Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

[lyeag]

Nope, Peachgirl wrong again.

I made my point very clear. I have also been very sympathetic in my posts over this entire thread. I have been pretty consistent in my views on this one. (and gee it was even pointed out earlier on this thread by one of yours) I have not slammed people. I want to know when she cannot continue because she has to go back to work at some point, will Michael Moore and Code Pink still want her daily blog????? Her son would not have wanted his mother to be used not matter what. Wouldn't you agree? I think this woman is not going to have all this support once she packs up and goes home. She is using the SGLI to support herself during this most likely. It is a shame when all is said and done, she will still be in grief, forgotten by those that have befriended her and broke.

Gee, this is sliming?

 

[rcyannacci]

I don't have a problem with her being a political activist. I respect her being a grieving mother. I see no reason why she can't be both. I do have a problem when she drapes herself in the flag of the one claiming that is all she wants. She "just wants to meet with the President". Then it comes out, she already met with him. She is only there as a grieving mother. Then she has T-shirts showing her website. Please. If her cause is so noble, why does she have to give the truth out in spurts?

Darn, you quoted me before I fixed my typing.

I respect that you don't like her methods. No doubt, she's aggressive in her stance. But, without that, I also doubt she would have gotten media attention. You probably think that's unethical...and it may be in some contexts. But in relation to what I perceive to be the larger unethical actions of this administration, I'm going to fall on her side.

 

[What the Heck]

Professor, you forgot part of the article:

There is little choice but to see this through. Leaving Iraq in the kind of chaos that now exists would be disastrous. We cannot afford to give al-Qaida-backed insurgents that kind of victory. As long as the organized terrorist movement is occupied with Iraq, it might not turn its efforts once again to U.S. soil. Continued losses, however, could so diminish pubic support for the Bush White House that it would force the next administration into even worse policy.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Bushies and the conservatives hate having Iraq compared to Vietnam and for good reason. It now appears that Bush is headed down the same road as LBJ. Bush following LBJ's path Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. Ignoring the military similarities, the political comparison is scary if you are a Bushie. This is one reason why the Bushes hate the fact that Cindy Sheehan is giving a face and a voice to the victims of Bush's unnecessary war.

A new Vietnam has been the mantra of the left all along. Always a quagmire. People like you ignore all progress.

OHHHH so scary. Before Cindy, soldiers dying were "faceless and voiceless victims" ??? Soldiers do not seem themselves as victims and they don't need Cindy slamming their mission.

 

[What the Heck]

Nope, Peachgirl wrong again.

I made my point very clear. I have also been very sympathetic in my posts over this entire thread. I have been pretty consistent in my views on this one. (and gee it was even pointed out earlier on this thread by one of yours) I have not slammed people. I want to know when she cannot continue because she has to go back to work at some point, will Michael Moore and Code Pink still want her daily blog????? Her son would not have wanted his mother to be used not matter what. Wouldn't you agree? I think this woman is not going to have all this support once she packs up and goes home. She is using the SGLI to support herself during this most likely. It is a shame when all is said and done, she will still be in grief, forgotten by those that have befriended her and broke.

Gee, this is sliming?

I think it's very well said.

 

[What the Heck]

A new Vietnam has been the mantra of the left all along. Always a quagmire. People like you ignore all progress.

OHHHH so scary. Before Cindy, soldiers dying were "faceless and voiceless victims" ??? Soldiers do not seem themselves as victims and they don't need Cindy slamming their mission.

Joe, didn't you know? When we serve a Democrat President, then we are proud and loud, it's only under the Republican Presidents that we become "faceless and voiceless".

 

[peachgirl]

I made my point very clear.

Yes, you did and I'll let your words stand as posted...

His death and the SGLI money that came from it is most likely what has allowed her to spend so much time and energy in his name

Besides, don't worry about her having to go back to work. If you listen to the right wingers that disagree with her, she's sucking the welfare system dry and has no need to work.

The attack machine is in full force, a quick search will give you more than enough proof.

 

[lyeag]

Yes, you did and I'll let your words stand as posted...




Besides, don't worry about her having to go back to work. If you listen to the right wingers that disagree with her, she's sucking the welfare system dry and has no need to work.

The attack machine is in full force, a quick search will give you more than enough proof.

Fine by me. People who have read all of my posts on this thread know exactly where I stand. And everyone who reads your threads see that you only come out of the woodwork to attack others.

 

[rcyannacci]

Joe, didn't you know? When we serve a Democrat President, then we are proud and loud, it's only under the Republican Presidents that we become "faceless and voiceless".

This is disappointing. Here I thought you were one of the few willing to talk about the issue without taking cheap shots.

If you really believe this, I think you should support it with more than a

 

[What the Heck]

This is disappointing. Here I thought you were one of the few willing to talk about the issue without taking cheap shots.

If you really believe this, I think you should support it with more than a

I thank you for the compliment of your second sentance. I just get tired of having my service used by either side, especially when it is used to promote something I do not believe. I was in for 10 years and was not voiceless nor faceless.

 

[What the Heck]

Besides, I like the guy!

 

[peachgirl]

Fine by me. People who have read all of my posts on this thread know exactly where I stand. And everyone who reads your threads see that you only come out of the woodwork to attack others.

I'm comforted to know that you have the pulse of the Dis....

And btw, don't engage in attacks like some us of do...right?

 

[lyeag]

On this thread, no.

 

[rcyannacci]

I thank you for the compliment of your second sentance. I just get tired of having my service used by either side, especially when it is used to promote something I do not believe. I was in for 10 years and was not voiceless nor faceless.

Well I appreciate your service to the country, and don't think for a minute you were voiceless or faceless.

In fact, that's the point, right? Sheehan doesn't want to be the voiceless, faceless victim either. I'm not trying to make an across the board comparison here, just noting that activism takes a variety of forms, some of which we agree with more than others or are more socially acceptable than others.

And, with that, I go back to work. Later Gators.

 

[chobie]

Wow, isn't that slamming her? I thought her contention was that she was an innocent mother who lost a son - no politics? You just proved the point of all of the people you claim are "sliming" her.

Her message is becoming political because political groups are rallying around her. That does not follow that she is only political or pushing a political agenda is all she is out for. Obviously, if she is telling the President she wants him to withdraw the troops, then that it is a message with political ramifications. The point you slimers are making is that all she is out for is politics and she is using her son's death for political gain. That is vile.

 

[transparant]

Nope, Peachgirl wrong again.

I made my point very clear. I have also been very sympathetic in my posts over this entire thread. I have been pretty consistent in my views on this one. (and gee it was even pointed out earlier on this thread by one of yours) I have not slammed people. I want to know when she cannot continue because she has to go back to work at some point, will Michael Moore and Code Pink still want her daily blog????? Her son would not have wanted his mother to be used not matter what. Wouldn't you agree? I think this woman is not going to have all this support once she packs up and goes home. She is using the SGLI to support herself during this most likely. It is a shame when all is said and done, she will still be in grief, forgotten by those that have befriended her and broke.

Gee, this is sliming?

Very well stated lyeag

 

[BuckNaked]

Her message is becoming political because political groups are rallying around her. That does not follow that she is only political or pushing a political agenda is all she is out for. Obviously, if she is telling the President she wants him to withdraw the troops, then that it is a message with political ramifications. The point you slimers are making is that all she is out for is politics and she is using her son's death for political gain. That is vile.

Her son's death gave her the ability to publicize her political agenda. I'm 100% sure that she would give all she has to have another way to get her message out, but she doesn't, so she's using what she does have. And in doing so, that is, in pushing a political agenda, she has opened herself up to criticism from those that don't have the same view.

As I said earlier, her situation, though tragic, does not make her immune, either legally or morally, from criticism.

 

[chobie]

Her son's death gave her the ability to publicize her political agenda. I'm 100% sure that she would give all she has to have another way to get her message out, but she doesn't, so she's using what she does have. And in doing so, that is, in pushing a political agenda, she has opened herself up to criticism from those that don't have the same view.

As I said earlier, her situation, though tragic, does not make her immune, either legally or morally, from criticism.

People do this all the time. We have car seat laws because someone lost a child in an accident and decided to prevent other children from suffering the same fate and in doing so became a political activist. We have stricter drunk driving laws because of MADD. Are these people shameless political *****s? No, they're humans channeling their grief into positive social/political change. Just because Sheehan's message happens to be more in line with the Liberal side does not make her any less than a grieving mother advocating for stricter car seat laws.

 

[BuckNaked]

People do this all the time. We have car seat laws because someone lost a child in an accident and decided to prevent other children from suffering the same fate and in doing so became a political activist. We have stricter drunk driving laws because of MADD. Are these people shameless political *****s? No, they're humans channeling their grief into positive social/political change. Just because Sheehan's message happens to be more in line with the Liberal side does not make her any less than a grieving mother advocating for stricter car seat laws.

That's fine - I have no problem whatsoever with what she's doing. As I've said many times, let her sit there until the cows come home, and so long as she isn't breaking any laws, let her have at it. I think the President is right to not meet with her, because nothing he says is going to satisfy her anyway, so why should he bother?

What I do have a problem with is people claiming that no one has the right to criticize her or question her motives simply because she lost a son in the war. If she is going to put herself out there for political purposes, then she shouldn't be surprised that people that oppose her politically are going to respond in kind. And just as she should be able to sit in Crawford until Christmas if she chooses, others should be able to criticize her without being accused of sliming her.

 

[peachgirl]

As I said earlier, her situation, though tragic, does not make her immune, either legally or morally, from criticism.

Criticism of her political view? It's fair game I suppose, although personally I won't be critical of anyone who has lost a child due to this war no matter what side they are on. That's just me.....I think living with the death of a child is sufficient to be afforded the luxury of being able to say whatever the hell you want to say about the war...either way.

There are plenty of people to argue with about the war. I'll leave grieving mothers alone, but as I said that's just me.

It's the right wing's personal attacks that I take issue with and many of them are right here on this thread. An internet search will find some of the most outrageous personal attacks on her anyone would care to see and all because they don't agree with her politically.