Bush was right

[dcentity2000]

Richie took great pleasure in pointing out a mistake I made earlier. That was so much more constructive than dealing with the issues, I thought I would return the favor. Thanks for noticing though.

Your mistake was fundamentally amusing - I couldn't leave it alone

However, if you want to get rid of this grudge I do recommend cognitive psychotherapy. It's very beneficial and may encourage you to calm down and stop hating the facts for what they are.

Now... what were we debating? I'm sure it wasn't you.



Rich::

 

[toto2]

Iraq has a much better future without being under Saddam's brutal, terrorist-supporting regime, and the world has a much better future with Saddam out of power.

But right now , and since the beguining of the occupation , a lot , and I mean a lot more Irakies have died because of insurgents , terrorist and coalition bombs and attack than when Saddam was in power. This fact does not make Saddam any less a tyran , but the Irakies are far from better off since the beguining of this "liberation ".

 

[dcentity2000]

We're fighting terrorism, not promoting it. We can't get them to leave our planet (or put down their arms) by just ignoring them.

By invading a country you gave so many people a reason to turn terrorist. It is likely that this wouldn't have happened on such a grand scale if an international democratic body had been involved.

It's all politics. Let's not enrage them when we can pacify them.

Iraq has a much better future without being under Saddam's brutal, terrorist-supporting regime, and the world has a much better future with Saddam out of power.

Agreed. Saddam was a horrible man.



Rich::

 

[TCPluto]

TCPluto; you have an interesting track record in this thread. At this point, you've posted 25 times, and only one of those posts (#96) was an attempt to advance the discussion. The other 24 were personal attacks on other posters, name calling, grammatical corrections and one misinterpretation of another post.

Your history on this particular thread would lead one to believe that you are either incapable or unwilling to debate on the merits of the facts alone.

Just an observation....

I couldn't disagree with your analysis more Mugg. However, I am concerned that you spent so much time researching the matter. That's not normal. It seems obsessive.

Richie is playing the part of psychiatrist and uber intellectual in this thread, maybe he can offer some guidance.

 

[Mugg Mann]

I couldn't disagree with your analysis more Mugg. However, I am concerned that you spent so much time researching the matter. That's not normal. It seems obsessive.

Richie is playing the part of psychiatrist and uber intellectual in this thread, maybe he can offer some guidance.

I'm curious...how much time do you think it took to just scroll through and look for your name?

 

[TCPluto]

Your mistake was fundamentally amusing - I couldn't leave it alone

However, if you want to get rid of this grudge I do recommend cognitive psychotherapy. It's very beneficial and may encourage you to calm down and stop hating the facts for what they are.

Now... what were we debating? I'm sure it wasn't you.
Rich::

You should be getting a PM shortly from someone who needs your help. I don't know if he will respond well to telling him what is best for him or not. If you surmise that change is needed, you may want to make him think it was his idea. Belittling people, including world leaders, hasn't worked in this thread and, I doubt, will work in your psychiatry practice.

 

[dcentity2000]

I couldn't disagree with your analysis more Mugg. However, I am concerned that you spent so much time researching the matter. That's not normal. It seems obsessive.

Richie is playing the part of psychiatrist and uber intellectual in this thread, maybe he can offer some guidance.

Please, trainee psychiatrist - I'm not qualified yet

As for intellectual, well, I'm touched, but I'm far from it - I have been known to lock my keys in my room for safe keeping!

I have to agree with Mugg, the majority of your posts have been quite troll like; research is hardly needed to come to that conclusion.

If you want my guidance, I suppose all I can say is: deep breaths Pluto. Breath slowly in and out, preferably into a paper bag. This reduces anxiety and anger in a quite effective manner.



Rich::

 

[TCPluto]

By invading a country you gave so many people a reason to turn terrorist. It is likely that this wouldn't have happened on such a grand scale if an international democratic body had been involved.

It's all politics. Let's not enrage them when we can pacify them.



Agreed. Saddam was a horrible man.



Rich::

Interesting. This supposes that they were all sitting outside the cave by the camp fire, just waiting for the west to do something that they could rally around. I don't think it has happened this way. We have long been hated by these people.

From your analogy, I would think you blame the Danes for the riots and murders over their cartoons. If not the entire country, at least the government, right?

We attempted to pacify them. We tried to ignore them. These options didn't work. Now we find ourselves helping to set up a democratic government in a former dictatorship. Mass murdering government officials are on trial for their acts.

Life is getting better for those in Iraq, slower than anyone would like, but it's happening.

 

[dcentity2000]

You should be getting a PM shortly from someone who needs your help. I don't know if he will respond well to telling him what is best for him or not. If you surmise that change is needed, you may want to make him think it was his idea. Belittling people, including world leaders, hasn't worked in this thread and, I doubt, will work in your psychiatry practice.

Thinly veiled threats are contrary, I believe, to the TOS.

However, if this person is real and genuinely needs help I'll be more than glad to do my paltry bit, although I do urge him/her to consult a trained doctor in the field that (s)he needs help in.

All I can do is offer amateur advice.

Now, are you willing to return to the debate, or are you happy with your odd, slightly bemusing insults?



Rich::

 

[dcentity2000]

Interesting. This supposes that they were all sitting outside the cave by the camp fire, just waiting for the west to do something that they could rally around. I don't think it has happened this way. We have long been hated by these people.

From your analogy, I would think you blame the Danes for the riots and murders over their cartoons. If not the entire country, at least the government, right?

We attempted to pacify them. We tried to ignore them. These options didn't work. Now we find ourselves helping to set up a democratic government in a former dictatorship. Mass murdering government officials are on trial for their acts.

Life is getting better for those in Iraq, slower than anyone would like, but it's happening.

Oh dear, you've overshot the issue by several miles - again!

People who weren't terrorists now have a reason to turn terrorist. You don't need a camp fire to sit around when the death of a loved one will suffice.

Sure, they disliked us before, but now they loathe us. We invaded their country based on a lie, without international help or approval. We are cowboys to them, riding in on our donkeys pretending to be world police.

I do agree, however, that Iraq will eventually be a better place. There may be a civil war in the mean time, but eventually it'll quieten down - I hope.



Rich::

 

[TCPluto]

Please, I'm not qualified

Rich::

Richie!! This is a huge step for you! I know it may seem minor, but this is great progress.

I am so proud of you. Keep up the good work!

 

[dcentity2000]

Richie!! This is a huge step for you! I know it may seem minor, but this is great progress.

I am so proud of you. Keep up the good work!

Thank oo

I can't wait until I am qualified though, I really want to help people as much as I can.



Rich::

 

[TCPluto]

Thinly veiled threats are contrary, I believe, to the TOS.



Rich::

Huh??

Nothing in my post you quoted was threatening in any way, as I have threatened neither you nor anyone else. PM stands for "private message", does it mean something different to you?

 

[dcentity2000]

Huh??

Nothing in my post you quoted was threatening in any way, as I have threatened neither you nor anyone else. PM stands for "private message", does it mean something different to you?

You told me that a mystery person was going to contact me who wouldn't "respond well to telling him what is best for him or not." Further to this, you advised that if I "surmise that change is needed, you may want to make him think it was his idea."

That sounds very threatening.

Tell me, who is this person who won't respond well to me?



Rich::

 

[TCPluto]

You told me that a mystery person was going to contact me who wouldn't "respond well to telling him what is best for him or not." Further to this, you advised that if I "surmise that change is needed, you may want to make him think it was his idea."

That sounds very threatening.

Tell me, who is this person who won't respond well to me?

Rich::

You read so much into that, I think I'm starting to see why your political opinions are so far off base. It is a conspiracy!!!

In post #184, I suggested that someone that was obsessing over my posts should consult you, as you were the resident psychiatrist on this thread, and that I thought spending time researching what I have posted was not normal.

That post was in jest to him, telling him that I thought he should not be so concerned about my posting history that he is does an analysis of their content.

My post to you in #186 was in jest, poking fun at your psychoanalysis of every conservative opinion expressed on this thread.

I know you have contacted the authorities to report this threat on your well being. Since it was just your paranoia peeking out, please tell them that, and that you're going back on the medication.

Whew!

 

[TCPluto]

Sure, they disliked us before, but now they loathe us. Rich::

If the actions over the last 15 years were simply a display of "dislke" in your opinion, I think you are entirely mistaken.

I "dislike" the rhetoric of some on this thread; the lifestyles that some lead; the values that others embrace. None of it has moved me to commit a single murder, let alone mass murders, such as the terrorists have.

 

[dcentity2000]

You read so much into that, I think I'm starting to see why your political opinions are so far off base. It is a conspiracy!!!

In post #184, I suggested that someone that was obsessing over my posts should consult you, as you were the resident psychiatrist on this thread, and that I thought spending time researching what I have posted was not normal.

That post was in jest to him, telling him that I thought he should not be so concerned about my posting history that he is does an analysis of their content.

My post to you in #186 was in jest, poking fun at your psychoanalysis of every conservative opinion expressed on this thread.

I know you have contacted the authorities to report this threat on your well being. Since it was just your paranoia peeking out, please tell them that, and that you're going back on the medication.

Whew!

You know, nothing in that post waylays my fears. I'm worried about you.

Conspiracies were never mentioned - interesting that you should be so paranoid as to look for one and indeed, use the term in the first place.

Pluto, you have to realise that we're not out to get you as such - we are merely trying to get you to see sense. Pointing out that the majority of your posts have been insults doesn't take much research at all.

As for the "medication" comment, well, that's disgusting. Now it's easy to see how far down your hatred drags you.

I guess the message is: shape up or shift out. You need to answer the political questions rather than the personal ones in order for you to regain an ounce of credibility that you lost very early on in this thread.

I do sympathise with you though for representing a shrinking minority, no matter how poorly - it can't be nice.

I'm praying for you.

[EDIT] For the record, I work with people on medication and have to deal with it every day of my life. Some of these people will never work, some regularly try to kill themselves. Shame on you for sinking so low.



Rich::

 

[dcentity2000]

If the actions over the last 15 years were simply a display of "dislke" in your opinion, I think you are entirely mistaken.

I "dislike" the rhetoric of some on this thread; the lifestyles that some lead; the values that others embrace. None of it has moved me to commit a single murder, let alone mass murders, such as the terrorists have.

If you assume that declaring war on a nation does not endear people to a terrorist cause then your opinions are more underdeveloped than I could ever have imagined.

Hate after war > hate before war.

It's that easy.



Rich::

 

[TCPluto]

Pluto, you have to realise that we're not out to get you as such - we are merely trying to get you to see sense.

I guess the message is: shape up or shift out.

You need to answer the political questions rather than the personal ones in order for you to regain an ounce of credibility that you lost very early on in this thread.

I'm praying for you.



Rich::

To think that anyone, on either side, would be swayed from this thread is delusional. It won't happen, for either position. When Joe and Dawn began taking personal attacks, I responded. I'm sorry if standing up for them is not honorable in your mind. You see they didn't deserve the personal attacks either, but they got them.

I think you meant to say "shape up or ship out". That's the phrase we in the US are familiar with.

That fact that you seem to be saying that I have no credibility with you, or with the other hard left liberals, is of no concern to me. I hope that didn't come as a surprise to you.

While I'm not on the far right, I certainly do support our governments position with regards to the Iraq war and the war on terrorism.

 

[TCPluto]

Hate after war > hate before war.

It's that easy.



Rich::

Your'e making my point! After 9/11, all bets were off for the terrorists.