Buying a puppy online???

[MEM]

I don't understand how you are more likely to get this behavior by buying a puppy rather than adopting for a sheter?? If I am purchasing a puppy, wether mixed breed or purebred, I can screen for a reputable breeder and see the parents of the puppy. I would be more likely to get a healthy dog this way than adopting form a shelter. You might have an argument for purebred puppy form a puppy mill versus mixed breed frm a shelter, but comparing apples to apples you are more likely to get a healthy dog from a known environment and set of parents that from ana unknown situation if you do your homework and stick to reputable sorces.

I was told by a breeder of champion dachshunds that it is very common for "reputable breeders" to breed a dog with her brother or father. You meet the parents and they look fine - you are not told they are father and daughter or brother and sister. Maybe its a non-issue, I don't know, but the breeder thinks its a huge mistake. When you adopt a mutt, you are often benefiting from what is known as "hybrid vigor"...the dogs are genetically diverse and negative traits tend not to be expressed in their offspring.

 

[luvmy3]

Look again at my location before you accuse me of lying. This is outside of Detroit where the rescues are charging $300.

I haven't bought any of my dogs from puppy mills. Not sure how you are coming up with the outlandish idea anyone on this thread "supports" them. I got my first cocker from a family who bred their two family pets. These dogs were not "suffering." They had maybe one litter every year or two. He was my favorite dog ever, and will be hard to top (He did have a lot of health problems after he hit about 9 years old, though.)

My other cocker was a rescue dog. She was much older than the rescue told us, has severe health issues the rescue didn't tell us about, and died after we only had her 6 years and had spent thousands of dollars on her.

Oh come on its a known fact among them that if you are willing to get your puppy from anywhere other than a shelter then you support puppy mills and what they do to the animals there. I bet they even think we go around kicking kittens

 

[marie1203]

I don't write about pit bulls. I edit the stories once they come to the newsroom.

And dog killing a person is still news, and we cover those stories. And the ones that have hit my desk have been pit bulls. I had three deaths in a month or so.

I feel all the studies are very not reliable because there is not an accurate number of how many dogs are per breed. If you told me there are 350 pitbulls and 20% of them attack then that will be ok. But there could be more pitbull attacks simply because there are more of them. We had a good friend that her pitbull save her leg. She was gardening with her dog off a leash in the front yard. Across the street her neighbor 5 small dogs got out and attacked her. They bit her over 24 times and if it wasn't for her pitbull she would have lost her leg. Of course when this got to the press it was about how the pitbull attacked the 5 little dogs with no regards to her leg. :

 

[princessmom29]

I was told by a breeder of champion dachshunds that it is very common for "reputable breeders" to breed a dog with her brother or father. You meet the parents and they look fine - you are not told they are father and daughter or brother and sister. Maybe its a non-issue, I don't know, but the breeder thinks its a huge mistake. When you adopt a mutt, you are often benefiting from what is known as "hybrid vigor"...the dogs are genetically diverse and negative traits tend not to be expressed in their offspring.

Iti s a huge issue, but that is where doing your homwork comes in. All AKC dogs have a registered pedigree. Unless that information is falsified, you should be able to find out very easily if the mother and father of the pups are related. You just have to do the legwork.

 

[MEM]

Iti s a huge issue, but that is where doing your homwork comes in. All AKC dogs have a registered pedigree. Unless that information is falsified, you should be able to find out very easily if the mother and father of the pups are related. You just have to do the legwork.

That's assuming the dogs are being sold as AKC-registered. If they are advertised only as "pure-bred" there may not be a pedigree to look at.

 

[princessmom29]

In central / south florida? Shelter dogs START at $300 and go up? That's an outright lie. And I know this for a FACT.

And those of you arguing "well you don't know a shelter dog's background so that makes it no different than buying from a backyard breeder" seriously don't get it. It's not just about YOU.. it's about the breeding parents suffering at the hands of the breeder, using them to make a buck.

If you're ok with this.. go for it. Support a backyard breeder or puppy mill!

But stop grasping at straws to try to convince the rest of us that it's "ok" to allow this to continue.

despite what you seem to think, not all breeders that don't raise champion stock do this kind of thing. It seems that many here feel that there is no middle ground between chamion show dogs costing thousands and this kind of situaiton. There absolutely is.

 

[princessmom29]

That's assuming the dogs are being sold as AKC-registered. If they are advertised only as "pure-bred" there may not be a pedigree to look at.

I would NEVER buy an unregistered purebred. There is no way to verify its parantage. Every breeder we screened while looking for our dog only bread registered dogs. I wouldn't even look at those who didn't if I was after a pure bred dog.

 

[Swalphin]

In central / south florida? Shelter dogs START at $300 and go up? That's an outright lie. And I know this for a FACT.

And those of you arguing "well you don't know a shelter dog's background so that makes it no different than buying from a backyard breeder" seriously don't get it. It's not just about YOU.. it's about the breeding parents suffering at the hands of the breeder, using them to make a buck.

If you're ok with this.. go for it. Support a backyard breeder or puppy mill!

But stop grasping at straws to try to convince the rest of us that it's "ok" to allow this to continue.

Those pictures just break my heart. Sadly I have seen even worse than that. Those poor little souls, how cruel can people be to live with that in their back yards or in the yard next door and think that is acceptable in any way shape or form. It is just sickening.

 

[marie1203]

I would NEVER buy an unregistered purebred. There is no way to verify its parantage. Every breeder we screened while looking for our dog only bread registered dogs. I wouldn't even look at those who didn't if I was after a pure bred dog.

AKC registration means nothing. Our puppy mill dog has AKC registration when I call to let them know they didn't care.

 

[labdogs42]

AKC registration means nothing. Our puppy mill dog has AKC registration when I call to let them know they didn't care.

This is true, but by looking at the paperwork, you can tell if the dog is from an inbred line. You'd be abe to see if the mother's father is also the puppy's father, etc.

 

[princessmom29]

AKC registration means nothing. Our puppy mill dog has AKC registration when I call to let them know they didn't care.

In and of itself, no it doesn't. It is however a useful tool for researching the parentage of a dog purchased form a reputable breeder. All registration means is that you can document the parentage of the dog. It doesn't guarnatee quality breeding, but I certianly wouldn't purchase a dog without that kind of documentation that I can at least research.

 

[marie1203]

This is true, but by looking at the paperwork, you can tell if the dog is from an inbred line. You'd be abe to see if the mother's father is also the puppy's father, etc.

But you again are trusting in what this "breeder" said. For all you know it could be others dog puppy and they just used that as a selling point. Specially in a puppy mill situation.

 

[princessmom29]

But you again are trusting in what this "breeder" said. For all you know it could be others dog puppy and they just used that as a selling point. Specially in a puppy mill situation.

which is why you do the legwork to find a reputable breeder.

 

[CinRell]

I feel all the studies are very not reliable because there is not an accurate number of how many dogs are per breed. If you told me there are 350 pitbulls and 20% of them attack then that will be ok. But there could be more pitbull attacks simply because there are more of them. We had a good friend that her pitbull save her leg. She was gardening with her dog off a leash in the front yard. Across the street her neighbor 5 small dogs got out and attacked her. They bit her over 24 times and if it wasn't for her pitbull she would have lost her leg. Of course when this got to the press it was about how the pitbull attacked the 5 little dogs with no regards to her leg. :

Thank you for sharing this story. Pits are SO loyal.... and it's so typical for the media to concentrate on those poor 5 little dogs and not the fact the dog was defending its owner!!!

I know a gal with a deaf pit... at night, someone broke into their home. They'd only had this dog for a VERY short time, rescued from a shelter. The dog chased the robber out but when they tried to call her back, she couldn't hear them. Just kept chasing. The media REFUSED to post the story about the dog who defended her new humans against a potentially deadly situation because "we don't write about those dogs"... Luckily a woman down the street saw her and took her in because some rough looking kids were going after the dog. If it was another breed who'd defended the home like this and was lost you bet your life it would have been on every news station!

 

[CinRell]

Look again at my location before you accuse me of lying. This is outside of Detroit where the rescues are charging $300.

I have a friend who has a rescue right near Detroit.... she gets a LOT of little dogs. She just adopted out a litter of Shih Tzus. Her fees are NOT $300. And these dogs are vetted.

Home Fur-ever is a rescue in detroit... adoption fees start at $225

Small Paws Rescue in Detroit for a fully vetted dog is $150

Michigan Anti-Cruetly Society in Detroit's fees for a vetted dog is $125

Friends for the Dearborn Animal Shelter's fees are $100-$230 with over $400 in vetting complete

And in a general search I saw TONS of pure dogs waiting for their homes of all sizes and ages.

 

[jodifla]

I have a friend who has a rescue right near Detroit.... she gets a LOT of little dogs. She just adopted out a litter of Shih Tzus. Her fees are NOT $300. And these dogs are vetted.

Home Fur-ever is a rescue in detroit... adoption fees start at $225

Small Paws Rescue in Detroit for a fully vetted dog is $150

Michigan Anti-Cruetly Society in Detroit's fees for a vetted dog is $125

Friends for the Dearborn Animal Shelter's fees are $100-$230 with over $400 in vetting complete

And in a general search I saw TONS of pure dogs waiting for their homes of all sizes and ages.

I was looking at the Waterford Rescue, and most of their rescues start at $300. And $225 isn't very far from 300 bucks, so I'm not sure why you are trying to say I'm lying. I'm looking at a Springer Spaniel, and there are no puppies in our state. And I've been looking for awhile. I do see one in Ohio.

The purebred dogs from a breeder are about $450 - $600. So the price just isn't that different. And with that I get a puppy from a breeder with parents on the premises, can check out the bloodlines. I can go and visit and spend enough time with them and their dogs until I feel comfortable. The come with health guarantees, and will take the dog back if we were unable to keep it (highly unlikely). So that's likely the route we'll go.

In light of my previous bad experience with a rescue, and because all I get is hostile vibes from many rescues, it's hard to see going that route again. I feel I got really burned the last time.

 

[dixonismydog]

Or.... maybe she/he had no idea the question would create a firestorm. Just because the person was a)overwhelmed, b)simply chose not to take some of the advice offered, or c)didn't want to be involved in the debate doesn't make them a troll.



The other post, by the OP, doesn't say if she adopted, purchase, found, or stole (just kidding!) the puppy.

Seems very odd to me that the OP hasn't posted at all.....and it sounds like he/she has already got a puppy. Their family isn't just ready for a pet now.

 

[ktlm]

I don't really think it is odd. She was clearly actively looking for a puppy at the time she posted. Apparently she got a puppy the next day, so I suspect she was lucky enough in her internet research or in the newspaper to run across someone local, went and looked at the puppies, and fell in love.

The way this thread took off, I don't blame her for staying out of it. She might be scared to post that she bought a dog. If I were her, even if I were still looking for a dog, I might have just watched what everyone was saying and considered it all instead of posting anything else. Actually, once she found the puppy, she may not even have checked back on this thread. She may not have it set to get notifications of new posts.

 

[louey]

This is just FYI for whomever:

Here is a non profit group that within the past day just rescued over 100 puppymill dogs in Warren County, TN

http://www.animalrescuecorps.org/20...ore-than-100-animals-from-alleged-puppy-mill/

and this group just rescued 34 dogs in MO within the past day
this is what they posted on Facebook


Last year when we rescued dogs from this mill, the miller scooped up a feral dachshund with a shovel & tossed her into a crate. Today, they were tossing schnauzers to us - dangling them by a front leg only. Luckily, these dogs are now free. They are no longer prisoners of greed. They are safe and, for the first time, they are LOVED! http://www.hua.org/.

 

[cnlmom]

In the photo of the animals, I have seen much worse.
In the cages I see a Carin Terrier, several Chi's, a poodle and what appears to be a "designer rare white" pom. See the cute pup in the bottom cage....looks like a cutie, probably will net someone at least $500. I don't think I am going to far out on a limb but I would imagine their puppies are sold as "pure" and probably come with "papers".


All of this said, thank you for the interesteing reading. It appears several people need to agree to disagree on many issues.

However I think everyone can agree that those particular animals in the photo are neglected and pitiful. That is what makes rescuers so passionate about shelter animals and rescue in general.

I won't even get into the debate about pits other than to say that poor breed has been given a bad deal in life. It is true from 1900-1950 they were the number one breed and hailed as war heros and wonderful with children. Somewhere along the way humans ruined many of them. Many have been bred to be aggressive and then they are mistreated and forced to behave in an aggressive manner. Chains tied around their necks that are super heavy to build a stocky dog, treated poorly to make them tough.... There are thousands and thousands in the shelters cause not so nice people continue to breed and breed and breed. For some they are status symbols. Not unlike the Dobies in the 70's and Rotties in the 80"s. Makes me sad but I am a realist and many are aggressive and unadoptable and are unsafe.
That said, not all are, however because of humans actions the breed is "condemed". I rescue dogs, but I do not rescue pits as a general rule. Sorry all of the pit pull lovers, but they as a whole can be more dog than most people can handle and in the wrong hands some are dangerous. They are more dog than I can handle. Not the pitbulls fault in the grand scheme, they were born into this however some do hurt and kill and it is unacceptable. I agree condem the deed not the breed, however I would add to say condem the humans that made many this way.
I also am a little leary of Chows, Rotties most of the big power breeds...Again, in the wrong hands these dogs aggressive tendancys come out after that is what some humans breed into them. But I know they have their passonate people in their corner as well.

Everyone enjoy, care for and love your dogs regardless of where they came from. And please spay and neuter!!!