Calling all Princesses! (2014 Princess half marathon board)

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For those doing the Glass Slipper Challenge, what training plan are you using? I'd planned on using the "beginner" that's posted on the RunDisney site, but then I saw someone on FB mention using the same plan for the Dumbo Double Dare. Just curious to see what everyone else was using. I'm just worried that the "beginner" plan for just the half wouldn't be enough.

I'm using a modified plan that I had from my first half (can't remember where I found it, but it's similar to Hal higdon). Is there not a GSC training plan on the website yet? If not, I'd use dumbo, the challenges are the same.
 
I'm using a modified plan that I had from my first half (can't remember where I found it, but it's similar to Hal higdon). Is there not a GSC training plan on the website yet? If not, I'd use dumbo, the challenges are the same.

There's not a plan for the GSC on RunDisney's site. I thought about using the Dumbo plan, but my only worry is that it seems to be geared more for advanced runners and is only a 19 week plan. The Princess plan that I was going with is for beginners and is 22 weeks.
 
It's hard to say since the corral system will be revised for the 2014 race. The 10k time should predict a 2:40 - 2:45 half – based on results, that should put you somewhere just in front of half way back in the corrals.

Oh fab .... That's better than expected ! I have another run in 5 weeks so hoping for a better time
 
For those doing the Glass Slipper Challenge, what training plan are you using? I'd planned on using the "beginner" that's posted on the RunDisney site, but then I saw someone on FB mention using the same plan for the Dumbo Double Dare. Just curious to see what everyone else was using. I'm just worried that the "beginner" plan for just the half wouldn't be enough.

Let me see if I can help….

Have you run a half previous to this event? Have you run a 10k? Do you have access to a stationary bike or some other means of cross training? I may revise my thoughts if you tell me you have 4-5 half events under your belt.

I only ask to help figure out where to go with the plan. I am assuming that more than likely you are not coming from a broad running base sue to the plan you selected. First, I would not sweat the challenge at this point in time. You have plenty of miles to run and a long time to focus and stay devoted to your plan. I am not going to suggest gutting the plan you are on, rather adding small pieces to it.

First, if you have gym access get into the habit of riding a cycle class, or at a minimum riding the stationary cycles at least once a week for an hour. 2-3 times a week is preferable. Backing up, start with 30 minutes and add 5 minutes a week until you get up to the 60. That will help the bottom issue of sitting on a cycle for 60 minutes all at once. I would shoot for a once a week cycle ride late in the week. If twice, mid-week and late week. If three, M-W-F

Next, the first week of November, add 15 minutes to the mid-week runs. On at least one of the mid-week runs, add some speed play. Run for 10 minutes to warm up. Then run from one street light to the next, or for 5 houses, or some convenient measure where you run. Then slow up and walk/for a similar time. Repeat 2-3 times to start and add an interval until you work up to running the intervals the entire period (after warming up and leaving 5 minutes to warm down). In Mid-December, I would look to running an hour on the mid-week runs; if possible. NOTE – speed work is fast for you, not anyone else. You should feel winded after each interval but have a feeling that you could have gone just a little longer.

The above will get you to the start line and capable of running the challenge – at least physically.

From a mental aspect, I think that most everyone needs to run 2-3 back to back runs. I am not a fan of running them every weekend, but there is a large camp that says you must run them. I come from a triathlon background where brick workouts (cycling followed by a short run to get the feel of changing). Were an every other week routine workout. Taking that philosophy, I would suggest adding a 3 mile run the day after the 6 mile run. Then then a 6 mile run after both the 11 and 12 mile runs. In all cases, feel free to cut that run short if you are having injury issues. If it is a feeling of “I just can’t do that” then press on. The legs will loosen and you will be able to run on. I would also offer that if you fail on the first one after 6 miles, add an additional run two weekends later (after the 7 mile run).

If you can add the cross training, the time and speed work and some back to back trials, you should have a great weekend.

Hope this helps.
 

Coach, thanks so much for the advice and info. You've always been so helpful here on the boards.

Just to answer your question--I have 2 halfs and a 10 miler under my belt along with several 5k's. My main problem is that I will train for the events, complete them, and then fall off the running bandwagon until it comes time for another event. Running has never been my favorite thing, and it is very hard for me as I get discouraged about not being able to run the entire distance, and not being fast-but, the more I've done it lately, the more I've liked it. Hopefully if I can stick with it, it will become easier for me and I'll one day meet my goal of being able to run an entire distance whether it be a 5k or a half.

Thanks again for the advice!
 
From a mental aspect, I think that most everyone needs to run 2-3 back to back runs. I am not a fan of running them every weekend, but there is a large camp that says you must run them. I come from a triathlon background where brick workouts (cycling followed by a short run to get the feel of changing). Were an every other week routine workout. Taking that philosophy, I would suggest adding a 3 mile run the day after the 6 mile run. Then then a 6 mile run after both the 11 and 12 mile runs. In all cases, feel free to cut that run short if you are having injury issues. If it is a feeling of “I just can’t do that” then press on. The legs will loosen and you will be able to run on. I would also offer that if you fail on the first one after 6 miles, add an additional run two weekends later (after the 7 mile run).

If you can add the cross training, the time and speed work and some back to back trials, you should have a great weekend.

Hope this helps.

Coach, I have a question about your very thorough advice posted above, specifically regarding the portion I quoted. So you know where I am coming from, I've never done a half or 10k, but I do have a 10k in 2 weeks. I have done 5ks and sprint triathlons. I am registered for GSC. My plan had been a mix of using the DDD plan and the Higdon Novice 2 plan because I know a lot of people who have used that one and really liked it. So my week was to look like this: M-Strength training, T-Run3-6 miles (increasing as time passed), W-Spin Class and strength training, Th-Run3-6 miles, F-Spin Class, Sa Rest/Walk/Run variation, Su-Long Runs getting up to 14 miles like the DDD program suggests. I do extensive stretching and PT exercises daily as well.
Right now I am up to 3 miles on T and Th, and a long run of 5.5 this past Sunday. I run short runs at about 9:30/mile and long runs usually average about 10:00/mile. I actually do not pay attention to pace because I live in a very hilly area, so I just know the paces I see from my Garmin when I get home. The other cardio and strength stuff was already part of my routine.

I feel I need the mental reassurance of the 14 mile long run. But I have read a lot of posts lately where people say they've never trained higher than 10-12. My bigger question is the back to back. I figured I'd do a three week rotation of Saturdays, one complete rest, one walking 3-4 miles, one running 3-5 miles, then repeat the cycle. I had an injury I am recovered from, but I am nervous about getting reinjured, so I thought I'd vary the difficulty of my Saturdays. But, lately I keep reading peoples advice for back to backs where they suggest a short run the day after a long run as opposed to short and then long, as it will be for the challenge. You advised that as well, so I am curious what the thinking is in doing the back to back runs in that order.

Your advice is always appreciated, you really contribute an amazing amount of knowledge to these discussions.
 
Coach, thanks so much for the advice and info. You've always been so helpful here on the boards.

Just to answer your question--I have 2 halfs and a 10 miler under my belt along with several 5k's. My main problem is that I will train for the events, complete them, and then fall off the running bandwagon until it comes time for another event. Running has never been my favorite thing, and it is very hard for me as I get discouraged about not being able to run the entire distance, and not being fast-but, the more I've done it lately, the more I've liked it. Hopefully if I can stick with it, it will become easier for me and I'll one day meet my goal of being able to run an entire distance whether it be a 5k or a half.

Thanks again for the advice!

There are several folks who are like that. I tend to fall off the wagon after marathon season. What I find is that I need to have a follow on race scheduled to keep me entertained. So after PHM, the Star Wars weekend race would make a great target... (OK jumping the gun, the Expedition Everest Race)
 
Coach, I have a question about your very thorough advice posted above, specifically regarding the portion I quoted. So you know where I am coming from, I've never done a half or 10k, but I do have a 10k in 2 weeks. I have done 5ks and sprint triathlons. I am registered for GSC. My plan had been a mix of using the DDD plan and the Higdon Novice 2 plan because I know a lot of people who have used that one and really liked it. So my week was to look like this: M-Strength training, T-Run3-6 miles (increasing as time passed), W-Spin Class and strength training, Th-Run3-6 miles, F-Spin Class, Sa Rest/Walk/Run variation, Su-Long Runs getting up to 14 miles like the DDD program suggests. I do extensive stretching and PT exercises daily as well.
Right now I am up to 3 miles on T and Th, and a long run of 5.5 this past Sunday. I run short runs at about 9:30/mile and long runs usually average about 10:00/mile. I actually do not pay attention to pace because I live in a very hilly area, so I just know the paces I see from my Garmin when I get home. The other cardio and strength stuff was already part of my routine.

I feel I need the mental reassurance of the 14 mile long run. But I have read a lot of posts lately where people say they've never trained higher than 10-12. My bigger question is the back to back. I figured I'd do a three week rotation of Saturdays, one complete rest, one walking 3-4 miles, one running 3-5 miles, then repeat the cycle. I had an injury I am recovered from, but I am nervous about getting reinjured, so I thought I'd vary the difficulty of my Saturdays. But, lately I keep reading peoples advice for back to backs where they suggest a short run the day after a long run as opposed to short and then long, as it will be for the challenge. You advised that as well, so I am curious what the thinking is in doing the back to back runs in that order.

Your advice is always appreciated, you really contribute an amazing amount of knowledge to these discussions.


I am glad that reversing the back-to-back order is getting around. The logic is simple, especially on the Galloway plan, not so much with the other plans; simply, the long run is the main training vehicle. If one were to run a half distance run the day before and have a fail on the longer run the following day, that week’s training is shot or diminished. Running short then long also magnifies the likelihood of injury due to the pre-fatigue built into the legs.

Reversing the order trains for the feeling one will have the day of the second event; that is, running on dead feeling stumps. What you are attempting to create is the mental toolbox that will allow you to push through the funny and wobbly feeling that one can have the day following a race. Note that feeling will disappear in the matter of a mile or so into the race. It’s a lot like training to move from peddling circles into a strong stride coming out of transition.

My advice may differ a little here on advice, but your aerobic base is of a decent size – one so that I would suggest running long the day after your FR Spin class. Obviously, your schedule may predicate the way you spend Saturdays. I am perfectly good with the rotation of the short weekend run between off, walk and run.

Finally, I fully respect the need to plan on training race distance. I will say that it may be more critical for a first timer just to get past that little demon of uncertainty. Also, since Jeff’s schedules are lower work during the week, helpful in creating endurance. With where you are and where you are heading, I want you to know that 9-10 miles is not too low for a longest run of the training season. I am not suggesting that for a newer runner, but offer that that adding a 5k to the longest run of the season is really not all that hard. I am not trying to dissuade you, but wanted to state that so that just in case you are out for a week or two and the schedule falls behind from the one planned you will not be out of a safe area.

Hope this helps
 
There are several folks who are like that. I tend to fall off the wagon after marathon season. What I find is that I need to have a follow on race scheduled to keep me entertained. So after PHM, the Star Wars weekend race would make a great target... (OK jumping the gun, the Expedition Everest Race)

Ohhhhhh you got me SO excited with Star Wars race! Bad coach!! :)
 
Just did my first ever back to back weekend half marathons (7 days apart)! I did not run at all in between, not sure if any of you remember but I had a bad case of "robot legs" after last weekends half. I was a little nervous yesterday on how "they" would do. Honestly, after .5 miles I felt totally warmed up. Again folks I am not a speed queen, I'm usually a 13 min mile for a half and a 3 time a week training run person. Just wanted to share that us "almost back of the packers" can get it done with dead legs!! Kind of what coach has been saying about the GSC and running on dead legs...... I'm so excited for all of you first time halfers to experience this! No matter your pace be it 6 min, 13 min or 16 min when you cross that finish line you will feel like a beast!!
 
I am glad that reversing the back-to-back order is getting around. The logic is simple, especially on the Galloway plan, not so much with the other plans; simply, the long run is the main training vehicle. If one were to run a half distance run the day before and have a fail on the longer run the following day, that week’s training is shot or diminished. Running short then long also magnifies the likelihood of injury due to the pre-fatigue built into the legs. Reversing the order trains for the feeling one will have the day of the second event; that is, running on dead feeling stumps. What you are attempting to create is the mental toolbox that will allow you to push through the funny and wobbly feeling that one.

Hope this helps

Great explanation! Thanks.
 
Anyone have any ideas on training for the 10k? I haven't seen a lot out there and I am just trying to wing it. Lol. I haven't been able to put in over 2.5 miles yet due to my schedule but I am working on it. I am roughly at 14:30 min per mile pace but I expect it to go down the long distance I run. I don't know if I could go without doing a 10k before race day. I would be too paranoid about finishing. I just really don't want to get swept knowing I will start at the back of the pack with the balloon lady. :(
 
Anyone have any ideas on training for the 10k? I haven't seen a lot out there and I am just trying to wing it. Lol. I haven't been able to put in over 2.5 miles yet due to my schedule but I am working on it. I am roughly at 14:30 min per mile pace but I expect it to go down the long distance I run. I don't know if I could go without doing a 10k before race day. I would be too paranoid about finishing. I just really don't want to get swept knowing I will start at the back of the pack with the balloon lady. :(
First leave Paranoid to Black Sabbath.
If you are running a 14:30 now, you have nothing to worry about.
I have some thoughts on running a 10k before this race. If you signed up for the Disney race and would like the race to be extra special, I would not run a race prior to the 10k. You can easily run a few 5ks to get your race legs. On the other hand, I do understand the need to know. Racing is a great way to train as long as one allows for recovery. It is all too easy to take off like a scalded dog when the gun fires only to find yourself relegated to a walk a mile into the race. It also can teach one about the mental side of the sport. Endurance running is more about convincing oneself to take that next step than it is of O2 exchange, fueling and hydration. Think about the two sides.

As far as finishing goes, if you train and get your runs in, you have nothing to worry about. The best way I know to organize and prioritize a training plan is to place the plan in your outlook (or other system) as a set of appointments. You may ignore one or two but if reminded I tend to make most all runs.

As far as plan go, a finish, upright with a smile plan is relatively simple. Starting about Christmas week (December 21), set aside time on the weekends for the following long run distances 2.5 - 3 - 4 - 3 - 5 - 6 - 3 - 7 - 4 - 10k

I started this at your current run length, It is easily changed around. Note that I install a pull back week every 2-3 weeks for active recovery. Many 5 and 10k plans aimed at the beginner do not have this. Physiologically, I feel it important to allow the body a little recovery week. I also went overdistance on the last long run. Pull that back to 6 miles if it is an issue.

During the week run 2-3 times 40-50 minutes. I would not fret about speed work just yet. If you have hills in the area, try one of the weekday runs along a hilly path.

I would look for Halloween, Thanksgiving and Reindeer 5k runs to run in. That will help build confidence and allow for mistakes to be learned from early in this process.

Have fun
 
First leave Paranoid to Black Sabbath. If you are running a 14:30 now, you have nothing to worry about. I have some thoughts on running a 10k before this race. If you signed up for the Disney race and would like the race to be extra special, I would not run a race prior to the 10k. You can easily run a few 5ks to get your race legs. On the other hand, I do understand the need to know. Racing is a great way to train as long as one allows for recovery. It is all too easy to take off like a scalded dog when the gun fires only to find yourself relegated to a walk a mile into the race. It also can teach one about the mental side of the sport. Endurance running is more about convincing oneself to take that next step than it is of O2 exchange, fueling and hydration. Think about the two sides. As far as finishing goes, if you train and get your runs in, you have nothing to worry about. The best way I know to organize and prioritize a training plan is to place the plan in your outlook (or other system) as a set of appointments. You may ignore one or two but if reminded I tend to make most all runs. As far as plan go, a finish, upright with a smile plan is relatively simple. Starting about Christmas week (December 21), set aside time on the weekends for the following long run distances 2.5 - 3 - 4 - 3 - 5 - 6 - 3 - 7 - 4 - 10k I started this at your current run length, It is easily changed around. Note that I install a pull back week every 2-3 weeks for active recovery. Many 5 and 10k plans aimed at the beginner do not have this. Physiologically, I feel it important to allow the body a little recovery week. I also went overdistance on the last long run. Pull that back to 6 miles if it is an issue. During the week run 2-3 times 40-50 minutes. I would not fret about speed work just yet. If you have hills in the area, try one of the weekday runs along a hilly path. I would look for Halloween, Thanksgiving and Reindeer 5k runs to run in. That will help build confidence and allow for mistakes to be learned from early in this process. Have fun

Thank you! I actually went out this morning and ran 2.7 miles at 13:40 min/mile pace. I think the cool weather helped. I really appreciate the advice. I am going to look for some 5k runs in the area to help me feel more confident. :)

I play roller derby so my current cross training is outdoor skating along with practice. When coordinating a recovery week, should I just not run? I have to go to practice so I can't forgo that but I can scale it back some.

Again, thank you so much. This is my longest race ever and I was extremely out of shape when I started. It is starting to feel like I may actually be able to do this. :)
 
After doing the ToT 10 miler, it has gotten me excited again for this race. I am looking to training harder this year. Also, as some of you know, I was planning on Ariel sea costume for this year, but have thought it over and will be doing something else. I figured since there are a lot of Ariels and the logistics is more difficult that I am going to do a different princess that I hope to see less of, which once the costume starts to come about, I will show details.:thumbsup2
 
After doing the ToT 10 miler, it has gotten me excited again for this race. I am looking to training harder this year. Also, as some of you know, I was planning on Ariel sea costume for this year, but have thought it over and will be doing something else. I figured since there are a lot of Ariels and the logistics is more difficult that I am going to do a different princess that I hope to see less of, which once the costume starts to come about, I will show details.:thumbsup2

love it!
 
Just a reminder-- If you havent already stopped by the Princess 1/2 & GS Challenge "where are you staying" thread, please do! We have quite the list going. Also if you have switched hotels you can let me know that too. As of right now we are up to date!

Michele
 
Question for ya-- is the finish for the 10k or the half marathon inside a park? I'm just wondering if I will need a park ticket for either day if I just plan on staying an hour or so to get something to eat.

TIA
 
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