Canon 70D sounds awesome

[havoc315]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/0...s-70d-hands-on-preview-dual-pixel-cmos-af-slr

I'm not a Canon shooter. In fact, for the last couple of years, I found Canon technology to be getting a little stale.
But this new camera may represent a leap forward. Phase detection on sensor has been a bit of a holy grail -- Attempts to do it so far, have had mediocre results. But it obviously lays the potential for "dslr focus speed and accuracy" while using live view, or mirrorless cameras.

Incorporating their industry-leading touch screen and some other features...

I'm too invested to change systems. And $1200 is a little steep for body only for me. But basically wow.... If I was buying into a system for the first time, going for the enthusiast model.... This may easily beat the Nikon D7100 or the Sony A77.

 

[nbaresejr]

This camera has been on my radar for some time. I have been following all reports from canonrumors.com about this and the 7dII.

Alot of the new features sound cool but i dont have how useful they will be to a person interested in photos only. I am waiting to see reviews that talk about high ISO noise improvement and Dynamic Range improvement.

What interests me:
New Sensor
Multi Bracketing mode (take up to 9 bracketed shots)
the return of AFMA- nice to have but not sure i would even need it
WiFi- so i can control the camera from my phone... i can see this being useful when using a tripod

Have to wait and see reports i guess. If the IQ is not much better then my t2i no need to spend 1200 to upgrade

 

[havoc315]

This camera has been on my radar for some time. I have been following all reports from canonrumors.com about this and the 7dII.

Alot of the new features sound cool but i dont have how useful they will be to a person interested in photos only. I am waiting to see reviews that talk about high ISO noise improvement and Dynamic Range improvement.

What interests me:
New Sensor
Multi Bracketing mode (take up to 9 bracketed shots)
the return of AFMA- nice to have but not sure i would even need it
WiFi- so i can control the camera from my phone... i can see this being useful when using a tripod

Have to wait and see reports i guess. If the IQ is not much better then my t2i no need to spend 1200 to upgrade

I'm not that up to date on all the specs.
The multi bracketing mode sounds useful, especially if you are into HDR.
WiFi-- I don't really care about using a phone to control the camera. As long as I can control the shutter with a remote, I don't need more. But considering the era we live in, wifi is nice just to be able to share photos instantly. So often, I'll take a nice photo with a "good" camera, and my wife will then snap the same shot with her iphone, just so she can instantly upload the moment to facebook.

7fps is also a pretty nice burst rate if you shoot any action. (I tend to shoot my kids sports).

 

[wiigirl]

I'm not that up to date on all the specs.
The multi bracketing mode sounds useful, especially if you are into HDR.
WiFi-- I don't really care about using a phone to control the camera. As long as I can control the shutter with a remote, I don't need more. But considering the era we live in, wifi is nice just to be able to share photos instantly. So often, I'll take a nice photo with a "good" camera, and my wife will then snap the same shot with her iphone, just so she can instantly upload the moment to facebook.

7fps is also a pretty nice burst rate if you shoot any action. (I tend to shoot my kids sports).

I also think the wifi would reduce the battery life?

 

[nbaresejr]

I also think the wifi would reduce the battery life?

you can turn it off if you wish or like me carry 2 batteries.

 

[DDuck4Life]

I'm excited for this camera as well and can't wait to see some hands on reviews. This will be my next upgrade from my current XSI. I've been holding out on upgrading but this will cause me to make the jump.

Hopefully DW will pick one up as a Christmas present for me.

 

[photo_chick]

I also think the wifi would reduce the battery life?

Wifi does reduce the battery life on my 6D, I assume it will be similar on the 70D. But as said you can turn it off. It's not on by default and i only turn mine on when I need it. The EOS Remote app that works with the built in wifi is pretty slick. It lets you take total control of the camera, including controlling focus and adjusting ISO, aperture and shutter speed. It also lets you upload to email, FB, etc. via a smartphone or tablet with an internet connection. The instant Facebook gratification with the wifi is addicting.

 

[cisobe]

The 70d looks great. Can't wait till this AF tech hits the new eos m. I wouldnt mind having a smaller mirrorless with quick focus. I shoot primarily stîlls and don't use live view much unless tethered.

If I was in the market for a new body I would be all over this...

WiFi will eat battery if you have it on constantly. I have an eye-fi card in my second slot in my 5d3 and have it set to only transfer when I pick pictures. After setting it this way I haven't noticed too much battery drain. Not sure how the built in WiFi works exactly, but I would think it has something like this.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

Man that article confuses me. Can anyone explain the practical application of this new AF for someone not shooting movies?

Is it faster and more accurate?

 

[HPS3]

The new on sensor focus pixels only help focusing speed in live view. If you mainly shoot stills and focus through the VF, the new AF doesn't matter.

 

[havoc315]

Man that article confuses me. Can anyone explain the practical application of this new AF for someone not shooting movies?

Is it faster and more accurate?

As Harry explained, it really only affects the live view.

The more interesting implication is actually the future of non-dSLRs.

dSLRs maintain a couple discreet advantages over other cameras, including advanced mirrorless systems. But these advantages are dwindling...

In the SLR days, the Optical mirror based viewfinder was the only "live view" in town. Cheaper cameras had tunnel based view finders, where you were actually looking out a second lens, that was placed near the main lens. (Thus the origin of the name SINGLE Lens reflex camera). Nowadays, most cameras are based on a single lens - even cheaper cameras, the LCD shows what the sensor sees.

Larger sensor? For the most part... but APS-C sensors and even fullframe sensors are now starting to appear in compact and mirrorless cameras.

So what advantages do dSLRs retain?

dSLRs use dedicated phase detection autofocus arrays, providing faster and more accurate focus. Other cameras typically rely on autofocus built in to the sensor. Usually, it's contrast detection. A few cameras have worked in some hybrid Phase Detection/Contrast detection, but overall the AF can't match the dedicated arrays in a dSLR. This probably remains the bigger advantage for a dSLR compared to an advanced mirrorless/compact system.

But if sensor based autofocus can start to match the speed and accuracy of a dSLR dedicated AF system..... Then it really opens the door for mirrorless/compact cameras to match the performance of dSLRs in every way. May get to the point where the only inherent advantage of a dSLR is an optical viewfinder (though many consumers may actually prefer a very high quality electonic viewfinder anyway).

 

[mom2rtk]

So can someone help me out here. I've been wanting to upgrade my T2i for a while. I'd like better low light capability. And honestly, it's been doing enough wonky little things that I'm thinking it might want to retire soon anyway.

So I was impressed with the excitement over the new 70D. But if I don't shoot with live view, and really don't care about WiFi, would this really be worth it for me? I think I'm hearing it has a new sensor, so maybe the IQ and low light capability will be better? I know it goes one stop further with ISO. I'm really anxious to hear some real world feedback when it hits stores.

I know I could get a 60D for half the price right now, but isn't that just the same sensor as my T2i?

 

[havoc315]

So can someone help me out here. I've been wanting to upgrade my T2i for a while. I'd like better low light capability. And honestly, it's been doing enough wonky little things that I'm thinking it might want to retire soon anyway.

So I was impressed with the excitement over the new 70D. But if I don't shoot with live view, and really don't care about WiFi, would this really be worth it for me? I think I'm hearing it has a new sensor, so maybe the IQ and low light capability will be better? I know it goes one stop further with ISO. I'm really anxious to hear some real world feedback when it hits stores.

I know I could get a 60D for half the price right now, but isn't that just the same sensor as my T2i?

Wait for the reviews. Too early to answer those questions.

 

[nbaresejr]

Wait for the reviews. Too early to answer those questions.

I agree.

I am in the same position as you with the t2i. To me the 60d and 7d while up the later spec wise, dont offer me any better image quality then i have with the t2i.

The 70d may have better image quality with the newer sensor but we wont know until people review it.

Full Frame may be the answer for us for better image quality but that would mean i would have 2 sigma lenses I would need to sell and take a hit money wise on.

I would like to upgrade if:
1. the sensor produces less noise at above 800 iso (i can use 3200 on the t2i but dont like to, 6400 usable would be great but i would like less noise @ 800 to start)
2. The sensor has more Dynamic Range.

The other bells and whistles are nice but i use my DSLR for Still images only.

 

[mom2rtk]

I agree.

I am in the same position as you with the t2i. To me the 60d and 7d while up the later spec wise, dont offer me any better image quality then i have with the t2i.

The 70d may have better image quality with the newer sensor but we wont know until people review it.

Full Frame may be the answer for us for better image quality but that would mean i would have 2 sigma lenses I would need to sell and take a hit money wise on.

I would like to upgrade if:
1. the sensor produces less noise at above 800 iso (i can use 3200 on the t2i but dont like to, 6400 usable would be great but i would like less noise @ 800 to start)
2. The sensor has more Dynamic Range.

The other bells and whistles are nice but i use my DSLR for Still images only.

I've been struggling with this a lot over the past year, wondering where I want to head next. And I too have had my moments where it seems like full frame is the only option Canon is leaving me. Sure, I'd like a higher burst rate, a flip out screen and touch controls. But really this is about the images produced. And in the absence of something that affects the IQ (on still photos), I will just have to stick with what I have until it quits on me (which could happen any time).

I feel the same way about the ISO. I use 3200 occasionally on the T2i with noise reduction but try not to go over 1600 when I can. I'd love it if that could just jump to 6400 being occasionally useful on dark rides with 3200 being something I can routinely use.

It would be a huge stretch for me to get to full frame. (In a month we'll have our second starting college). I just don't see FF happening for me for a long time. Add in the new expensive lenses I would need and it really does just get too far out of the realm of possibility.

Then I feel like if I'm going to go to all the trouble to sell my crop lenses and pursue FF, then maybe I should put all options on the table and look at other lines (Sony and Pentax). Then I just throw my arms up and give up again.

So..... fingers crossed there that the feedback is good on IQ and low light capability for the 70D. It would just make everything so much simpler for me.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

Mom2rtk -

I hear ya.

For me the answer will be a mirrorless at some point rather that spend $$$ on another DSLR.

 

[mom2rtk]

Mom2rtk -

I hear ya.

For me the answer will be a mirrorless at some point rather that spend $$$ on another DSLR.

Yep. I've considered that angle too. So I sit here. Doing absolutely nothing. Well, not really. But you see my point.

At least you're better prepared now to make the leap to FF one day if that turns out to be a direction you want to go.

 

[HPS3]

Why do we still carry DSLRs for everyday shooting?

Mirrorless is definitely the future once they get the focusing equal to DSLR speed. In single AF there is not much noticeable difference. It's in continuous focus where it struggles. Sony is definitely leading when it comes to advancements in mirrorless and sensor tech.

I have a Pentax K-5II and a Nex 6 currently. The Nex sees a lot more use especially when I'm around the house with my girls.....actually all of the time. I rarely lug the K-5II with me. The Nex is just so fun to use and the EVF is AWESOME (what ya see is what ya get)!

I use to own a T2i a couple years ago and just never liked going over iso 1600. On the Sony sensors, I don't mind shooting at 3200. Canon also has the banding problems in the shadows when pushed.

I'm waiting for the FF line of mirrorless to start coming down in price. Thats where I'll invest one day.

 

[DDuck4Life]

Came across an interesting video showing off the auto focus of the 70D. Looks pretty amazing. I hope that the real world tests look almost as good as the marketing video.

First video shows off the auto focusing features.
Canon EOS 70D "Handmade"

Then the behind the scenes for how they were able to get the shots. I hope the auto focus really is this smooth and fast.
Behind the Scenes - Handmade

 

[HPS3]

I guess its great if you're buying the camera for video. For still photography it gives no advantage. I've only recorded about 30 minutes of video in the past 2 years. I haven't even touched my video camera in a long time.