California Grill - dessert only and fireworks viewing

How is it gaming the system having more than one ADR that I actually use?? And I have no idea what you even remotely mean by "getting caught" or how in the world my reservation could be the cause of someone else having to wait.

If you do not want to eat quick service may I suggest making an ADR.

Last years progressive dinner: appetizers and drinks at CG. Dinner BOG. Desert at the bar in Citrico's
for the record our Tab at cg was probably larger than others who have a full meal and no drinks.

He means by other guests.

Teresa, you are not the norm when it comes to reserving tables for Wishes, and that is really what we are discussing. Even if you turned the ADR's around and you started with an appetizer at BOG, entree at Citricos, and concluded with dessert and coffee at CG, your bill at CG would probably exceed many families whose sole purpose is snagging a table so they can see the show. Mine would as well. It is this practice of taking up a table and spending the least amount possible while those who want to eat something are left behind.

I cannot blame people for taking advantage of a system that does not impose a minimum during specific hours, but I would not blame Disney if they finally started to impose some sort of restriction. My guess is that if they do, they will screw that up too.
 
How is it gaming the system having more than one ADR that I actually use?? And I have no idea what you even remotely mean by "getting caught" or how in the world my reservation could be the cause of someone else having to wait.
I was referring to the problem that they won't even let you book two ADRs within a given time frame, so some people will set up two separate MDE accounts or call twice using different names and credit cards. If you're spreading things out so that you're not running into that restriction, then no problem. Nor is it a proble to do some of them at the bars. Getting appetizers at a bar at one place and dinner with an ADR elsewhere is fine.

If you're getting apps at CG and dinner at BOG, that's not a progressive dinner to me. That's a late afternoon snack, and dinner a couple of hours later, with a healthy walk in the middle, not to mention the security check time. Or at least that's my take on the expected time frames. A progressive dinner might be appetizers at France or R&C and dinner at Le Cellier, back when walk ups were no problem and you could spend less than 20 minutes between leaving one venue and being seated at the next.
 
A progressive dinner might be appetizers at France or R&C and dinner at Le Cellier, back when walk ups were no problem and you could spend less than 20 minutes between leaving one venue and being seated at the next.

OMG! That would give me a headache! I cannot imagine me even deciding what I wanted in that time! LOL! Yes....I am THAT guest! LOL~We have to add to our tip to reflect how much time it takes me to pick a meal. DH said he signed on to "feed me" so he is stuck with that challenge at mealtimes! LOL!
 
How is it gaming the system having more than one ADR that I actually use?? And I have no idea what you even remotely mean by "getting caught" or how in the world my reservation could be the cause of someone else having to wait.

If you do not want to eat quick service may I suggest making an ADR.

Last years progressive dinner: appetizers and drinks at CG. Dinner BOG. Desert at the bar in Citrico's
for the record our Tab at cg was probably larger than others who have a full meal and no drinks.

But you went to these places to eat and drink--not to sit around at CG with no real intention of ordering anything if you could possibly help it.

Funny--in the old days anyone and their brother could just go up there, walk right on through the restaurant and watch the fireworks--was a 3-ring circus!! But at least no one had to play the ADR game just to get in and see the fireworks--which is what more and more folks are all about now.
 

Not anger at those who take advantage of a dining loophole--more at Disney for not closing it!!

These restaurants are in business to make $$ and the servers serve to make $$.

All these tables with folks eating a cupcake and a cup of coffee take up a table from those who might actually want to EAT at the restaurant. And the server and the restaurant make next to nothing.

For me it's from the many CG threads I see where it is plain as day that the poster has no intention of eating there--it's merely a neat place to watch fireworks and all they are interested in is how to get in as cheaply as possible.
have you worked in the restaraunt industry? Trying to understand your vitriol in defending California Grill's ability to make as much money as possible...
 
have you worked in the restaraunt industry? Trying to understand your vitriol in defending California Grill's ability to make as much money as possible...
Making as much money as possible is the meaning of running a business. I don't understand your comment. Would I fix a computer for $50 probably, would I defer from getting $100? Not likely.
 
Making as much money as possible is the meaning of running a business. I don't understand your comment. Would I fix a computer for $50 probably, would I defer from getting $100? Not likely.
BUT we are not running the CG, we are consumers. If the manager or a waiter came in here and argued that point then that would make sense. We all know they are not suffering for business at the CG.
 
BUT we are not running the CG, we are consumers. If the manager or a waiter came in here and argued that point then that would make sense. We all know they are not suffering for business at the CG.
To me, it's not about the money CG is making. It's about doing right by your fellow man. If someone wanting to see the fireworks as cheaply as possible made an ADR for the time the fireworks were schedule, got up there just in time to see the fireworks from the balcony, then were seated for their dessert after the fireworks, I wouldn't see a problem with that. Making an ADR to eat one course, then holding the table for an hour or two waiting for the fireworks, keeps someone who wants to actually eat in the restaurant waiting a very long time for a table or keeps them from getting an ADR at all. There are many places to watch fireworks. IMO, holding a table from someone who actually wants to have dinner at the restaurant isn't right. If people don't have it within themselves to consider others, Disney needs to make the decision for them.
 
To me, it's not about the money CG is making. It's about doing right by your fellow man. If someone wanting to see the fireworks as cheaply as possible made an ADR for the time the fireworks were schedule, got up there just in time to see the fireworks from the balcony, then were seated for their dessert after the fireworks, I wouldn't see a problem with that. Making an ADR to eat one course, then holding the table for an hour or two waiting for the fireworks, keeps someone who wants to actually eat in the restaurant waiting a very long time for a table or keeps them from getting an ADR at all. There are many places to watch fireworks. IMO, holding a table from someone who actually wants to have dinner at the restaurant isn't right. If people don't have it within themselves to consider others, Disney needs to make the decision for them.
Ok well I agree with that. Don't hog tables. And I'm not sure I ever said I would camp at a table. But I would enjoy whatever I ordered dessert or otherwise in a reasonable amount of time then either wait for fireworks outside or elsewhere.
 
have you worked in the restaraunt industry? Trying to understand your vitriol in defending California Grill's ability to make as much money as possible...

I know many folks (managers and owners) who do work in the industry-- They are not running a social meet and greet--they are in business to sell meals.

And the servers are working to earn $$ and tips.

Both of which are hard to do when folks get coffee and ice cream instead of a meal.

Will be interested to see when (or if) Disney finally has enough of this at CG and imposes some sort of minimum $$.

And tho Disney could certainly underwrite any loss of profit at CG, they may get tired of doing so.
 
Ok well I agree with that. Don't hog tables. And I'm not sure I ever said I would camp at a table. But I would enjoy whatever I ordered dessert or otherwise in a reasonable amount of time then either wait for fireworks outside or elsewhere.
We see posts all the time by people asking how long they can nurse a meal waiting for fireworks. Some people plan to order an entree, split dessert, then sip on coffee for 3 hours. Others plan to order a dessert w/drink & hold the table an hour or more. Stuff like that is what people have a problem with.

ETA: The above is for TS restaurants only. The BOG situation is beyond ridiculous.
 
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We see posts all the time by people asking how long they can nurse a meal waiting for fireworks. Some people plan to order an entree, split dessert, then sip on coffee for 3 hours. Others plan to order a dessert w/drink & hold the table an hour or more. Stuff like that is what people have a problem with.

ETA: The above is for TS restaurants only. The BOG situation is beyond ridiculous.
Isn't the BOG situation different in that it's QS so there is not waitstaff at breakfast and therefore waitstaff is not getting shortchanged?
 
We had a pre park open breakfast at be our guest in early July. Split one adult meal and one kids oatmeal. Both of us had coffee & juice. Good meal.

Don't really understand what the huge issue is. Believe me I saw lots and lots of food being delivered on carts, tables with a ton of food, and lots & lots of people happily eating.

Do some get a cup cake & coffee? I'm sure yes. Don't think it really is the problem it is made out to be.

And if that is all someone wants good for them. BOG is not hurting for paying customers.

Do a few get a jump on rope drop. I'm sure a number do. Good for them. If I wanted to get up that early more than once ever 5 years and actually cared about riding anything I would book another ppo ADR. Guess I wasted my ppo breakfast. We hung out past 9 drinking coffee after breakfast. Hope that was ok - or did we take too much time at our table.

Relax and let people enjoy their vacation. If it truly a bottom line issue it would be fixed.
 
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have you worked in the restaraunt industry? Trying to understand your vitriol in defending California Grill's ability to make as much money as possible...

I have so I feel qualified to address the question. This is not at all about CG making "as much money as possible." This is a legitimate concern based on the number of people who secure ADR's for CG and other Wishes viewing "Stations". Right now yes, you can take a table and enjoy your cake and coffee for as long as you can comfortably manage while a back up ensues, and your server graciously tries to scoot you out.
CG is a signature restaurant, and as such, the servers are assigned a limited number of tables, which turnover slowly. If several times a week parties take up tables, and then sit back to enjoy the show while nibbling on limited items purchased, those server lose money, the metrics for the restaurant are off, and CG is answering why there is a shortfall from projections.

So far this is acceptable to Disney, but we see more and more questions like your....Can I order this or that, and stay to see Wishes. It was bound to become an issue.


BUT we are not running the CG, we are consumers. If the manager or a waiter came in here and argued that point then that would make sense. We all know they are not suffering for business at the CG.

WE do not need to be managers to see the writing on the wall. Disney is not known for setting simple boundaries. No. They tread lightly, and then BOOM! The hammer drops and all bets are off. If there are rumors floating around that there will be a minimum you can take it to the bank that there will be a minimum. No, we cannot say how it will be handled, but there is going to be a change. WE see all kinds of pay for play occurring in the parks, all for things that were included in the price of admission. It makes sense that Disney is looking for ways to either generate more revenue or boost sales. Either way, it will bode ill for most of us. So far, Disney does not impose a plate fee for those who choose to split an entrée. I wonder if that will change as well.

Isn't the BOG situation different in that it's QS so there is not waitstaff at breakfast and therefore waitstaff is not getting shortchanged?

BOG is QS during the morning and for lunch. By dinner this is a TS restaurant that also suffers from cake and coffee syndrome, but in this case it is cupcake and coffee. This is one of the most difficult ADRs to secure on the entire property, and the hardest in the MK. The management has no idea how many of those ADR's are just going to be dessert, so figure how many tables are turned quickly, leaving empty tables while CM's have to turn folks away at the door. And that does not address how many folks who were actually going to spend money on a meal but booked solid, meant no chance of that.

In regards to the shortchange at breakfast and lunch, you are correct, servers are not losing tips. However how many tables are taken up by people not eating, or those who not only purchase one or two meals per large table and then consume pastry plates, and help themselves to beverages. You and I are paying for those folks, just look at the cost of the "fixed price" entrée at breakfast!

I cannot blame people for using what Disney allows, but I will say that when I am scrambling day after day trying to secure that elusive ADR to no avail I admit I am not thinking kindly that Disney has not addressed this issue. So IMO, this is a Disney issue, not guest issue. AS long as it is allowed, I cannot ell people that they cannot or that they should not. I will not complain, however if there finally are boundaries imposed.
 
I have so I feel qualified to address the question. This is not at all about CG making "as much money as possible." This is a legitimate concern based on the number of people who secure ADR's for CG and other Wishes viewing "Stations". Right now yes, you can take a table and enjoy your cake and coffee for as long as you can comfortably manage while a back up ensues, and your server graciously tries to scoot you out.
CG is a signature restaurant, and as such, the servers are assigned a limited number of tables, which turnover slowly. If several times a week parties take up tables, and then sit back to enjoy the show while nibbling on limited items purchased, those server lose money, the metrics for the restaurant are off, and CG is answering why there is a shortfall from projections.

So far this is acceptable to Disney, but we see more and more questions like your....Can I order this or that, and stay to see Wishes. It was bound to become an issue.




WE do not need to be managers to see the writing on the wall. Disney is not known for setting simple boundaries. No. They tread lightly, and then BOOM! The hammer drops and all bets are off. If there are rumors floating around that there will be a minimum you can take it to the bank that there will be a minimum. No, we cannot say how it will be handled, but there is going to be a change. WE see all kinds of pay for play occurring in the parks, all for things that were included in the price of admission. It makes sense that Disney is looking for ways to either generate more revenue or boost sales. Either way, it will bode ill for most of us. So far, Disney does not impose a plate fee for those who choose to split an entrée. I wonder if that will change as well.



BOG is QS during the morning and for lunch. By dinner this is a TS restaurant that also suffers from cake and coffee syndrome, but in this case it is cupcake and coffee. This is one of the most difficult ADRs to secure on the entire property, and the hardest in the MK. The management has no idea how many of those ADR's are just going to be dessert, so figure how many tables are turned quickly, leaving empty tables while CM's have to turn folks away at the door. And that does not address how many folks who were actually going to spend money on a meal but booked solid, meant no chance of that.

In regards to the shortchange at breakfast and lunch, you are correct, servers are not losing tips. However how many tables are taken up by people not eating, or those who not only purchase one or two meals per large table and then consume pastry plates, and help themselves to beverages. You and I are paying for those folks, just look at the cost of the "fixed price" entrée at breakfast!

I cannot blame people for using what Disney allows, but I will say that when I am scrambling day after day trying to secure that elusive ADR to no avail I admit I am not thinking kindly that Disney has not addressed this issue. So IMO, this is a Disney issue, not guest issue. AS long as it is allowed, I cannot ell people that they cannot or that they should not. I will not complain, however if there finally are boundaries imposed.

Shouldn't the Dining Plan's impact be factored into BOG breakfast entree cost as well?
 
Shouldn't the Dining Plan's impact be factored into BOG breakfast entree cost as well?

I imagine that to some extent it is, but to be honest, I believe that it is being used to carry those who are not ordering full meals, but who are using the "extras". The reimbursement from the credits that are used is probably factored into their total revenue. I have no way of validating this, nor do I know how I could determine if I am on the right track, though. There are people who are much more well versed in how the reimbursements from the DDP are allocated to the restaurants, as well as the plans effects on dining in general.
 
I imagine that to some extent it is, but to be honest, I believe that it is being used to carry those who are not ordering full meals, but who are using the "extras". The reimbursement from the credits that are used is probably factored into their total revenue. I have no way of validating this, nor do I know how I could determine if I am on the right track, though. There are people who are much more well versed in how the reimbursements from the DDP are allocated to the restaurants, as well as the plans effects on dining in general.
I just figured that the entree's at breakfast were so high because it did entitle you to early park entry not to make up for someone else deciding to split or order less. But the DDP drives costs higher, high costs incentivize you to purchase the DDP because of perceived value, but there have to balance that with what the cash payer with bear as well, well sort of. It's disney's reality not ours once you are in their world I guess.
 
I just figured that the entree's at breakfast were so high because it did entitle you to early park entry not to make up for someone else deciding to split or order less. But the DDP drives costs higher, high costs incentivize you to purchase the DDP because of perceived value, but there have to balance that with what the cash payer with bear as well, well sort of. It's disney's reality not ours once you are in their world I guess.

Personally I believe the the original intention of the breakfast was to mirror CRT and CP, fixed prices, all entry paid. But Disney was afraid if the backlash and allowed it to be treated as a conventional CS restaurant.

BOG seems to have an identity problem.
 












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