Bombshell Obama Pastor Video

[LuvDuke]

Apparently it's being reported he was suspended from the campaign, but you know these are the tactics that will be used. There's a lot of video out there on both candidates, and on McCain himself, Dem's are both going to have to get their acts together and act with great precision.

People take their cues from the top. If the top brings the hammer down, it stops. If the top looks the other way, it goes on.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I would be damned surprised if McCain doesn't hang the culprit up by the short hairs.

I would too. McCain is a good and decent man-I don't agree with him on the issues and I won't be voting for him-but that doesn't take away from my admiration for him as a human being.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

When it comes to political campaigning, there's not much off limits. Everything is fair game these days, but they all enter the race fully aware that this is the case.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

Not surprising, it was a McCain Republican Aid that circulated the Wright sermons, he's been suspended from the campaign apparently... this is just now breaking, being reported on CNN & Politico

They've now shown what they're up to, and been pinned for it, Clinton should tread her water very carefully...

That's not how I heard it reported. It's my understanding that this person was found just today forwarding crap, not that he started the whole thing. Remember, Hannity wants all the credit for the unveiling.

 

[LuvDuke]

When it comes to political campaigning, there's not much off limits. Everything is fair game these days, but they all enter the race fully aware that this is the case.

That's ********. If there's no respect for the other person you might as well hold the election in a cesspool. YMMV

 

[SwedishMeatball]

That's ********. If there's no respect for the other person you might as well hold the election in a cesspool. YMMV

I'm not stating an opinion of agreement or disagreement on how politics operate, just the way I see them unfold. You don't have to like it to accept the reality of the situation. Now go wash your mouth out with soap.

 

[Geoff_M]

That's not how I heard it reported. It's my understanding that this person was found just today forwarding crap, not that he started the whole thing. Remember, Hannity wants all the credit for the unveiling.

From Politico:

Soren Dayton, who works in McCain's political department, sent out the YouTube link of "Is Obama Wright?" on twitter at 12:31 today with the tag, "Good video on Obama and Wright."

I saw the link to this video posted this morning... on Politico! It was a story that said the video had been made by Laura Ingrahm's producer. Politico posted it yesterday. It appears the aide's only sin was to email people that it was a "good" video and sent the link along. But the aide was properly dismissed, just like Obama's "monster" staffer, and Geraldine from Hillary's camp.

 

[LuvDuke]

I'm not stating an opinion of agreement or disagreement on how politics operate, just the way I see them unfold. You don't have to like it to accept the reality of the situation. Now go wash your mouth out with soap.

You can accept the reality all you want. It's still ******** and it isn't getting us anywhere. And it will not change unless you stop accepting it. YMMV

Unless, of course, you think it's helping you at the moment. In that case, it will bite you in the butt eventually.

As for washing my mouth out with soap, I'm over 50 and those days are looooong gone. And so are my days of explaining myself and excusing myself over which words I choose.

 

[Charade]

That's ********. If there's no respect for the other person you might as well hold the election in a cesspool. YMMV

You mean we haven't crawled in to it already?

 

[LuvDuke]

You mean we haven't crawled in to it already?

Honestly, we're just treading the cesspool.

This has got to stop. This is no longer a vetting process. It is a meat grinder and we are not stronger for it.

I truly do not care who attends what church, who's the pastor, or the reasons they go to that church. People attend a specific church for all kinds of reasons including family ties, it's local, my mate/companion drags me there, etc. There are people in the Catholic church who still attend church and they've had their differences since the ban on artificial birth control.

We have to draw that line again.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

You can accept the reality all you want. It's still ******** and it isn't getting us anywhere. And it will not change unless you stop accepting it. YMMV

Unless, of course, you think it's helping you at the moment. In that case, it will bite you in the butt eventually.

As for washing my mouth out with soap, I'm over 50 and those days are looooong gone. And so are my days of explaining myself and excusing myself over which words I choose.

Thanks for your permission.

Assume whatever you want.

Have at it then.

 

[Charade]

From Politico:I saw the link to this video posted this morning... on Politico! It was a story that said the video had been made by Laura Ingrahm's producer. Politico posted it yesterday. It appears the aide's only sin was to email people that it was a "good" video and sent the link along. But the aide was properly dismissed, just like Obama's "monster" staffer, and Geraldine from Hillary's camp.

Former. Remember, there is a difference.

 

[Charade]

Honestly, we're just treading the cesspool.

This has got to stop. This is no longer a vetting process. It is a meat grinder and we are not stronger for it.

I truly do not care who attends what church, who's the pastor, or the reasons they go to that church. People attend a specific church for all kinds of reasons including family ties, it's local, my mate/companion drags me there, etc. There are people in the Catholic church who still attend church and they've had their differences since the ban on artificial birth control.

We have to draw that line again.

I too couldn't care less what church someone attends or how they worship. I *do* (and lots of liberals feel the same way) care what he brings to the table from his church or religous experience just as I would from his business or personal life. We are electing human beings, not robots. It's just that we are interested in different things and how they will affect the country. Again, it's a matter of perspective.

 

[Geoff_M]

Former. Remember, there is a difference.

Oooops, missed that part.

I too couldn't care less what church someone attends or how they worship. I *do* (and lots of liberals feel the same way) care what he brings to the table from his church or religous experience just as I would from his business or personal life. We are electing human beings, not robots. It's just that we are interested in different things and how they will affect the country. Again, it's a matter of perspective.

Well, look at the up-side of this... Thanks to our modern-day Lincoln's speech, we shouldn't have to worry about any GOP candidates being given anymore flack for speaking at Bob Jones U. or appearing on The 700 Club!

 

[bsnyder]

I don't think this "zone of privacy" that some are advocating applies to Reverend Wright. He wasn't "just" his private pastor. Obama made him part of his campaign.

PRESS RELEASE from Obama for America
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Dec. 4, 2007

Renowned Faith Leaders Come Together to Support Obama

Unprecedented group of nation’s top Black religious leaders unveiled

CHARLESTON, S.C. –U.S. Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign today unveiled its African American Religious Leadership Committee at both the national and statewide levels. Together, they represent two groups of key national and South Carolina religious leaders who are supporting Obama’s bid for the Democratic nomination.

These groups are truly without equal and reflect the belief among clergy that Obama has dedicated his public life to living the values of his faith outside of his house of worship. The national leadership committee is made up of presidents of two of the largest national Baptist conventions; the most senior Bishop of the African Methodist Episcopal Church, some of the most well-known African American women religious leaders and living legends of the Civil Rights movement, Rev. Dr. Joseph E. Lowery and Dr. C.T. Vivian; and many others.

Bishop Walter Scott Thomas and Lowery joined Vivian in Charleston to unveil the list. South Carolina ministers attending the event included Rev. Ralph Canty of Savannah Grove Baptist in Effingham, Rev. Dr. Charles Heyward of St. James Presbyterian on James Island and Revs. Alanza Washington of Wallingford Presbyterian in Charleston and Julius McDowell of Big Wesley United Methodist in Hollywood.

The South Carolina leadership committee includes nearly 130 senior pastors from some of the largest and most important churches across the state. Both groups represent Senator Obama’s support among thousands of Black clergy and religious leaders across America, leaders who have come to recognize that Obama represents change they can believe in.

“This is an unprecedented group for an unprecedented candidate,” said National African American Religious Committee Co-Chair Rev. Otis Moss, Jr., a civil rights legend and former president of the Morehouse University Board of Trustees. “As a lifelong advocate for the less fortunate and the forgotten, Senator Obama lives his faith everyday. He continues to talk about a faith that works to unite and not divide people.”

Obama often speaks about the role his faith plays in his public and family life and how it influences his approach to the great issues that face the country -- healthcare, education and poverty. The National African American Religious Leadership Committee meets on regular conference calls to support Senator Obama.

The South Carolina campaign has held Obama Faith Forums across the state, launched the “40 Days of Faith & Family” effort, and reached out to people of faith to help them organize within their own networks to spread the word about Obama. So far, the Obama campaign has recruited more than 200 Faith Community Contacts – grassroots church leaders who are identifying and educating voters in advance of the primary election – in 27 counties.

“Americans need a leader whose values are rooted in the belief that we must care for the least of these, that we have a responsibility to our fellow man and that if one of us is not succeeding, then all of us are not succeeding,” Canty said. “We believe that Senator Obama is that leader.”

 

[LuvDuke]

I too couldn't care less what church someone attends or how they worship. I *do* (and lots of liberals feel the same way) care what he brings to the table from his church or religous experience just as I would from his business or personal life. We are electing human beings, not robots. It's just that we are interested in different things and how they will affect the country. Again, it's a matter of perspective.

You're assuming they're bringing anything to the table from their church. My contention is people go to church for all sorts of reasons. They may or may not bring anything to the non-religious life.

I think we're in agreement that it isn't so much that "1 hour in church", but what happens afterwards.

 

[LuvDuke]

Oooops, missed that part.

Well, look at the up-side of this... Thanks to our modern-day Lincoln's speech, we shouldn't have to worry about any GOP candidates being given anymore flack for speaking at Bob Jones U. or appearing on The 700 Club!

How do you get from there to here? How can you possibly compare going to religious services with seeking a political endorsement?

Pardon me, but candidates speak at Bob Jones or visit the 700 Club looking for political endorsement. That's not an exercise of freedom of religion or the the right to privacy. What a candidate seeks for political purposes is fair game politically.

However, if Bob Jones was someone's pastor, what happens between the pastor and individual is off limits. What happens inside the church is no one's business, unless it's illegal.

The problem is not that people go to church for whatever reasons. The problem is we're mixing religion and politics. Keep the 2 separate, IMO.

Btw, Bob Jones has been dead for 40 years. Methinks he and his minister have been having many a conversation.

 

[afcgirl]

Double post

 

[afcgirl]

Dropping the bombs in Japan was absolutely, positively, unequivocably an act of terrorism. Just like them bombing Pearl Harbour to begin with was an act of terrorism.

How anybody could even ask that question is beyond me. Do you not understand that to the countries that you bomb and invade you are the terrorists? You can't be the bully on the playground and not expect somebody to throw a rock at you when you aren't looking.

I am not saying you deserved 9/11. I am saying that given your role on the world stage and the manner in which you conduct yourselves there, the attacks perpetuated against US interests around the world are not surprising.

Isn't it nice that your country doesn't have to make any hard military decisions to save Canadian lives because you just sit back and rely on US protection?

It's easy to judge from outside the ring. Why don't you try getting in the ring for once?

 

[bsnyder]

How do you get from there to here? How can you possibly compare going to religious services with seeking a political endorsement?

Pardon me, but candidates speak at Bob Jones or visit the 700 Club looking for political endorsement. That's not an exercise of freedom of religion or the the right to privacy. What a candidate seeks for political purposes is fair game politically.

However, if Bob Jones was someone's pastor, what happens between the pastor and individual is off limits. What happens inside the church is no one's business, unless it's illegal.

The problem is not that people go to church for whatever reasons. The problem is we're mixing religion and politics. Keep the 2 separate, IMO.

Too late for that.