Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

[Laugh O. Grams]

Assume much? I've never read anything by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Anne Colter, etc.

But I've got a copy of Al Franken's book on the back of my toilet. Just in case.

I'm not quite sure I believe you, but for arguments sake...O.K. I'm glad you're back anyways!!

Could you explain to your fellow conservative, Teejay, how allowing the new Iraqi government to fall into the hands of far right religious zealots to form a theocracy might be an acceptable end to a war in which so many of our brave men and women of the armed services have shed blood? He, like all of us libs, and I'm sure, the many lurkers out there from both sides of the aisle, were having a problem with the reasoning. Is this a new Bush policy that we haven't heard of yet? If not, it's a hell of a platform for you to run on for President in 2008!

 

[Charade]

Umm.. what's this mean?

And tonight I have a message for the brave and oppressed people of Iraq: Your enemy is not surrounding your country -- your enemy is ruling your country. (Applause.) And the day he and his regime are removed from power will be the day of your liberation. (Applause.)

 

[Charade]

I'm not quite sure I believe you,

Hey, have you been talking to my wife's divorce lawyer? They seem to be doubting my sincerity as well.

 

[escape]

I'm not quite sure I believe you, but for arguments sake...O.K. I'm glad you're back anyways!!

Could you explain to your fellow conservative, Teejay, how allowing the new Iraqi government to fall into the hands of far right religious zealots to form a theocracy might be an acceptable end to a war in which so many of our brave men and women of the armed services have shed blood? He, like all of us libs, and I'm sure, the many lurkers out there from both sides of the aisle, were having a problem with the reasoning. Is this a new Bush policy that we haven't heard of yet?

Yeah, I'd like an explanation......I'm one of those lurkers by the way.

 

[ThAnswr]

Oart of the reason that the conservatives and Bush are so upset about Cindy Sheehan is that her views on the stupid war in Iraq now represent the majority view. Most of the American public have realized that Bush lied about the reasons for the war in Iraq and justified the war using fixed facts and intelligence. Sheehan Speaks For A Majority First, Cindy Sheehan is entitled to her views. Since her first "meeting" with George (as she calls him), we have established that Bush lied about WMDs and that the facts and the intelligence was fixed to justified this war. Cindy Sheehan has every right to be mad at Bush.

BTW, the excuses for Bush not encouraging his daughters to volunteer for this nobel war are so lame that they are funny. Again, the Bush twins are just like Bush, cowards and chickenhawks. Bush hid from the Vietnam war using his family's connections and Bush's daughters are too busy to fight in their daddy's nobel war.

It's amazing but the righties just can't leave this woman alone. It isn't enough that she's a grieving mother with an axe to grind, nooo these people have go at her tooth and nail. Some more of that faux compassion and those faux moral values.

Truthfully, dear Professor, the righties have been on a tare today.

And the day's still young!

 

[Charade]

Could you explain to your fellow conservative, Teejay, how allowing the new Iraqi government to fall into the hands of far right religious zealots to form a theocracy might be an acceptable end to a war in which so many of our brave men and women of the armed services have shed blood? He, like all of us libs, and I'm sure, the many lurkers out there from both sides of the aisle, were having a problem with the reasoning. Is this a new Bush policy that we haven't heard of yet? If not, it's a hell of a platform for you to run on for President in 2008!

Ok, I'll bite. For us to force Iraq into not becoming a theocracy we should do exactly what? Kill the clerics? We can encourage them and use reason not to but it's ultimately up to them.

 

[ThAnswr]

Yeah, I'd like an explanation......I'm one of those lurkers by the way.

C'mon over here and sit by me. Care for a drink

and some popcorn.

This is truly a banner day, doncha think?

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Ok, I'll bite. For us to force Iraq into not becoming a theocracy we should do exactly what? Kill the clerics?

Why are you askin' me? Your guy came up with the plan. Remember..the rose petal's thrown at our brave soilders' feet, thousands of years of struggle simply falling by the wayside, religious tolerance's doors flying wide open and Iraqis experiencing the sweet smell of freedom. I just live here...and voted Kerry.

 

[Charade]

Why are you askin' me? Your guy came up with the plan. Remember..the rose petal's thrown at our brave soilders' feet, thousands of years of struggle simply falling by the wayside, religious tolerance's doors flying wide open and Iraqis experiencing the sweet smell of freedom. I just live here...and voted Kerry.

Typical.. Criticize but offer no alternative.

Plan "A". NO!!!!! It won't work.

Plan "B" NOOO!!! That won't work either.

Plan "C". Are you kidding me??? Won't work either.

We'll just have to resort to Plan "D". Don't listen to the critics.

So I guess killing the clerics is the answer. Next!

 

[sodaseller]

sodaseller, I decided a couple of weeks ago that it would be masochistic to expect anyone from the left to read a whole war speech by Bush from 2002-2003, and not rely on third-party interpretations of other people's interpretations like you just did.

If it comforts you to think that, go ahead, but I'm certain I've read at least 100x more on the relevant issues than you have, for at least 20 years and from a panoply of sources. I happended to save Kevin's summation in anticipation of mindless arguments like relying on "Operation Iraqi Freedom".

 

[Teejay32]

Could you explain to your fellow conservative, Teejay, how allowing the new Iraqi government to fall into the hands of far right religious zealots to form a theocracy might be an acceptable end to a war in which so many of our brave men and women of the armed services have shed blood? He, like all of us libs, and I'm sure, the many lurkers out there from both sides of the aisle, were having a problem with the reasoning. Is this a new Bush policy that we haven't heard of yet? If not, it's a hell of a platform for you to run on for President in 2008!

well, a) I won't be running for President, (b) in order to even form such a theocracy, people would have to vote it in and I'll believe that when I see it, and (c) I'm assuming you mean by "theocracy" that the laws of Iraq would be based on Islamic Sharia, which in strong right-wing fashion might be disasterous, but in more liberal fashion would be as threatening as our legal system being based on Judeo-Christian values. As long as basic human rights ae incorporated within, what do you care where it comes from?

Now you can answer the question for us "conservatives", since you've done absolutely nothing for the cause of freedom in Iraq thus far, why you suddenly want to impose your own yet-unnamed set of values upon Iraq in 2005?

 

[ThAnswr]

Why are you askin' me? Your guy came up with the plan. Remember..the rose petal's thrown at our brave soilders' feet, thousands of years of struggle simply falling by the wayside, religious tolerance's doors flying wide open and Iraqis experiencing the sweet smell of freedom. I just live here...and voted Kerry.

Now, you're killling me.

Don't you just love it: now they ask "what's the plan". All along we've been hearing "what's the Democratic plan", "what's Kerry's plan", ad nauseum.

It turns out they don't even know what Bush's plan is.

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[Teejay32]

If it comforts you to think that, go ahead, but I'm certain I've read at least 100x more on the relevant issues than you have, for at least 20 years and from a panoply of sources. I happended to save Kevin's summation in anticipation of mindless arguments like relying on "Operation Iraqi Freedom".

Oh, excellent! You can provide a summary of US support for Saddam and/or actions taken against Iraq post-1988, and the rationales given.

 

[Teejay32]

....and my mother is calling me. Be back later.

 

[ThAnswr]

well, a) I won't be running for President, (b) in order to even form such a theocracy, people would have to vote it in and I'll believe that when I see it, and (c) I'm assuming you mean by "theocracy" that the laws of Iraq would be based on Islamic Sharia, which in strong right-wing fashion might be disasterous, but in more liberal fashion would be as threatening as our legal system being based on Judeo-Christian values. As long as basic human rights ae incorporated within, what do you care where it comes from?

Since you seem to know so much about Sharia, maybe you can expand on that.

Name one country in the Muslim world, where Sharia has been incorporated into the law, in which a woman is not:

1) at best, a second class citizen

2) at worst, lower than a dog.

Now you can answer the question for us "conservatives", since you've done absolutely nothing for the cause of freedom in Iraq thus far, why you suddenly want to impose your own yet-unnamed set of values upon Iraq in 2005?

All of a sudden our democratic values of freedom have suddenly morphed into a "yet-unnamed set of values". What a difference 2+ years, 1800+ lives, and 13000+ wounded make.

No one has any answers anymore. No one knows what the plan is. Theocracy is fine if that's what the Iraqi's want.

Truly a banner day.

 

[Charade]

Now, you're killling me.

Don't you just love it: now they ask "what's the plan". All along we've been hearing "what's the Democratic plan", "what's Kerry's plan", ad nauseum.

It turns out they don't even know what Bush's plan is.

You can't make this stuff up.

Umm.. that's a bit different and you know it. The scenario was posed that Iraq could fall into a theocracy and *you* said we should get some say in how their new government handles human rights issues because we lost lives over there. So, what's *your* plan to do that? Those on the right stated that it would be a disappointing outcome but we shouldn't "force" them to do anything they don't decide on their own.

I now know why Hillary is practically silent on the issue of womens rights while they are drafting the constitution, while I hope that she doesn't want that to actually happen (loss of womens rights), I'm pretty sure she would use it as ammunition to push her along in her goal to become Queen of the Whitehouse.

 

[totalia]

For all his spouting about war, he sure doesn't seem to care much does he? He spends more time playing than any president should even consider. I can't stand that man.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Umm.. that's a bit different and you know it. The scenario was posed that Iraq could fall into a theocracy and *you* said we should get some say in how their new government handles human rights issues because we lost lives over there. So, what's *your* plan to do that? Those on the right stated that it would be a disappointing outcome but we shouldn't "force" them to do anything they don't decide on their own.

Well said.

If we pushed them too hard on the type of government and its rules, we know how quickly the left and many in the world would yell "puppet govenment" or "US-installed govenment." No winning with some people.

 

[ThAnswr]

Umm.. that's a bit different and you know it. The scenario was posed that Iraq could fall into a theocracy and *you* said we should get some say in how their new government handles human rights issues because we lost lives over there. So, what's *your* plan to do that? Those on the right stated that it would be a disappointing outcome but we shouldn't "force" them to do anything they don't decide on their own.

You voted for Bush twice..........ask him what his plan is.

My plan was to not go into Iraq. Bush needs an exit strategy? I say he needed an entrance strategy.

But since me and you go back a while, here's my current plan.

If it's okay by you and the rest of the righties that the Iraqi's do whatever they hell they want including a religious theocracy, I'd have the troops home by the end of the month. Why waste anymore time, money, bodies, and most importantly, lives. Let the Iraqi's fight it out mano-a-mano among themselves.

I now know why Hillary is practically silent on the issue of womens rights while they are drafting the constitution, while I hope that she doesn't want that to actually happen (loss of womens rights), I'm pretty sure she would use it as ammunition to push her along in her goal to become Queen of the Whitehouse.

John, the winner of the Clinton-1-step-removed prize has already been given out. But, why are you asking what Hillary's plan is when you should be asking the current president and instigator of this war what his plan is.

 

[sotoalf]

I'm so sick of both the GOP and Democrats using the old canard, "If it's his war, then let him send his sons and daughters to fight it." That's why we have an all-volunteer army, folks.

Think, people. What about police? Firefighters? Fire marshals? All high-risk jobs whose employees may die. I don't want to be a police officer or a firefighter, so why shouldn't someone else do it?

(And I don't give a damn that the president's in Crawford five weeks. We Americans don't get enough vacation time. He couldn't screw up the post-occupation in Iraq any worse than he's done in DC all year).