Benefits of 2020 Point Charts???

[peabody58]

Have any of you found personal benefit from the new point charts?

For our AP Year Plans Oct 2019 - Oct 2020, we will actually save 5 pts overall due to our 1 wk stay at BLT 2 BR. The change will not adverserly impact us for a few more years, but by then our long range plans have us selling our DVC anyway.

 

[KenOfTheLake]

I sent an email and got a call back. Was very unsatisfactory. Basically it was "trust us" but the customer satisfaction rep had no clue how the points were figured out. It may not break the contract but it sure breaks the spirit of the contract. I'm an Old Key West owner since 1992. Many OKW owners are now at retirement age, like myself, and we spend time in smaller units at better times. So basically "our" management is beating up on the old folks again. Only decrease was on high and premium times in two bedroom units. Not what seniors are looking for. So no Interval International and RCI sucks. No longer easy to sell or buy in the after market since they removed the perks and now lets start cranking up the points when seniors want to go. Yep, they are looking out for us! I don't think a lawsuit will help, plus they would defend themselves with "OUR MONEY". What will really do the job is to somehow get owners to vote out the right people and get a senior VP who cares about us.

 

[Dean]

I sent an email and got a call back. Was very unsatisfactory. Basically it was "trust us" but the customer satisfaction rep had no clue how the points were figured out. It may not break the contract but it sure breaks the spirit of the contract. I'm an Old Key West owner since 1992. Many OKW owners are now at retirement age, like myself, and we spend time in smaller units at better times. So basically "our" management is beating up on the old folks again. Only decrease was on high and premium times in two bedroom units. Not what seniors are looking for. So no Interval International and RCI sucks. No longer easy to sell or buy in the after market since they removed the perks and now lets start cranking up the points when seniors want to go. Yep, they are looking out for us! I don't think a lawsuit will help, plus they would defend themselves with "OUR MONEY". What will really do the job is to somehow get owners to vote out the right people and get a senior VP who cares about us.

Member Services, even the supervisors, are not involved in the decision making though they will give input earlier in the process when needed. They are simply there to pass along what they've been told. The only way to have meaningful dialogue is going to be with corporate or legal. That said, as I read the POS and I interpret the change, it doesn't violate either the contract or the spirit, not that your or my interpretation of the spirit would matter anyway. I read the POS as they can make the change by resort and that the requirement is to adjust demand regardless of who it helps or hurts. But in reality there is no commitment or agreement outside the contract, there really is no separate spirit.

 

[Pooh12863]

This is the actual POS wording:

"In order to meet the Club Members’ needs and expectations as evidenced by fluctuations in Use Day demand at the Condominium experienced by DVCMC during a given calendar year, DVCMC may, in its sole discretion, increase or decrease the Home resort Vacation Point requirements of a given Use Day within a given Vacation Home during the given calendar year"

So the POS binds DVC to reallocations only within the same vacation home, which is defined also as a studio or a 1BR.
Have you found a different section of the POS that contradicts and supersede this sentence?

If your theory is that if Disney did it they are probably right, then you're giving too much credit to a company that has been condemned to pay millions to early Aulani buyers (over the life of their contracts) for illegally setting dues too low in order to boost sales.

I was reading about the new declaration at CCV this morning and something stood out at me....

"The new inventory has five Residential Units containing 19 vacation homes"

I then compared this to the wording of the POS....

"In order to meet the Club Members' needs and expectations as evidenced by fluctuations in Use Day demand at the Condominium experienced by DVCMC during a given calendar year, DVCMC may, in its sole, absolute and unfettered discretion, increase or decrease the Home Resort Vacation Point requirements for reservation of a given Use Day within a given Vacation Home...however, that the total number of Home Resort Vacation Points existing within a given Unit (i.e., the amount of Home Resort Vacation Points representing 100% of the Ownership Interests in a given Unit) at any time may not be increased or decreased because of any such reallocation."

I then looked at an actual declaration blueprint and it became clearly obvious that a "residential unit" is made up of quite a few "vacation homes". I think maybe we have all been thinking a "residential unit" and a "vacation home" were one and the same when clearly this isn't the case and any "point math" we've been doing is not taking this difference into consideration.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I was reading about the new declaration at CCV this morning and something stood out at me....

"The new inventory has five Residential Units containing 19 vacation homes"

I then compared this to the wording of the POS....

"In order to meet the Club Members' needs and expectations as evidenced by fluctuations in Use Day demand at the Condominium experienced by DVCMC during a given calendar year, DVCMC may, in its sole, absolute and unfettered discretion, increase or decrease the Home Resort Vacation Point requirements for reservation of a given Use Day within a given Vacation Home...however, that the total number of Home Resort Vacation Points existing within a given Unit (i.e., the amount of Home Resort Vacation Points representing 100% of the Ownership Interests in a given Unit) at any time may not be increased or decreased because of any such reallocation."

I then looked at an actual declaration blueprint and it became clearly obvious that a "residential unit" is made up of quite a few "vacation homes". I think maybe we have all been thinking a "residential unit" and a "vacation home" were one and the same when clearly this isn't the case and any "point math" we've been doing is not taking this difference into consideration.

DVC has often declared different vacation homes within different units. I think there are GVs that may be their own unit. I’m uncertain how the bungalows and cabins were declared but they might have been in multiples but might be single for unit to vacation home. Most declarations though have multiple vacation homes within a unit. That goes back to OKW which as I understand the units were entire buildings but buildings there vary in design and vacation homes.

That is why if the requirement is to reallocate within units it then must be done within the each type of vacation homes too - ie, studios within studios, 1 BRs with 1 BRs etc. That is the only way the math would work. If the units were all identical and had at least one vacation home of every type then they would be able to reallocate across vacation home types and there wouldn’t be this question.

 

[papertraveller]

I sent an email and got a call back. Was very unsatisfactory. Basically it was "trust us" but the customer satisfaction rep had no clue how the points were figured out. ....What will really do the job is to somehow get owners to vote out the right people and get a senior VP who cares about us.

Where did you send the email?

 

[DougK]

Sorry to not understand but how would this mean more cash for Disney?

Because everything Disney does means more cash for Disney. It's Magical Dream Pixie Dust!

 

[cm8]

Because everything Disney does means more cash for Disney. It's Magical Dream Pixie Dust!