. Exactly. Supposedly, she wanted to give her up for adoption (did we only hear that from that friend of hers who gave an interview to the Enquirer...the friend who used to go to the pet burials with Casey?), but even if that were true, once Caylee was born and she saw the attention they both got, she was loving it. For a while.

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I also just finished the part where they interviewed Cindy's brother, Rick. He says that Cindy sought counseling at work and they told her to boot Casey and Caylee "out on the street." Cindy said she couldn't do that because she knew that that meant she would never see Caylee again. The counselor then advised her to file for custody and Rick says she "took it to heart" and likely threatened Casey with it.

Cindy and Casey had some serious tension between them, that is for sure. Rick says, "I would describe it as Casey resented Cindy. She resented Cindy to the point where you could see that Caylee likes Cindy way better than she likes her." My theory from day 1 has always been that Casey did this to spite Cindy and I am sticking with that. I think Casey was simply pissed at Cindy and Caylee was in a typical toddler mood that fateful day. Casey took her anger out on Caylee and when she was dead, Casey shrugged her shoulders and thought, "that will show you, mom."

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I also just finished the part where they interviewed Cindy's brother, Rick. He says that Cindy sought counseling at work and they told her to boot Casey and Caylee "out on the street." Cindy said she couldn't do that because she knew that that meant she would never see Caylee again. The counselor then advised her to file for custody and Rick says she "took it to heart" and likely threatened Casey with it.

Cindy and Casey had some serious tension between them, that is for sure. Rick says, "I would describe it as Casey resented Cindy. She resented Cindy to the point where you could see that Caylee likes Cindy way better than she likes her." My theory from day 1 has always been that Casey did this to spite Cindy and I am sticking with that. I think Casey was simply pissed at Cindy and Caylee was in a typical toddler mood that fateful day. Casey took her anger out on Caylee and when she was dead, Casey shrugged her shoulders and thought, "that will show you, mom."

And you know, that's another reason it pisses me off so much about Cindy saying that she knew that Casey didn't kill Caylee when the verdict came back...God had shown her. IT'S BECAUSE SHE (CINDY) LIED! Had nothing to do with divine intervention. Cindy lied about her relationship with Casey, esp that night before.

Bozo was on Geraldo? How lucky for him to have an outlet to talk out his ptootie. Wonder when Barb is going to him back on.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...anthony-will-appear-on-tv.html/comment-page-1

When might Casey Anthony surface and appear on television? “That I don’t know. It’s completely and totally up to her,” defense attorney Jose Baez said on Geraldo Rivera’s Fox News Channel show last night.

Baez took to “Geraldo at Large” to answer claims by former prosecutor Jeff Ashton in a book about the Casey Anthony trial.

In “Imperfect Justice,” Ashton reveals comments that Anthony made to two mental-health experts, including accusing her father of killing her child.

But Baez said, “All of those things are sealed. I can’t even go anywhere near there and I won’t. I think I have a professional obligation to follow the rules.”

Baez said he did not desperately seek a plea deal during the trial, but prosecutor Linda Drane Burdick did approach him about one.

“We spoke about it. It was basically her pleading to count three,” Baez said, which was aggravated manslaughter of a child.

“We would have a conference with the judge, and he would tell us what he would sentence her to,” Baez said. ” All she had to do was consider it, and Casey looked us all in the eye, and basically said, ‘I’m innocent. I’m not pleading to anything and I won’t consider it.’ That’s why we had to stop trial to ensure she was competent to proceed.”

Anthony was later acquitted of murder in the 2008 death of her daughter, Caylee. She is serving a year’s probation somewhere in Florida for check fraud.

Baez dismissed Ashton’s claim that Baez had been sadistic in telling Cindy Anthony that the state was investigating her husband, George, in Caylee’s death and disappearance. Ashton said saying there was an investigation was “100 percent false” and “a huge lie that just cruel.”

Baez responded: “I don’t know how it could be a cruel lie when it was absolutely true. … They were clearly investigating him.”

Baez said he might write a book, if the situation was right, to share unknown facets of the trial.

Hhmmm...let me see. Who do I believe...Bozo or Ashton?

 

[joviroxx]

:

Hhmmm...let me see. Who do I believe...Bozo or Ashton?

As I was reading this, that is EXACTLY what I was thinking.....

And I should believe you Mr Baez, because?

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Casey Anthony 'Assassination Attempt': Lawyer Tells HuffPost 'None Of It Is True'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...6.html#s303664&title=Orange_County_Courthouse

You may want to consider donning a pair of quality hip waders before delving into the latest Casey Anthony article in the National Enquirer, according to her lawyer.

"None of it is true," Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, told The Huffington Post.

The article in question, "Casey Anthony Survives Assassination Attempt," appears in the tabloid's latest issue. The Enquirer reports that someone found 25-year-old Anthony's secret hideout in Florida and put on her door a threatening note that read, "I know where you are, I'm coming to put a bullet through your brain."

On July 5 of this year, a jury of seven women and five men acquitted Anthony of killing her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee. The little girl's remains were found in December 2008 near the family home, some six months after she was last seen. During the trial, Baez said Caylee had drowned in the family swimming pool. That revelation stood in direct contrast to previous statements Anthony had given police, saying her daughter had been kidnapped.

In August, Judge Belvin Perry ordered Anthony, who was living in another state at the time, to return to Florida to serve a year's probation on charges stemming from a check fraud conviction.

According to the Daily Mail, the Enquirer cites an unnamed source to report that the death threat Anthony received "set off a complete panic," prompting bodyguards to transport her to another safe house. Decoy vehicles, like those used during her trial, were reportedly used.

"The fact she is still hidden and still alive is testimony to just how good her team of bodyguards are. They're the best, but it was a very close call," the unnamed source told the Enquirer, according to the Mail.

The story fails to mention when the alleged assassination attempt occurred.

There is no denying that Anthony, whom Gretl Plessinger of the Florida Department of Corrections called "one of the most hated women in America," has received death threats in the past. "Because of the death threats against her ... we will not be disclosing the location or anything that will lead to the discovery of her location," Plessinger said during an August press conference.

But no one who spoke to The Huffington Post has heard anything about any "assassination attempt."

Plessinger has since left her job at the corrections department, but agency spokeswoman Jo Ellyn Rack told HuffPost that the probation department is "not aware of any such [assassination] attempt."

Jeff Williamson, a spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Office -- the agency that investigated Casey Anthony -- said his office is also unaware of any attempts on her life. "We know nothing about it," Williamson said, adding that not even his office is privy to Anthony's current whereabouts.

The Enquirer did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Huffington Post.

According to her lawyer, Anthony remains in a safe location "somewhere in the state of Florida."

Meanwhile, the parent company of the Enquirer, American Media Inc., is awaiting a judge's decision on a motion it recently filed to dismiss a defamation suit by Roy Kronk. A former Orange County meter reader, Kronk was the man who discovered Caylee's skeletal remains in 2008. He is seeking $15 million for allegations he claims the tabloid made about him. No word yet on when the judge will rule on the motion.

 

[LisaR]

I stand corrected again! Casey and Jesse were engage between Dec. 2005 and May of 2006. Caylee was born in August of 2005. According to Jesse's dad, they babysat Caylee at least three days a week during the time they were engaged. The dad worked from home so it was disruptive having a baby there and he harped on Casey to find a babysitter. She claims she did. Who did she find? Zenaida Gonzalez! So she pulled a name out of a hat back in 2006 and it stuck.

It has been been interesting reading what others thought of Cindy and Casey. Cindy's coworkers, Jesse's dad, Cindy's brother and mother all knew that Casey was a pathological liar for years, and they all knew that Cindy was the only person that believed those lies.

Jeff describes it perfectly. "It was a lethally toxic codependent relationship. One person was skilled at lying to others, while the other was skilled at lying to herself."

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I stand corrected again! Casey and Jesse were engage between Dec. 2005 and May of 2006. Caylee was born in August of 2005. According to Jesse's dad, they babysat Caylee at least three days a week during the time they were engaged. The dad worked from home so it was disruptive having a baby there and he harped on Casey to find a babysitter. She claims she did. Who did she find? Zenaida Gonzalez! So she pulled a name out of a hat back in 2006 and it stuck.

It has been been interesting reading what others thought of Cindy and Casey. Cindy's coworkers, Jesse's dad, Cindy's brother and mother all knew that Casey was a pathological liar for years, and they all knew that Cindy was the only person that believed those lies.

Jeff describes it perfectly. "It was a lethally toxic codependent relationship. One person was skilled at lying to others, while the other was skilled at lying to herself."

Back in 2006? I wonder if that hurts the real Zenaida's case. Altho, maybe she just threw in the Fernandez when she saw it at the apt complex to fluff it up a bit in 2008...made it sound more "real."

 

[LisaR]

Meanwhile, the parent company of the Enquirer, American Media Inc., is awaiting a judge's decision on a motion it recently filed to dismiss a defamation suit by Roy Kronk. A former Orange County meter reader, Kronk was the man who discovered Caylee's skeletal remains in 2008. He is seeking $15 million for allegations he claims the tabloid made about him. No word yet on when the judge will rule on the motion.

Funny because I am now at a point in the book where Jeff talks about Kronk. He doesn't like him but he mentions that Baez really raked his reputation over the coals and Jeff is opposed to that type of behavior. I chuckled and thought Kronk will probably sue and then I read what you posted.

 

[Wadecool]

According to her lawyer, Anthony remains in a safe location "somewhere in the state of Florida."

For all we know, they could have her holed up at Pop Century by night, touring MK by day.

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

I have only been able to read this thread sporadically because I have been busy but bottom line, is it worth it to read Jeff Ashton's book? I almost bought it at Costco the other day but I thought that I had read that you guys all felt that it was not worth it. If the experts on here feel that this is worth it I will get it. I know that there are more people on here who can access info better than the news media so I trust your opinions. Please weigh in. Thanks!

 

[LisaR]

I have only been able to read this thread sporadically because I have been busy but bottom line, is it worth it to read Jeff Ashton's book? I almost bought it at Costco the other day but I thought that I had read that you guys all felt that it was not worth it. If the experts on here feel that this is worth it I will get it. I know that there are more people on here who can access info better than the news media so I trust your opinions. Please weigh in. Thanks!

I'm enjoying it! The beginning was just so-so for me because it was a rehash of everything I already knew. Aside from Ashton's marital status and number of kids, there wasn't anything revealing. The 9-11 calls and jailhouse meetings are reviewed and there wasn't a whole lot of extra that was revealed, IMO.

The next few parts have been really good. Getting a good feel on how others viewed Cindy and Casey and their relationship has been interesting. None of that testimony was allowed because it was all hearsay so some of it is new info for me, at least.

I enjoyed Jeff's opinion on Kronk and I have really enjoyed his commentary on Baez. So far, there hasn't been an entire section dedicated to Baez but Jeff's opinion of his unprofessionalism, and lack of ethics are expounded upon whenever he can relate it to the ongoing story. I will be shocked if the FL Bar doesn't bring some charges against Baez. He certainly seems unethical and I haven't even reached the point of the trial yet.

I am not reading it as quickly as I generally read a book only because I know the ending. It isn't like this is any big mystery. But I have found it very interesting to see how the system worked (or didn't work) in this case.

There have been a lot of interesting little tidbits. I will get to something and think, "I need to post this on The DIs." Unfortunately, life takes over and a few hours later other items are clogging up my brain and I have totally forgotten what I wanted to post! I think it is worth the read.

 

[horseshowmom]

Baez said he did not desperately seek a plea deal during the trial, but prosecutor Linda Drane Burdick did approach him about one.

“We would have a conference with the judge, and he would tell us what he would sentence her to,” Baez said. ” All she had to do was consider it, and Casey looked us all in the eye, and basically said, ‘I’m innocent. I’m not pleading to anything and I won’t consider it.’ That’s why we had to stop trial to ensure she was competent to proceed.”

I'm sorry but !!!

"I'm innocent, and I'm not pleading to anything" leads them to immediately call in psychiatrists to determine her competence??? Yeah, I would have thought she was crazy too. They just didn't realize that the jury was as crazy as she was!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I'm a grandma!

 

[Conservative Hippie]

I haven't thought about Casey Anthony in months, but I met a woman today who was walking her miniature poodle. She told me the dog's name was Caylee Marie.

 

[CurlyGirl]

I'm a grandma!

Congratulations!!!!!! Details ... height, weight, length, name, etc.!!!

 

[LisaR]

I'm a grandma!

Congrats! Is everyone doing well?

I haven't thought about Casey Anthony in months, but I met a woman today who was walking her miniature poodle. She told me the dog's name was Caylee Marie.

That just seems so odd. Is it just me?

 

[horseshowmom]

I'm a grandma!

Congrats! Is everyone doing well?

Same here!!!

That just seems so odd. Is it just me?

No, it's not just you. I was trying to figure out how to respond to it and couldn't come up with anything.