Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

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totalia said:
For all his spouting about war, he sure doesn't seem to care much does he? He spends more time playing than any president should even consider. I can't stand that man.
Yeah, he really should be more like the fictional Barlet Administration on the West Wing. Wow... have you ever noticed those people: no vacations, they never sleep, they are at work by 6 A.M. and even when they work until 1 or 2 A.M. the next day, their clothes never wrinkle, their ties are never askew and they always look clean-shaven (well, 'cept for CJ maybe), and they are so intelligent because they never, ever have to look up a single fact. If only reality were more like fiction... :confused3
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
Well said.

If we pushed them too hard on the type of government and its rules, we know how quickly the left and many in the world would yell "puppet govenment" or "US-installed govenment." No winning with some people. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, it's the left's fault.

Did you vote for Bush.........it's your fault.
 
totalia said:
For all his spouting about war, he sure doesn't seem to care much does he? He spends more time playing than any president should even consider. I can't stand that man.


Playing?? He doesn't care much??

"He who shall not be named" did most of his playing in the White House.

All our Presidents have fullfilled their duties while on "vacation." Congress has a vacation too.
 

ThAnswr said:
You voted for Bush twice..........ask him what his plan is.
His plan was/is to liberate the Iraqi people from under the iron fist of SH. But that doesn't give us the right to install our form of democracy. Joe had it right, and it's already be called that, we'd be accused of installing a puppet government. Do you really want that?


If it's okay by you and the rest of the righties that the Iraqi's do whatever they hell they want including a religious theocracy, I'd have the troops home by the end of the month. Why waste anymore time, money, bodies, and most importantly, lives. Let the Iraqi's fight it out mano-a-mano among themselves.

So *your* plan to prevent Iraq from falling into a theocracy is to leave now? You stated before that we should have some say, how would you accomplish this since your insisting that we should have some say. BTW, we are *saying* things. If they choose not to listen, whatta ya gonna do? Torture them into submission?


John, the winner of the Clinton-1-step-removed prize has already been given out.

Sorry, can't help myself sometimes. :teeth:
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
Playing?? He doesn't care much??

"He who shall not be named" did most of his playing in the White House.

All our Presidents have fullfilled their duties while on "vacation." Congress has a vacation too.
How many people do you know of that spend 20% of 5 years on vacation? If you do the calculations, that's almost two and a half months A YEAR.

Especially when their job is to run the country when its in the middle of a war that HE started?

Tell me again how its just a vacation. Its not like he's just running a company. It's not like he's just serving burgers or anything. It's not like he's just selling stocks.

He just spent 5 weeks playing. He's the President. And he needs to act like it isn't a joke.

As for the other... I don't care that a President was having sex with one of his attendants when he was married. Its nothing other Presidents haven't done. People need to get over it.
 
Charade said:
Typical.. Criticize but offer no alternative.

Plan "A". NO!!!!! It won't work.

Plan "B" NOOO!!! That won't work either.

Plan "C". Are you kidding me??? Won't work either.

We'll just have to resort to Plan "D". Don't listen to the critics.

So I guess killing the clerics is the answer. Next!
What are you talking about?!?!

You claimed that if the Iraqis want a far right religious theocracy, you said that you would accept it!

When I asked you to explain why, even thought it flies in the face of everything that George Bush has preached to us, and would be a piss poor reason to lose so many good American kids for, you ask me what would I do.

You made the ridiculous statement, not me. People want to hear why you think that way, not why I don't think that we should have ever gone into Iraq in the first place. That's my plan and I think it's pretty well established.

Now if you don't want to explain why having a theocracy in Iraq which would cozy up to the existing far right wing theocratic government in Iran quicker than you can say "freedom Fries", I can understand it. Because it would be a slap in the face to everything that our soilders' died for. If we wanted theocracy in Iraq, we could have sent in a CIA operative to put a bullet in Saddam's head and let the civil war that would inveriably follow whittle down which grand puba of which right wing religious tribe of warlords could be theocratic head of state. But that's not how we roll, and brave American kids are dying over there.

Now if you will, please explain why you think we could plausibly pull out and expect the American public to think that having a religious zealot heading up a theocratic government in Iraq and call it a victory?
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
Well said.

If we pushed them too hard on the type of government and its rules, we know how quickly the left and many in the world would yell "puppet govenment" or "US-installed govenment." No winning with some people. :rolleyes:
And, if we announce we are leaving, then we get this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/10/opinion/main582721.shtml

Let's see, his exit strategy (at least what I've heard): Win the war (done), get a working government going (done), get a constituation going (doing), provide training for their forces to take care of themselves (doing), then leave after being there for about 4 years. I heard this in 2003 so they would be scheduled to start coming home in 2007. Looks like they will be ahead of that by 1 year. (no I can't provide a link, just going by my memory)
 
totalia said:
He just spent 5 weeks playing.

No, he didn't.


As for the other... I don't care that a President was having sex with one of his attendants when he was married. Its nothing other Presidents haven't done. People need to get over it.

And no other Presidents have gone on "vacation" either. If you read the title, it says "in recent history" which to me implies that a previous President might actually hold the record.
 
Interesting that you chose to ignore everything else that I posted. Very interesting indeed.

What exactly do you call a five week vacation? Whats the point of a vacation if not to take some time to play instead of worry about day to day problems?

Even if you sit there watching tv the whole time, its still playing.

So yes... he did.

Implication doesn't mean truth remember.

Don't get so damned defensive. I am not taking a shot at the US. I'm taking a shot at the President whom I consider a complete fool not worthy of any political title.
 
round and round we go...

Laugh O. Grams said:
What are you talking about?!?!

I thought I was pretty clear. I even used double-spaced lines.


You claimed that if the Iraqis want a far right religious theocracy, you said that you would accept it!

What other choice do I have? Hold a gun to their head?


You made the ridiculous statement, not me. People want to hear why you think that way, not why I don't think that we should have ever gone into Iraq in the first place. That's my plan and I think it's pretty well established.

So my opinions are ridiculous? Nice.

Ah yes, hindsight. It's a wonderful thing. Isn't it?

Now if you don't want to explain why having a theocracy in Iraq which would cozy up to the existing far right wing theocratic government in Iran quicker than you can say "freedom Fries", I can understand it. Because it would be a slap in the face to everything that our soilders' died for. If we wanted theocracy in Iraq, we could have sent in a CIA operative to put a bullet in Saddam's head and let the civil war that would inveriably follow whittle down which grand puba of which right wing religious tribe of warlords could be theocratic head of state. But that's not how we roll, and brave American kids are dying over there.

I never said it would be "ok" with me. I said I would be disappointed. I've also said that we can't force them to do anything they don't want to. Do you think we should? Apparently some people do.

Now if you will, please explain why you think we could plausibly pull out and expect the American public to think that having a religious zealot heading up a theocratic government in Iraq and call it a victory?

I never said or implied anything like that so please don't put words into my mouth. I think the American people would also be disappointed and they might see it as a failure. I'm sure some supporter will and some already see it like that now and deem it wasn't worth the effort and lives lost. Buy you seem to be advocating that we do "something" to prevent Iraq from falling into a theocracy, not I. What is it? Come on, don't hold back now.
 
totalia said:
Interesting that you chose to ignore everything else that I posted. Very interesting indeed.

What exactly do you call a five week vacation? Whats the point of a vacation if not to take some time to play instead of worry about day to day problems?

Even if you sit there watching tv the whole time, its still playing.

So yes... he did.

Implication doesn't mean truth remember.

Don't get so damned defensive. I am not taking a shot at the US. I'm taking a shot at the President whom I consider a complete fool not worthy of any political title.

What exactly did I ignore? And I don't see my response to you as "so damed defensive".

So now it's "take some time to play"? I thought he was playing the whole time. Which is it?

Hosting foreign dignitaries doesn't count as work? Ok. Didn't he just sign our energy bill while on "vacation". Are really implying that he was compeletly out of contact with everyone on his staff? The government was on "autopilot"?
 
Charade said:
So my opinions are ridiculous? Nice.

That one is, and I think if you asked our Commander In Chief, he'd probably agree with me. I always thought libs were supposed to be the sensitive ones.

Ah yes, hindsight. It's a wonderful thing. Isn't it?
Before we commited troops, I spoke about allowing the inspections to go on at a public question and answer session with Hillary Clinton here in New York City. Unfortunately, she chose the alternative and I am extremely disappointed in her judgement on this one. Hindsight or not, this war was unnecessary, and unfortunately, our brave sons and daughters are paying the price.



I never said it would be "ok" with me. I said I would be disappointed. I've also said that we can't force them to do anything they don't want to. Do you think we should?

I think that our President should have taken his own advice and stayed away from nation building on this one, period.



I never said or implied anything like that so please don't put words into my mouth. I think the American people would also be disappointed and they might see it as a failure. I'm sure some supporter will and some already see it like that now and deem it wasn't worth the effort and lives lost. Buy you seem to be advocating that we do "something" to prevent Iraq from falling into a theocracy, not I. What is it? Come on, don't hold back now.
Honestly, I wish I knew, but it doesn't look like this one's going to come out good regardless of how it appears to the American public, I can tell you that. There will alway be a cloud of doubt for the opposition of any government we put into Iraq. They will always be able to play on the fears of the government as an American "puppet. I don't have the answer, I just hope we figure it out sooner rather than later.
 
Laugh O. Grams said:
Before we commited troops, I spoke about allowing the inspections to go on at a public question and answer session with Hillary Clinton here in New York City. Unfortunately, she chose the alternative and I am extremely disappointed in her judgement on this one. Hindsight or not, this war was unnecessary, and unfortunately, our brave sons and daughters are paying the price.

Inspections? By the U.N.? This U.N.?

The Washington Post
UNcorruptible?

Wednesday, August 10, 2005; Page A16

MOVING RAPIDLY from the general to the specific, the commission investigating the U.N. oil-for-food scandal in prewar Iraq published a detailed account this week of how two U.N. officials -- Benon Sevan, the director of the oil-for-food program, and Alexander Yakovlev, a procurement officer -- directly benefited from corruption. Within hours, Mr. Yakovlev pleaded guilty to charges of conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud and money laundering, and admitted receiving several hundred thousand dollars in bribes. By contrast, Mr. Sevan denied any wrongdoing and maintained that he had been demonized by unnamed enemies. "The real oil-for-food scandal," he declared, "is in the distortion and misrepresentation of the accomplishments and the record of the program by now well-established U.N. bashers."

It is true, of course, that the investigating panel led by Paul A. Volcker is not a legal body, and could not force Mr. Sevan to cooperate, which he refused to do. Nevertheless, the circumstantial evidence against him is substantial: Among other things, bank statements show unexplained quantities of cash flowing into his New York bank account between 1998 and 2003, after Mr. Sevan's request that senior Iraqi officials give a contract to a company controlled by two of his friends (both of whom, curiously, are related to Boutros-Boutros Ghali, the former U.N. secretary general).


What is most worrying about Mr. Sevan's insistence that he is nothing more than a victim of "well-established U.N. bashers" is that others still seem to feel some sympathy with that point of view. On Monday, Mark Malloch Brown, the chief of staff to U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, repeated one of his boss's favorite metaphors, chastising the media for focusing "on the little black dots" of corruption rather than the "extraordinary network" of people and companies who made the oil-for-food program such a "success."

The U.N. bureaucracy has come a long way in recognizing the need for deep institutional reforms. Yet Mr. Annan's failure to understand that the oil-for-food program was corrupt at its heart -- or perhaps at its head, given the evidence about its director's behavior -- is disturbing. The oil-for-food program -- along with the other forms of sanctions-busting effectively condoned by the United States and others -- was designed to allow Saddam Hussein's government to enrich itself at the expense of Iraq's people. It was a deeply disturbing example of how the United Nations' humanitarian impulse can sometimes go badly wrong. As long as any part of the institution or its defenders continues to believe that the oil-for-food disaster was an insignificant affair dreamed up by U.S. lawmakers and their friends in the media, it's hard to see how any reform, however beautifully structured on paper, will achieve much in practice. Reform begins with an end to self-delusion.
 
*rolls her eyes* Your trying to bait me. It won't work. Just remember, blind loyalty isn't loyalty. It's only blind. I'm done talking to you Charade.
 
In addition to Cindy Sheehan. other mothers of victims of Bush's unnecessary war are speaking out at Crawford. Rage Against the Killing of the Light
Consider the perspective of Celeste Zappala, whose oldest son Sherwood Baker was a sergeant in the Pennsylvania National Guard when he died 16 months ago in Baghdad. She is a co-founder of Gold Star Families for Peace, and what she has to say is gut-wrenching and infuriating: “George Bush talks about caring about the troops who get killed in Iraq. Sherwood was killed protecting the people looking for weapons of mass destruction on April 26, 2004. This was one month after Bush was joking [at the Radio and Television Correspondents Dinner, on March 24] about looking for weapons of mass destruction. And then my Sherwood is dead trying to protect people looking for them because Bush said it was so important to the safety of our country

Disregarding the tacit conventions of jingoistic newspeak, Zappala adds: “I don’t want anyone else to go through this, not an American, not an Iraqi, no one. As a person of faith, I firmly believe we have the ability to provide better answers on how to resolve conflict than what Bush is offering us. I’ve tried to meet with Rumsfeld at the Pentagon, I was turned away by armed guards. It’s incumbent upon everybody to take responsibility about what is happening in our country. I have no recourse but to go to Crawford to do what I can to change the disastrous course we are currently on and to bear witness to the true costs of this war.”

The true costs. Not the lies of omission.
Bush's jokes about looking for WMD under his desk are not too funny to people who have discovered that they were lied to. Bush fixed the facts and the intelligence to justify this war and now is surprised that people are mad that he lied.

I am very amused by the conservatives who now claim that the lack of WMDs do not mate a difference and that this is a just war. These conservatives are so blinded by their partisan loyalty to Bush that they can not bring themselve to admit that they were lied to. It is really very sad. Luckily most of the American public are smarter and less partisan than these die hard Bush supporters. Bush lied and thousands have died as a result.
 
bsnyder said:
Inspections? By the U.N.? This U.N.?
Bet, there is absolutely no proof whatsoever that Hans Blix or the UN weapons inspectors were corrupt. In fact all of the proof and investigations show that the UN inspectors were correct in their assessments of Saddam's WMD capability and that the inspections worked. If you have any proof (and you do not) showing that the UN weapon inspectors were wrong in their assessments or where involved in any corruption, then provide it. If you want to talk about corruption, please remember that Bush lied and fixed the facts and the intelligence to justify this unnecessary war. That fraud is far worse than any bribes in the food for oil program. Remember Bush lied and thousands have died.
 
Professor Mouse said:
Bet, there is absolutely no proof whatsoever that Hans Blix or the UN weapons inspectors were corrupt. In fact all of the proof and investigations show that the UN inspectors were correct in their assessments of Saddam's WMD capability and that the inspections worked. If you have any proof (and you do not) showing that the UN weapon inspectors were wrong in their assessments or where involved in any corruption, then provide it. If you want to talk about corruption, please remember that Bush lied and fixed the facts and the intelligence to justify this unnecessary war. That fraud is far worse than any bribes in the food for oil program. Remember Bush lied and thousands have died.

By the same token, if you have any evidence that President Bush lied, please provide it. I've heard the same tired thing for 2 years now, but I've yet to see anyone provide any evidence.
 
totalia said:
*rolls her eyes* Your trying to bait me. It won't work. Just remember, blind loyalty isn't loyalty. It's only blind. I'm done talking to you Charade.


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