Bin Laden - celebrations

[Planogirl]

I was born but I wasn't born yesterday

I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt even in such a situation. The OP is a nice person and I don't see why it's necessary to continually beat her up over one comment. But that's just my opinion.

 

[crazee4mickey]

It mattered enough for you to correct it.

MLK didn't matter enough for you to use anything he actually said.

And while it is nice sentiment, not only is it a misquote, but it is a viral "pack mentality" that sounds real good and makes people think and go, yeah, you are right--but I have, I suppose, a skeptical mind that from a justice perspective that all folks would be against the death of someone who say, killed their own loved one, killed their child, their baby, the guy that tortured a man's family before burning down the house...

I have a hard time believing that every single person who is misquoted MLK today would not rejoice in the death of someone who has caused such great pain to their family.

Sure--there are people who would not, because they do believe that they should not rejoice for whatever reason---

but the problem with the idea of a "pack mentality" as you blame others for doing---well, this whole moral high ground pack is a wolf in sheep's clothing. It has turned into a viral clique and I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that all the folks who have joined truly believe that 100%. For if they did, they would not need to recycle quotes that a famous peace loving person never said to further make their point that "rejoicing" is wrong.

So yes--it does matter that you attributed it to MLK. You joined the pack to proclaim moral superiority and shame folks whom you disagree with. You stated it as a FACT to back your opinion as well as countless others. So much so that CNN did an article about it.

And the Mark Twain quoters weren't any better with their flip side quotes that also were attributed incorrectly to Mr. Twain.

It does matter.

My, if you say it matters than....well, it must

I don't make a career out of posting on the Dis so maybe don't know what your etiquette is

Really...so I can't post something because I think it is a powerful statement and then remove the name as it was an error that someone pointed out without you jumping all over it?!

Do I really care if it was MLK who said it...nope....not one little bit, it was the quote, and quote only... not the person that I thought was powerful....again my apologies for cutting and pasting (where is that "hang my head" in shame smilie??) but kudos to whoever actually said the quote because it came from someone!

The only reason many know it was not quoted by MLK is because of the post and research of some hard Dis'er (possibly by planogirl, my apologies if it isn't her) stating it wasn't by him so get off your high horse.

Pack mentality referred to groups on the Dis when one of their "little group" doesn't like something so the rest have to jumpin and repeatedly bash the OP and anyone who agrees with them...and by the way, I am not "morally superior" as you state but thanks for your judgement on my character because I post MY OPINION


Where did I state it was a FACT as you state? Wow....I think my exact quote was "A very powerful statement..."

My post was my opinion not fact so while you are busy pointing out others mistakes maybe look at your own....

Just looking to pounce on any mistake by anyone...at least I admitted my mistakes..... but maybe that's because you are correct, I am morally superior!!

 

[Planogirl]

My, if you say it matters than....well, it must

Really...so I can't post something because I think it is a powerful statement and then remove the name as it was an error that someone pointed out without you jumping all over it?! Do I really care if it was MLK who said it...nope....not one little bit, it was the quote, and quote only... not the person that I thought was powerful....again my apologies for cutting and pasting (where is that "hang my head' in shame smilie??)

The only reason many know it was not quoted by MLK is because of the post and research of some hard Dis'er (possibly by planogirl, my apologies if it isn't her) stating it wasn't by him so get off your high horse.

Where did I state it was a FACT as you state? Wow....I think my exact quote was "A very powerful statement..."

My post was my opinion not fact so while you are busy pointing out others mistakes maybe look at your own

Just looking to pounce on any mistake by anyone...at least I admitted my mistakes.

Not me.

 

[crazee4mickey]

Sorry Planogirl saw your name somewhere

It was a good post whoever posted it, pointing out the quote wasn't from MLK---read it after my initial post

I better "batten down the hatches" as I prepare to get a thrashing from Lisa Loves Pooh again because of a mistake

 

[Planogirl]

Sorry Planogirl saw your name somewhere

It was a good post whoever posted it, pointing out the quote wasn't from MLK---read it after my initial post

I better "baton down the hatches" as I prepare to get a thrashing from Lisa Loves Pooh again because of a mistake

I think that she'll let this one slide.

 

[NikitaZee]

I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt even in such a situation. The OP is a nice person and I don't see why it's necessary to continually beat her up over one comment. But that's just my opinion.

Totally agree.

OT - And since we're all entitled to our opinion, I can't stand Toby Keith and his ignorant self - patriotic songs or not. Yuck.

 

[136368]

I'm with Freyja.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

I find the OP's use of the word "disgusting" very offensive. And coming from a non American, who didn't walk a mile in our shoes after 9/11, makes it far more offensive. Our lives were greatly changed by the actions of this monster OBL, and I am thrilled he is dead. No, I didn't dance in the streets but I cheered when I heard the news that he was dead! I feel the OP is entitled to her opinion but feel she kicked a hornet's nest by posting it here. Some things are better left unsaid!

Well I am an American and happy to be one. But I found the celebrations a mite disgusting/uncouth/low class/embarrassing for the nation etc.

OBL was a terrible person but I hope to NEVER stoop so low as to celebrate a death.

The rage felt by Americans when other countries were celebrating 9/11 is ironic. Those people do not have the freedom of the press - they only know what they have been taught. If your whole life you have been told the USA is evil and bad - of course they would celebrate. I took the opinion of - forgive them, they no not what they do. I cannot blame the ignorant.

But we as a nation are supposed to be better than that.

 

[jrmasm]

I'm with Freyja.

You must not be an American.

 

[luvmy3]

Well I am an American and happy to be one. But I found the celebrations a mite disgusting/uncouth/low class/embarrassing for the nation etc.

OBL was a terrible person but I hope to NEVER stoop so low as to celebrate a death.

The rage felt by Americans when other countries were celebrating 9/11 is ironic. Those people do not have the freedom of the press - they only know what they have been taught. If your whole life you have been told the USA is evil and bad - of course they would celebrate. I took the opinion of - forgive them, they no not what they do. I cannot blame the ignorant.

But we as a nation are supposed to be better than that.[/QUOTE

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[luvmy3]

Well I am an American and happy to be one. But I found the celebrations a mite disgusting/uncouth/low class/embarrassing for the nation etc.

OBL was a terrible person but I hope to NEVER stoop so low as to celebrate a death.

The rage felt by Americans when other countries were celebrating 9/11 is ironic. Those people do not have the freedom of the press - they only know what they have been taught. If your whole life you have been told the USA is evil and bad - of course they would celebrate. I took the opinion of - forgive them, they no not what they do. I cannot blame the ignorant.

But we as a nation are supposed to be better than that.

Do YOU even remember what happened on 9/11
Interesting how we are always held to a higher standard. WE are supposed to be better than that, but we can't blame the ignorant people of any other country. No, don't think so in 2011 there is no excuse for ignorance, and there is certainbly NO EXCUSE for celebrating the death of over 3000 innocent men woman and children at the hands of the ignorant. Celebrating JUSTICE is not celebrating death, thats what we are doing, and that IS our higher standard.

 

[NaLisa]

Do YOU even remember what happened on 9/11
Interesting how we are always held to a higher standard. WE are supposed to be better than that, but we can't blame the ignorant people of any other country. No, don't think so in 2011 there is no excuse for ignorance, and there is certainbly NO EXCUSE for celebrating the death of over 3000 innocent men woman and children at the hands of the ignorant. Celebrating JUSTICE is not celebrating death, thats what we are doing, and that IS our higher standard.

Holding yourself and your fellow Americans to a higher standard does not equal forgetting Sept. 11.

 

[luvmy3]

Holding yourself and your fellow Americans to a higher standard does not equal forgetting Sept. 11.

No, but this statement from that post does:

The rage felt by Americans when other countries were celebrating 9/11 is ironic.

I'm out of this thread, I'm not here to change anyone's opinion, but I just can't continue to read some of this stuff, its disturbing, I mean disgusting.

 

[GinnyEmma]

Do YOU even remember what happened on 9/11
Interesting how we are always held to a higher standard. WE are supposed to be better than that, but we can't blame the ignorant people of any other country. No, don't think so in 2011 there is no excuse for ignorance, and there is certainbly NO EXCUSE for celebrating the death of over 3000 innocent men woman and children at the hands of the ignorant. Celebrating JUSTICE is not celebrating death, thats what we are doing, and that IS our higher standard.

Lol, they aren't going to get it. People have emotions. So sue them. If the self righteous want to look down their noses at those who have emotions, they are going to do so.

Saying it again. College students will party because it is national tulip day. They were 10 years old when the towers were destroyed. My college student sat here and watched it happen, and watched me cry, and watched people die. Obl was responsible for this atrocity. In war people are killed. This was a mini battlefield where the bad guys lost big time. Thus people are happy. Justice was served. The world is safer. One heck of a better reason to party than tulip day as far as college students are concerned.

 

[GinnyEmma]

No, but this statement from that post does:

The rage felt by Americans when other countries were celebrating 9/11 is ironic.

I'm out of this thread, I'm not here to change anyone's opinion, but I just can't continue to read some of this stuff, its disturbing, I mean disgusting.

Are you speaking of behavior or people?Walk away and have a good day.

 

[FredinFL]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. As long as they realize it's wrong if it differs from mine.

 

[punkin]

Lol, they aren't going to get it. People have emotions. So sue them. If the self righteous want to look down their noses at those who have emotions, they are going to do so.

Saying it again. College students will party because it is national tulip day. They were 10 years old when the towers were destroyed. My college student sat here and watched it happen, and watched me cry, and watched people die. Obl was responsible for this atrocity. In war people are killed. This was a mini battlefield where the bad guys lost big time. Thus people are happy. Justice was served. The world is safer. One heck of a better reason to party than tulip day as far as college students are concerned.

My college student (8 yo at the time) was in school in Manhattan (thank goodness it was the upper west side) and she saw people streaming north covered in soot. She saw people walking the streets in shock as Manhattan was shut down. She has had anxiety problems ever since. I can understand a little celebration.

As I said earlier in this thread, I do find it a little distasteful to celebrate someone's death, but the death of this particular "person" has caused the total amount of evil in the world to go down significantly, and that IMO is a valid reason to celebrate.

Comparing the celebrations in the US over the EXECUTION of a confessed (and jubilant) murderer to the MURDER of 3000 innocents is disgusting (and even though English is my second language, I use that word deliberately!)

 

[GinnyEmma]

I can't even imagine what your family went through.

My point is that they have lived with this stress for half of their lives. It has helped form their hearts. They have lived with a fear that I never had, and I am so grateful for that I didn't have that boogeyman in my life.

 

[punkin]

I can't even imagine what your family went through.

My point is that they have lived with this stress for half of their lives. It has helped form their hearts. They have lived with a fear that I never had, and I am so grateful for that.

I am in complete agreement with your point. I am sorry if that did not come through in my post.

 

[U2_rocks!]

This isn't a simple issue for me. I am viewing it objectively, not emotionally, and as such can see all sides.

Yes OBL was an evil man - he ordered many deaths, and he did need to be punished for that. I have no issue with his death being his punishment, though I think that death was maybe too easy a punishment for him (I'm not a big believer in Hell). I guess justice was served, though, and at least he won't be there any more to lead Al Quaeda into more atrocities.

But I am still uncomfortable celebrating the death of anyone. And, quite honestly, I never did give him the power that many have given him. I am not convinced that his death has changed much - it has punished one man, and may have temporily crippled AQ, but AQ will come back. I'm not ready to celebrate a military victory yet.

So I guess I can celebrate justice for an evil man, but I cannot celebrate death nor military victory. I guess that's why my feelings are rather subdued on this matter - I feel a sense of quiet justice, but not an overwhelming feeling of victory or celebration. I can see where Freya and others are coming from. I actually thought I was squarely in their camp, but I have realized that there are people out there feeling much stronger emotions about this than I ever will, and I cannot judge or condemn them for their feelings or the outward reactions that those feelings cause. I only speak for myself when I say I am not exactly celebrating, but I won't speak for or judge anyone else.