Boycott EMM or...

[whiporee]

Does meeting Maleficent, Cruella, Queen of Hearts, Evil Queen count as 1 or 4?

I don't remember them being regulars included in admission -- more like randoms you might happen to run into on any given day, just like many other characters. But if you want to say that more random and varied character interactions have been replaced with more specific and structured M&Gs, I guess that's fair. And if you want to say that some of those random interactions have been replaced with character dining or party events, I guess that's fair, too.

But you'd also have to say that in place of those random events, WDW has allowed families the chance to guarantee meeting Belle, Ariel, Cinderella, Tiana, Rapunzel, Snow White, Aurora and Merida (unless they've already replaced her with the new one), and still offers chance to meet Gaston, Woody, Buzz, Peter Pan, Alice for random M&Gs, in addition to the big four. It doesn't seem as though the things you get for your admission have been replaced by pay events; the characters may have been traded, but not reduced. Or at least not reduced in order to get you to a pay event.

 

[miamimi]

You're on an internet message board that specializes in discussing non-essential vacations, and you judge others' discretionary spending habits as a "waste." That's rich.

I will ask you a similar question that I asked OP, who was unable to answer. What general admission ticket included a walk up a nearly empty Main Street and 14 rides on 7DMT in 75 minutes?

Actually, this is a internet message board where everyone is free to express their opinions me included.

Yup you're right, but I would never ride 7DMT 14 times in a row, even if it was free. An empty Main St. would be nice, but I'm not willing to pay for it. I'm glad people find value in these hard ticket upsells, but I don't.

However, I remain hopeful that ticket sales are low and Disney decides to cancel these events. I wish Disney would focus on new attractions to attract attendance and revenue.

 

[Hikergirl]

Actually, this is a internet message board where everyone is free to express their opinions me included.

Yup you're right, but I would never ride 7DMT 14 times in a row, even if it was free. An empty Main St. would be nice, but I'm not willing to pay for it. I'm glad people find value in these hard ticket upsells, but I don't.

However, I remain hopeful that ticket sales are low and Disney decides to cancel these events. I wish Disney would focus on new attractions to attract attendance and revenue.

But if you don't feel they are any value to you and wouldn't pay for them, why do you want Disney to cancel them? Focusing on new attractions isn't a reason, Disney can do both.
This is what I don't get, there are alot of DISers (and I'm not talking about just this thread) who see no value in these events but hope they fail and Disney cancels them.
I guess that is why these people seem bitter. If you don't want to do these events then don't, but to hope they aren't around for the people who do just seems like sour grapes and pure bitterness.

 

[captain america 2003]

You're on an internet message board that specializes in discussing non-essential vacations, and you judge others' discretionary spending habits as a "waste." That's rich.

I will ask you a similar question that I asked OP, who was unable to answer. What general admission ticket included a walk up a nearly empty Main Street and 14 rides on 7DMT in 75 minutes?

If this is worth it for you and your family than by all means , buy it , do it . However , don't expect it to last . Disney will morph/change this over time into a paid EMH . My feeling is that Disney execs don't think they get enough bang for their buck opening a park early (or keeping a park open later) offering this as a free perk for staying on property . The cost of doing this doesn't justify it to them . Anyway , enjoy EMM as it is now because it surely won't last the way it is now . And just to be clear I have no bad feelings towards anyone who choose to do these events . I'm not trying to organize a formal boycott . I just want to try to save EMH because my family , and many others , use it and enjoy it and was hoping to enlist others here to help that cause . Perhaps I should hgave titled my post "SAVE EMH before it's too late ! "

 

[GaryDis]

This entire thread is a lesson on the efficacy of clickbait titles. I suggest people go back and read post #1.

If the title were "Save EMH", it would have reflected the first post as accurately if not more, and might have been a very different discussion.

 

[keishashadow]

Disney is a business, they will charge what the public will bear. I don't like it anymore than you do.

AP & DVC (often AP too) are regulars, they don't need to cater to us, already have our money. It's the people who come on down every few years that spend tons of extra $ on the DP & souvenirs that they will target. likely starting to add intangible perks or charge for the ones we currently have for 'free', and love. Sigh

Only thing I'd like to see change with emh is to allow AP's to take part whether their staying on site or not.

PM EMH are already often crazy crowded, no way could they support an influx of large number of local AP holders. Likely would be drawing a large proportion of teens on the PM also, possible security issues.

Still have AP room discounts. The emh is not a big draw.

We've had AP's for 3 years or so and have only stayed on site once. The hotel prices are far to high for the rooms they have. Shelling out money for the AP's, imo, should warrant being able to take part in EMH as well. I know it won't happen, but I would enjoy it.

The. EMH perk is built into the price of the onsite resorts, along with ME & 'free' parking.

If this is worth it for you and your family than by all means , buy it , do it . However , don't expect it to last . Disney will morph/change this over time into a paid EMH . My feeling is that Disney execs don't think they get enough bang for their buck opening a park early (or keeping a park open later) offering this as a free perk for staying on property . The cost of doing this doesn't justify it to them . Anyway , enjoy EMM as it is now because it surely won't last the way it is now . And just to be clear I have no bad feelings towards anyone who choose to do these events . I'm not trying to organize a formal boycott . I just want to try to save EMH because my family , and many others , use it and enjoy it and was hoping to enlist others here to help that cause . Perhaps I should hgave titled my post "SAVE EMH before it's too late ! "

Was talking to park VP @ DL last year during a 'special' Halloween event (dinner/show @ blue Bayou & seated viewing for their MNSSHP fireworks). Not as pricey as you'd have thought btw considering prices for some of of the top tier buffets. Anyway, she indicated that surveys said the one thing regulars have requested are special events that enhance their experience.

I have no issue with people spending their vacation $ as they see fit. I'm one of the typically frugal AP/DVC who eats most of her meals offsite and spends very little in the parks but do enjoy the special events and am willing to dig in the couch cushions to find some extra $ once or twice a year or so if I find I something really speaks to me (last year's SWW events as an example).

 

[Number Six]

I don't remember them being regulars included in admission -- more like randoms you might happen to run into on any given day, just like many other characters. But if you want to say that more random and varied character interactions have been replaced with more specific and structured M&Gs, I guess that's fair. And if you want to say that some of those random interactions have been replaced with character dining or party events, I guess that's fair, too.

But you'd also have to say that in place of those random events, WDW has allowed families the chance to guarantee meeting Belle, Ariel, Cinderella, Tiana, Rapunzel, Snow White, Aurora and Merida (unless they've already replaced her with the new one), and still offers chance to meet Gaston, Woody, Buzz, Peter Pan, Alice for random M&Gs, in addition to the big four. It doesn't seem as though the things you get for your admission have been replaced by pay events; the characters may have been traded, but not reduced. Or at least not reduced in order to get you to a pay event.

They were regular part of the Halloween party which was used as admission to do rides too by many and then they were moved to that dumb event inside the castle for yet another $99pp or something. Now they are part of Club Villain which doesn't include rides. But you wanted someone to name something so I did.

 

[frisbeego]

I don't think you shamed anyone with your post. I think this thread was used as a vehicle for some to brag about how much money they have to waste, oh I mean spend on vacations.
I understood your intent and I agree with you. I will not pay for things that used to be included with admission.

I asked you, What general admission ticket included a walk up a nearly empty Main Street and 14 rides on 7DMT in 75 minutes? Your response...

Actually, this is a internet message board where everyone is free to express their opinions me included.

Yup you're right, but I would never ride 7DMT 14 times in a row, even if it was free. An empty Main St. would be nice, but I'm not willing to pay for it. I'm glad people find value in these hard ticket upsells, but I don't.

However, I remain hopeful that ticket sales are low and Disney decides to cancel these events. I wish Disney would focus on new attractions to attract attendance and revenue.

fails to identify a single general admission ticket that provided such access.

I'm unsure why you started your response with "actually" because none of what follows negates what I said about message boards. You are on a message board that specializes in non-essential vacations, and you did judge others' spending habits to be a waste. My opinion is that your opinion of what is a waste is amusingly hypocritical.

It's also my opinion that you and others in this thread have made unsubstantiated and false statements about EMM. There is neither a resort stay nor a general admission ticket that includes all of the features of EMM.

 

[miamimi]

I asked you, What general admission ticket included a walk up a nearly empty Main Street and 14 rides on 7DMT in 75 minutes? Your response...



fails to identify a single general admission ticket that provided such access.

I'm unsure why you started your response with "actually" because none of what follows negates what I said about message boards. You are on a message board that specializes in non-essential vacations, and you did judge others' spending habits to be a waste. My opinion is that your opinion of what is a waste is amusingly hypocritical.

It's also my opinion that you and others in this thread have made unsubstantiated and false statements about EMM. There is neither a resort stay nor a general admission ticket that includes all of the features of EMM.

There was never a general admission ticket that offered this, but 7DMT came on line around the same time as FP+. FP+ eliminated repeat rides on every attraction unless you're willing to wait in long stand by lines.

I'm sorry my posts have upset you. but I don't think I've made any unsubstantiated or false statements. What did I say?

IMO if EMM is successful, more tickets and events will probably be offered. As examples of this, I will cite the marathons, and the Halloween and Christmas parties. Disney likes pushing the profit envelope. So , shoe horning more people in is always a priority.

 

[MaryKatesMom]

But some of us can pay for that extra night in the hotel or an extra day on a ticket AND attend the EMM/dessert party/etc. Some of us can go to both Europe AND Disney in the same year, and not need to budget for it or sacrifice anything. I get it. I spent my years as a college student on a budget. But I didn't get angry at people who could afford to do more things than I could. Or even if they can afford it, but don't feel it's worthwhile, that's fine. Ultimately, it's up to us to decide what's right for us and what we each can individually afford. Can I afford a ticket, 4 cupcakes and a place to stand for the show? Sure. But my perspective is why stand when I can have a table waiting for me? Why go buy the cupcakes when someone will provide them for me? That's just how WE see it. I don't begrudge anyone for thinking anything is overpriced or a waste of money. But it's OUR money. No one is taking anything away from you. Your trip is only as enjoyable as YOU choose to make it. You're only as happy as YOU choose to be. Stop making people feel bad about spending the money on these events. Some of us like them and we are just as entitled to like them as you are to think they're dumb.

There are many people on this board who also can choose to travel comfortably and at will. If EMH had been available I most certainly would have purchased them when the DD's were younger.

Everyone makes their own "value" decisions. However, many long time visitors have felt a change and a disconnect away from the service orientated company that cared about the guest experience. The Wishes Dessert party is an example. To cram in more seats they removed assigned seating. Now instead of walking up right before the party starts and getting a seat and moving to the rails during the fireworks people need to get there 2 hours before the fireworks and stand in line an hour. Wasting 2 hours of park time and standing in line an hour for a substandard view has greatly diminished the value for me without any changes in price.

FP+ was my breaking point. We had PAP's for years, and stay at BC with EPCOT being my favorite park and I now I can no longer enjoy 2 rides on Soarin' and 2 rides on TOT before noon with the afternoon spent enjoying WS entertainment. It will be awhile before WDW adds enough capacity to make it a good value for us again. I am taking someone's suggestion and am planning a trip to Disneyland.

 

[Mambo Junkie]

Last night, I went and pulled my brochures from past MVMCPs, MNSSHPs and the Princess and Pirate party (which has been eliminated). It really made me sad, all the special shows and events they have cut out. Now it's the paid Illuminations party, special meet and greets, and of course, the rides. I know it is worth it to some (many) but it's more crowded now than I find fun; I thoroughly enjoyed my EMH (nighttime) last trip. Everything was practically a walk on. Our MK EMH day was our arrival day, so we didn't get to the park until 4 pm. We saw Mickey and Tinkerbelle, and planned to dine and just see the attractions in Frontierland, Adventureland and Liberty Square. There were so few people there we ended up seeing almost all of Fantasyland (skipped the m&gs) and did not ride 7DMT. So, instead of eating dinner at LTT and seeing 6 attractions, we saw 12 (different ones - anything we did twice I didn't count) and were done in time for CTM and Wishes. To me, that's value in EMH, which is an onsite perk. I can definitely see EMM being a perk for AP holders, since the pass is paid for, so they don't have the expense of buying park tickets. There's just not enough offered to make it of value to me. I can add a day for less than 70.00 and have a whole day at the park plus be able to take afternoon breaks because we're not trying to cram it all into 1 day. Last visit, the only day we did not break was our HS day, which we did cram everything into 1 day, lol.
It also makes a difference if you have children with you. When touring with children, you will see a lot of attractions or do m&gs you wouldn't do on an adult trip. This trip it's just me and DH, so I will not be doing Pooh, IASM, Storytime with Belle, and (sorry to say this) Peter Pan. I'll be doing the coasters, dropping elevators and things I sometimes forego in order to keep the little ones entertained. When we take them, it's all about them.