Bombshell Obama Pastor Video

sorry I found it... on www.politico.com

ps - i mentioned it before you would be surprised at who I voted for in the NJ primary ;)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9135.html

Did you miss this: "The survey of 464 randomly selected registered Democrats in Pennsylvania was conducted March 11-16, and has a sampling error of 5.7 percent among likely Democratic voters."

That time period included 3 days at the height of the Obama controversy. It would be interesting to see Rasmussen in the time period of 3/19-3/22. That's where you may or may not see a trend developing or the impact of the Obama speech.
 
Thanks, va32h--you pretty much summed up my thoughts.
Through all these sarcastic, eye-rolling comments, occasionally there is some truth to be found.
Have a great day! :)

True to a point. The Republicans likely wouldn't vote him not matter what. But now, if Obama receives the nomination, many Democrats who supported Clinton in the primaries may simply NOT vote for either candidate in the general election. While that would basically hand the presidency to McCain, the DNC has no one to blame but themselves for presenting, and apparently backing, an unvetted, unproven candidate for reasons known only to them.
 
I did. It was quite shocking. But on a different level than Obama's Rev.

I actually found his words scarier than the other pastor...:confused3

He called his parishoners 'maggots' for even considering supporting Obama. What confused me was his perception that everyone was in fact supporting Obama. His tone was threatening and nasty!
 

You can't make this stuff up. :lmao:

Actually, it was Jefferson who first mentioned the "wall of separation" and used the letter to further define the "the Establishment Clause" in the Constitution? But what the hell would Jefferson know? :lmao:


http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html

*A* founding father. The Constitution or the BoR mention NOTHING about a wall. The "wall" was defined by the SCOTUS via "The Lemon test" long after Jefferson was dead.
 
I actually found his words scarier than the other pastor...:confused3

He called his parishoners 'maggots' for even considering supporting Obama. What confused me was his perception that everyone was in fact supporting Obama. His tone was threatening and nasty!

I would hope the Clintons would denounce this tactic.
 
*A* founding father. The Constitution or the BoR mention NOTHING about a wall. The "wall" was defined by the SCOTUS via "The Lemon test" long after Jefferson was dead.

Keep arguing that Jefferson knew nothing about the Constitution and the meaning of the Establishment Clause.
 
I actually found his words scarier than the other pastor...:confused3

He called his parishoners 'maggots' for even considering supporting Obama. What confused me was his perception that everyone was in fact supporting Obama. His tone was threatening and nasty!

Kinda makes ya root for the IRS!
 
True to a point. The Republicans likely wouldn't vote him not matter what. But now, if Obama receives the nomination, many Democrats who supported Clinton in the primaries may simply NOT vote for either candidate in the general election. While that would basically hand the presidency to McCain, the DNC has no one to blame but themselves for presenting, and apparently backing, an unvetted, unproven candidate for reasons known only to them.

Psst, the primaries are the vetting process. Or should candidates be prevented from running via a vetting committee before the process even starts?
 
*A* founding father. The Constitution or the BoR mention NOTHING about a wall. The "wall" was defined by the SCOTUS via "The Lemon test" long after Jefferson was dead.
And it was a founding father that 1)was in Paris when the Constitution was being written, and 2) contradicted himself his whole life. Let's blame King George for forcing slavery on us while I own slaves even though other people like John Adams (both farmers) don't.
 
Keep arguing that Jefferson knew nothing about the Constitution and the meaning of the Establishment Clause.

I didn't say he didn't. But if you think we should rely on how the founding fathers (all of them) believed the Consititution should be viewed, then that would kill the liberal idea that it should be considered a "living" document and not let the "winds of change" dramatically affect it's meaning. Right?
 
Psst, the primaries are the vetting process. Or should candidates be prevented from running via a vetting committee before the process even starts?

Uhhh, tell that to Michigan and Florida. Apparently their primary vetting doesn't count. Also, before the DNC actively encourages someone to run, don't you think that they should at least have their potential negative problems investigated? For instance, someone at the DNC surely was aware that Wright was a potential bombshell...someone had to have contacted Obama to suggest to him it would be best if Rev. Wright didn't give the invocation at his presidential announcement, as it is doubtful his full campaign staff was fully operational that early.

Oh, and don't forget, these early primaries...by moving them up, we voters had far less time to weight the positives and negatives of the candidates, or find out what the "new guy" was really about. While the DNC made public overtures against the early primaries, isn't it odd that only two states were penalized?
 
Psst, the primaries are the vetting process. Or should candidates be prevented from running via a vetting committee before the process even starts?

the process of running for president does not prepare you to be president. Otherwise I think its Nader's "turn" according to that theory.

You do have to have some actual experience to show for yourself.
 
Uhhh, tell that to Michigan and Florida. Apparently their primary vetting doesn't count. Also, before the DNC actively encourages someone to run, don't you think that they should at least have their potential negative problems investigated? For instance, someone at the DNC surely was aware that Wright was a potential bombshell...someone had to have contacted Obama to suggest to him it would be best if Rev. Wright didn't give the invocation at his presidential announcement, as it is doubtful his full campaign staff was fully operational that early.

Oh, and don't forget, these early primaries...by moving them up, we voters had far less time to weight the positives and negatives of the candidates, or find out what the "new guy" was really about. While the DNC made public overtures against the early primaries, isn't it odd that only two states were penalized?

What other states were penalized for moving up their primaries? I am in Florida and I support the DNC for not seating the delegates. The argument is with the Florida legislature, the Florida governor, and the Florida Democratic party for buying into the BS that moving up the primary would somehow give more weight to Florida. The Florida Democratic party was warned in May 2007 of the consquences. They ignored the DNC or didn't believe them.

And the DNC doesn't decide who gets to run in the primaries and who doesn't. It is also a bit early in the day to call someone unelectable. The fact is, with the flap over Wright, Obama is trailing McCain by 7 points in a time period that includes the time period at the height of the controversy and before the impact of Obama's speech. I can't see any data for margin of error.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_...al_election/general_election_match_up_history
 
the process of running for president does not prepare you to be president. Otherwise I think its Nader's "turn" according to that theory.

You do have to have some actual experience to show for yourself.

Huh? :confused3

Btw, experience doesn't mean squat if you haven't learned anything from that experience. Resume's don't make decisions.
 
What other states were penalized for moving up their primaries? I am in Florida and I support the DNC for not seating the delegates.

My point exactly, almost ALL the states moved up their primaries, and only two, Michigan and Florida were penalized. Yep, that was fair. :sad2: Remember, primary season used to be in June pretty much nationwide.

While the DNC doesn't decide who "gets to run" they certainly encourage or discourage specific candidates from doing so, and obviously by disallowing two states, they are manipulatng the delegate count.
 
So Rev. Wright hasn't said much that you disagree with? I'll list the highlights that I disagree with:

1. "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing God bless America? No, no, no! Not God bless America! God DAMN America! (cheers) -- it's in the Bible -- for killing innocent people! (cheers) God DAMN America for treating her citizens as less than human!"

Do you agree that the governement gave African-Americans illicit drugs, passed a three-strikes to keep the black man oppressed and that in doing those things has treated black people as less than human?

2. Jesus was a poor black man who lived in a country and who lived in a culture, that was controlled by rich white people! The Romans were rich. The Romans were Italians, which means they were European, which means they were white -- and the Romans ran everything in Jesus' country. It just came to me within the past few weeks, y'all, why so many folk are hatin' on Barack Obama. He doesn't fit the model!

CONGREGATION: Right!

WRIGHT: He ain't white, he ain't rich, and he ain't privileged.


Do you agree that so many folks are hating Obama because he is black? Do you believe with an annual income of $1.2 million that Obama isn't rich? (He makes more than 15 times our annual household income)? Do you believe that as a senator nad his wife's corporate board offers that they are not priviledged? Do you believe in the racist tone of Wright? Then Wright uses this foundation of falsehood to further break the law by preaching political endorsement from the pulpit (illegal) and says:

3. Hillary never had to worry about being pulled over in her car as a black man driving in the wrong! I am sick of Negroes who just do not get it! Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single parent home! Barack was. Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people! Hillary can never know that! Hillary ain't never been called a ******! Hillary has never had her people defined as nonpersons! Hillary ain't had to work twice as hard just to get accepted by the rich white folk who run everything, or to get a passing grade when you know you are smarter than their C-students sitting in the White House. Hillary ain't never had her own people say she wasn't white enough!

Hillary is married to Bill and Bill have been good to us? No, he ain't! Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky!

CONGREGATION: (cheers)

WRIGHT: He was riding dirty! (Grinds his hips in sexual way)


Do you agree that Bill Clinton screwed the African American Community? Do you agree with using mock sexual acts to drive home a point so their is no confusion what he means in front of children in a church? Clinton did more for creating "opportunity" and investment into inner cities for African Americans than any president before him.

4. "We bombed Hiroshima! We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians, and black South Africans, and now we are indignant (cheers) because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards! (cheers and applause) America's chickens are coming home...to roost."

Do you believe that the use of nuclear weapons to end WWII, saving hundreds of thousands of American lives by not having to invade the Japanese homeland was terrorism? Do you agree that 9/11 was earned by our "terrorist support overseas?"

5." ”We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college,” “Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body

So who is Michelle Obama "getting dirty with" to get her degrees and jobs? Who are all the other succesful African American women "doing" do advance their careers? Says no black man would ever be considered to run for president, when there was a strong movement to get Colin Powell to run in both 1996 and 2000. Now, Obama is certainly a strong candidate. Should Michael Steele continue to gain experience in leadership, it may be an option for him as well. I thought that Harold Ford had a promising career until he tried to jump to the Senate too early in his career and lost.


6. “America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”

The United States did not support Apartheid throughout Mandela's incarceration. In fact, the US opposed it all the way back to the Carter Administration and passed legislation to force American Corprations to divest from South Africa in the Reagan Administration and employed economic sanctions against them. Do you agree that America believe in white supremacy more than we believe in God?


7.“We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . .”

Do you believe this? The current administration has provided more aids and malaria relief funds for Africa than all administrations before him combined. Bush is highly praised in Africa for these efforts.


I think it would be more accurate for Obama supporters to say that they continue to support Obama's decision to stay and attend this church and include his pastor on his inner circle of advisors despite all of this. Just admit that 20 years of racist sermons and his embracing of this message by his actions doesn't concern you.

Excellent post - thank you!!!


I bolded something that bothered me about this whole mess of sermons, as well.

Its almost as if he's telling anyone in Church who doesnt agree with him, should be ashamed of themselves. And who wouldnt want to agree with whom they look up to, spiritually? And if they dont look up to him, why are they going there....

The whole thing is absurd, and defending any of it is even more mind boggling.
 
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Gary Hart endorses Obama
The Associated Press

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has picked up the endorsement of former Sen. Gary Hart, a Colorado Democrat and two-time presidential candidate.

Hart called the Illinois senator "the embodiment of what is best about our nation" and disputed criticism that Obama is inexperienced or lacks national security credentials.

"Sen. Obama's personal history uniquely qualifies him to restore America's standing in the world," Hart said in a written release.

Hart lost the 1984 Democratic presidential nomination to former Vice President Walter Mondale. He sought the 1988 nomination before his candidacy was derailed by allegations of an extramarital affair.

He has a remained an influential political figure with Western Democrats.




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My point exactly, almost ALL the states moved up their primaries, and only two, Michigan and Florida were penalized. Yep, that was fair. :sad2: Remember, primary season used to be in June pretty much nationwide.

While the DNC doesn't decide who "gets to run" they certainly encourage or discourage specific candidates from doing so.

Right church, wrong pew. The reason why Florida was penalized was because Florida moved their primary up too far. It wasn't that they moved the primary up. There is no Machiavellian malevolence here.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/calendar.asp

Florida was warned in May 2007 about the consequences of violating the rules. Florida chose to ignore the warnings and in August 2007, moved the primary up. The rules were there for everyone. Arrogance is what got the Florida Democratic party in trouble. Actions have consequences and Florida chose to ignore that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...7/08/24/AR2007082402124.html?nav=rss_politics

Btw, the RNC also penalized Florida by only seating half the delegates. However, the RNC primary system is weighted with "winner take all".

And, no, anyone who can meet the requirements (petition signatures, etc.) can run whether or not they have the blessing of the DNC (or RNC).
 


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