Boycott EMM or...

[Planogirl]

But what you're not acknowledging -- or you believe differently -- is the inevitability of almost all the things you've mentioned.

1) I thought we'd shown that EMHs haven't actually been reduced by a significant amount.
2) I know tiering sucks, but it's a capacity issues at Epcot and DHS. If they didn't make people choose between the top tier rides, they would not have capacity to allow everyone who wanted a FP to ride them. It's not cruelty, it's logistics. And the point of FP+ was to take away the savvy users ability to get more FPs than the ordinary visitor. If nothing else, FP+ makes it so everyone at least as a degree of equal opportunity for rides without having to be there at Rope Drop. Because WDW does not like chaos, and RD has become chaotic. Were the system still FP-, it would be even moreso. When you have a small minority of visitors getting a majority of opportunity, overall guest satisfaction drops. WDW would rather sacrifice the magnificent day for a few in order to give the rest of the crown a good one. And as the internet and touring plans and strategies become more common and commonplace, the battle for those limited opportunities would become even greater. As much as we may not like it, rides (and FPs) are a zero-sum game. There are only so many spots in a day. if you let a minority of people get more than their share of those opportunities, other people are denied them. WDW prefers not to operate that way.
3) Like I said in the other thread, i think this is an attempt to take pressure off MK. And, like has been pointed out in the other thread, overall WDW hours increased this year. maybe not where we'd like them to increase, but the fact is they increased.
4) and 5) In any high demand situation -- and park admission is high demand -- prices go up. Always.
Imagine what they could charge for a Pokeman Go download now that the entire nation is hooked on it.
6) I think this is back to reducing the effect of the savvy visitor. It's not good for WDW for people to stake out viewing spots early. They aren't spending money, and they're clogging up the walkways. In addition, it causes the perception that the only way to get a good spot is to waste your time getting a good spot, which breed dissatisfaction. WDW would greatly prefer everyone go about their business, find a spot 15 minutes before the show begins and watch it then. But savvy visitors make that an impossibility. So WDW offers the chance to pay in order to assure yourself a good view without having to give up a decent percentage of your park time to do it.

To me, all of the things listed are attempts to deal with the crowds and the internet. i don't think either of them is going away any time soon.

Good list but at least part of this could have been avoided if Disney had kept up with the increased crowds. If a restaurant is popular the smart ones expand so they can get more people in the door. The successful store chains build more locations. I can cite endless examples of this. Disney however has placidly taken their time at adding anything extra plus a lot of what they added is in my opinion pretty mediocre.

That is done though and can't be changed. I would argue that limited capacity itself breeds more dissatisfaction than anything else you listed.

 

[Planogirl]

You had a solid case up until this.

That's a matter of perspective. Some people might see Pop Century as a very expensive resort.

 

[mommycrawford]

The only thing I like about EMH is that there are no Fastpass riders, so wait times have a chance of being accurate!...I find this so ironic, as Disney upsells staying onsite, and the joy of planning in advance/making fastpass reservations, and then creates EMM to somewhat negate the benefit of EMH.

...stay on-site so you can have extra hours at attractions, make reservations 60 days in advance, get ahead of the game, but oh!...It's 20 days until you arrive? Check out this new thing we are selling which just gummed up any hope you had of arriving early to avoid long waits, and assures you a crowd of sweaty, new to you, BFFs! Don't worry though, you can always add the park hopper option for a fee!

If my DD was not gluten free, I could see some value in the SW dessert party, especially after Josh's review, but waking up early for a breakfast at ABC Commissary just sounds like a dreadful idea (to me!)

...Anyone remember when, if you were not staying on site, they threw you out of the parks during EMH?
...RIP

 

[captain america 2003]

I'm not sure why some people have taken my original post the wrong way . It was never my intention to put down or shame anyone for purchasing EMM or AfterHours event tickets...if that's how it came across I apologize . My intent was only to try to rally those of us who use and enjoy the EMH benefit to resist purchasing tickets for these extra hours events because it is my belief (and I thought many others as well ) that this was the beginning of the end for EMH . As I've posted previously on this thread it is my contention that Disney will phase out EMH and gradually increase how many tickets they sell for EMM ( and the AfterHours offering when they bring a modified version of that back) while also slowly adding more attractions as well....thus eventually what you will actually have over time is EMH (similar in form to now) that you have to pay for ! I , perhaps naively , was hoping to keep this from happening .

 

[mommycrawford]

I'm not sure why some people have taken my original post the wrong way . It was never my intention to put down or shame anyone for purchasing EMM or AfterHours event tickets...if that's how it came across I apologize . My intent was only to try to rally those of us who use and enjoy the EMH benefit to resist purchasing tickets for these extra hours events because it is my belief (and I thought many others as well ) that this was the beginning of the end for EMH . As I've posted previously on this thread it is my contention that Disney will phase out EMH and gradually increase how many tickets they sell for EMM ( and the AfterHours offering when they bring a modified version of that back) while also slowly adding more attractions as well....thus eventually what you will actually have over time is EMH (similar in form to now) that you have to pay for ! I , perhaps naively , was hoping to keep this from happening .

This is completely what I understood from your original post!...Pay more, get less: the Disney anthem, post Roy & Walt. I will not be partaking, and I do not see continuing our annual 2 week trips after this August, despite still having a few unused tickets!

 

[miamimi]

I'm not sure why some people have taken my original post the wrong way . It was never my intention to put down or shame anyone for purchasing EMM or AfterHours event tickets...if that's how it came across I apologize . My intent was only to try to rally those of us who use and enjoy the EMH benefit to resist purchasing tickets for these extra hours events because it is my belief (and I thought many others as well ) that this was the beginning of the end for EMH . As I've posted previously on this thread it is my contention that Disney will phase out EMH and gradually increase how many tickets they sell for EMM ( and the AfterHours offering when they bring a modified version of that back) while also slowly adding more attractions as well....thus eventually what you will actually have over time is EMH (similar in form to now) that you have to pay for ! I , perhaps naively , was hoping to keep this from happening .

I don't think you shamed anyone with your post. I think this thread was used as a vehicle for some to brag about how much money they have to waste, oh I mean spend on vacations.
I understood your intent and I agree with you. I will not pay for things that used to be included with admission.

 

[IrishNYC]

I'm not sure why some people have taken my original post the wrong way . It was never my intention to put down or shame anyone for purchasing EMM or AfterHours event tickets...if that's how it came across I apologize .

When you start a post telling people to boycott something, most people are going to take it that you have some pretty strong feelings against those who are purchasing what you want to boycott.

 

[captain america 2003]

When you start a post telling people to boycott something, most people are going to take it that you have some pretty strong feelings against those who are purchasing what you want to boycott.

Wasn't trying to tell anyone to do anything . I was asking anyone who wanted to keep EMH to refrain from buying EMM tickets because I believe if this "test " is successful it will inevitably lead to the elimination of EMH .

 

[whiporee]

I'm not sure why some people have taken my original post the wrong way . It was never my intention to put down or shame anyone for purchasing EMM or AfterHours event tickets...if that's how it came across I apologize . My intent was only to try to rally those of us who use and enjoy the EMH benefit to resist purchasing tickets for these extra hours events because it is my belief (and I thought many others as well ) that this was the beginning of the end for EMH . As I've posted previously on this thread it is my contention that Disney will phase out EMH and gradually increase how many tickets they sell for EMM ( and the AfterHours offering when they bring a modified version of that back) while also slowly adding more attractions as well....thus eventually what you will actually have over time is EMH (similar in form to now) that you have to pay for ! I , perhaps naively , was hoping to keep this from happening .

I don't think people took things as badly as you might think they did; they just disagree with your premise. They disagree with the idea that these events are taking away from anyone, they disagree that they affect EMH at all. They disagree that this is the beginning of the cycle you suggest is inevitable.

They also disagree with the premise that EMH is inherently better than these new events, and that EMH is worth protecting at the cost of these new events. My family, for example, are complete babies about the heat in Colorado. I've got no idea how they'll handle Florida summer in two weeks. There is nothing Disney could do that would make me happier than to bring back After Hours on a regular basis -- six hours of night-time MK, with the last three in a nearly deserted park? Darn near perfect even at $149. It's all we would ever do. I've done EMH many times. My experience has been that it is a mildly less crowded version of the regular day. So for me, DAH is much more appealing than anything they do with EMH, and if Disney came up to me and asked me to make the call, I'd support DAH over night-time EMH every day and twice on Sunday. That's not be bragging about my ability to spend, it's just the realities of my family's situation

But on the bigger note, you may not have intended it, but there's a moral implication of the word boycott, that following one is someone a "right and just" action in response to someone doing something "wrong." Many don't see any of Disney's actions in this situation as wrong. Many don't see anything Disney does as wrong; they just see it as a company doing its best to maximize its profits or provide the best experience for as many of its visitors as it can. A boycott isn't just not going; it's not going with purpose. If you feel Disney's actions justify a boycott, then I'm Thomas Paine over here defending to the death your right to say it. But when you take a strident position, it's only natural others will respond just as stridently.

 

[Regan117]

You had a solid case up until this.

Why? It wasn't meant as an in-your-face. We stay on-property and have a family of 5, so we have to stay at deluxe resorts because of that. We always get suites because our kids nap during the day and we need the separate living/sleeping space so that my husband and I aren't trapped in a dark room while they are napping. Our resort room costs a lot - this allows us to spend more time there. I don't see how that hurts my "case". All Disney rooms are expensive, regardless of which level you stay.

 

[Regan117]

I don't think you shamed anyone with your post. I think this thread was used as a vehicle for some to brag about how much money they have to waste, oh I mean spend on vacations.
I understood your intent and I agree with you. I will not pay for things that used to be included with admission.

Nobody is bragging. Some of us don't mind spending more for a smoother, more relaxing vacation. That's what events like this provide for us. It isn't about how much money we have to "waste"...and what you might see as a waste, we see as something of value. It's more quality time spent with our family without the stress of crowds and lines.

 

[whiporee]

I will not pay for things that used to be included with admission.

This is the stuff that kills me, and kills debate. Name one thing that's been taken from the price of admission and given to a premium event.

Okay, I'll spot you one -- the VIP tours and the desert parties have taken a limited amount of viewing spaces that used to be open for people to scavenge up 90 minutes before a parade/fireworks show. That's it. EMM happens before the park opens; DAH takes place after the park closes, and was shown during it's April/May run to have not negatively affected hours. EMHs are still there for resort guests. Aside from the ability to grab prime spots before others got to them, what are these things that used to be included in admission and have now been replaced with pay events?

There aren't any. But a statement like that drives the perception that it's happening, that it's widespread an commonplace. And it's simply not true.

 

[JonUK]

I disagree with this. I like the concept of EMM and would pay for it again just to not have to queue for a couple of popular rides, get them all done as many times as I want AND have breakfast.

This is a private corporation offering a service which you may choose, or not, to purchase. This isn't a government policy. Boycotting is a little extreme, and you'd ruin it for many of us who DO want to hire this service. Perhaps I don't/can't stay at a Disney hotel, so you'd be ruining it for those people too.

If you don't like something Disney is doing, contact them privately. You don't have to buy their products or services - it's a matter of choice.

 

[frisbeego]

I don't think you shamed anyone with your post. I think this thread was used as a vehicle for some to brag about how much money they have to waste, oh I mean spend on vacations.
I understood your intent and I agree with you. I will not pay for things that used to be included with admission.

You're on an internet message board that specializes in discussing non-essential vacations, and you judge others' discretionary spending habits as a "waste." That's rich.

I will ask you a similar question that I asked OP, who was unable to answer. What general admission ticket included a walk up a nearly empty Main Street and 14 rides on 7DMT in 75 minutes?

 

[IrishNYC]

I don't think you shamed anyone with your post. I think this thread was used as a vehicle for some to brag about how much money they have to waste, oh I mean spend on vacations.
I understood your intent and I agree with you. I will not pay for things that used to be included with admission.

Rides were originally not included with admission. Is that how it should go back to being?

 

[Number Six]

This is the stuff that kills me, and kills debate. Name one thing that's been taken from the price of admission and given to a premium event.

Okay, I'll spot you one -- the VIP tours and the desert parties have taken a limited amount of viewing spaces that used to be open for people to scavenge up 90 minutes before a parade/fireworks show. That's it. EMM happens before the park opens; DAH takes place after the park closes, and was shown during it's April/May run to have not negatively affected hours. EMHs are still there for resort guests. Aside from the ability to grab prime spots before others got to them, what are these things that used to be included in admission and have now been replaced with pay events?

There aren't any. But a statement like that drives the perception that it's happening, that it's widespread an commonplace. And it's simply not true.

Does meeting Maleficent, Cruella, Queen of Hearts, Evil Queen count as 1 or 4?

 

[mom2rtk]

Rides were originally not included with admission. Is that how it should go back to being?

Only if they ditch the "all access pricing".

 

[Number Six]

When you start a post telling people to boycott something, most people are going to take it that you have some pretty strong feelings against those who are purchasing what you want to boycott.

I always thought the strong feeling was against those who are selling it.

 

[Mambo Junkie]

I, too, don't think OP was begrudging how anyone chose to spend their money. How, over the course of 12 pages it got twisted into that, I don't know. (Yes I do, but I'm not going there). It's about value, and whether the cost is worth it to some, or many, and whether it will affect a perk onsite guests may or may not lose. If some people find value in walking down a nearly empty street and riding Winnie the Pooh and Peter Pan as if they were roller coasters, then that's what works for them. I' personally (please note that I said "I, personally" and did not include anyone else in this; it's not always "all about you") don't think I would get a particular thrill in riding 7DMT more than one time in a row. It isn't exactly Space Mountain. The few offerings that are currently offered are not enough to tempt me to pay 400.00, (which, btw, I CAN afford) nor is a nearly empty park. As I said before, if there is value in that for some, then have at it. I'm not going to speculate over whether or not EMH will go away, but if it has any impact on guests choosing to stay onsite or not, I'm sure Disney will figure a way to fill them back up. There may come a time, though, when people have to choose between whether they want the expense of staying onsite vs a much less expensive (and nicer, more spacious) room or condo in order to offset the price of increased costs or extra $$$ events which seems to be the direction in which Disney is headed.

 

[miamimi]

This is the stuff that kills me, and kills debate. Name one thing that's been taken from the price of admission and given to a premium event.

Okay, I'll spot you one -- the VIP tours and the desert parties have taken a limited amount of viewing spaces that used to be open for people to scavenge up 90 minutes before a parade/fireworks show. That's it. EMM happens before the park opens; DAH takes place after the park closes, and was shown during it's April/May run to have not negatively affected hours. EMHs are still there for resort guests. Aside from the ability to grab prime spots before others got to them, what are these things that used to be included in admission and have now been replaced with pay events?

There aren't any. But a statement like that drives the perception that it's happening, that it's widespread an commonplace. And it's simply not true.

Well, you answered your own question. I'm not telling anyone else what they should do, I'm speaking for myself.