Ball caps & cell phones

I have never noticed if people wear baseball hats or not when we eat out, I will have to start looking. I am usually paying attention to my food! As for the phones, I have started carrying a wristlet and my phone is in one of the pockets of that so I really don't have a choice, my phone is on the table in the pocket of my wristlet.
 
Actually, I just don't get the need for every male to wear a ball cap constantly. If you're outdoors in the bright sun, it can keep the sun out of your eyes. If it's raining, it keeps your head dry. Otherwise, WHY? Most of the young men at the gym wear a cap while exercising. Is their head cold?:confused3
 
I think ball caps at any restaurant is bad manners. Just like I think you should take it off when they play the national anthem, just like you should say please and thank you and chew with your mouth closed. Im not sure Id call it rude, but definitely bad manners.

As for the phone. It all depends. When I am with family, it gets put away. Even at home, during dinner we do not answer the phone. Family dinner time is important to me and it is the only time we can all really sit down and communicate, giving each other all of our attention. Nothing can't wait for an hour.

When the kids were younger, I would keep it within vibrate distance in case the school or sitter would call. But I would never put it on the table. It just screams, "its here in case something more important than you" comes up. You can have it on "alert" discretely. On the other hand, if I was expecting a very important call, I would be sure to explain it first to my dining mates and excuse myself if I did have to use it. I do find it rude to have full conversations on a cell phone and make everyone around you listen to it!
 

I was sitting talking with my wife once when her cell phone rang, and she answered, and then said 'Oh, nothing.' So I pretended to pick my nose until she hung up.
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I totally don't get the hat thing. I mean, I get that it is considered bad manners by some, my mom always told me that as well, but I never got WHY it was considered bad manners. Nobody ever gave me a good reason, so I dismissed it It just isn't something I even notice. If someone has a good reason, please fill me in, this one has always bothered me because I just don't get it!

The phone thing, if you are expecting a call, I don't think it is a big deal. Now if you were on it all the time or something then I would think that would be a little rude to the people you were with. But just having it sitting on the table wouldn't bother me.
 
The hat thing is IIRC because it shows that you are not committed to staying where you are, just like keeping your jacket on, you are "ready to leave" at any moment. Taking off your hat and your coat show that you intend to stay a while.
 
At a casual restaurant I wouldn't even notice if someone is wearing a baseball cap or not, although I would tell my son to take his off if he was wearing one. DH almost never wears one, but on the rare occasion he does it comes off inside.

As for our cell phones, DS isn't allowed to use his at the table. DH has to be available for work during dinner every now and then, and he sometimes has to take a call. When we're out, I'll leave mine on the table on vibrate if the kids aren't with us in case someone needs to get a hold of us.
 
from Emily Post online...

Hats Off! The Who-What-When-Where of the Hat

When to Wear it and When to Not


Hats aren't the essential article of clothing they once were but are still worn by both sexes for fashion and for function. Knowing when to remove a hat is as important as wearing the right hat for the occasion. If you were a medieval knight who failed to remove his helmet or lift his visor and identify himself the consequences could be fatal. Throughout history hats identified social standing and removing a hat was a gesture of respect. In the "old days," men took off their hats in Christian churches, when they entered someone's home, when greeting a boss, and always in the presence of a lady. Ladies were entirely exempt from "hat rules," wearing them whenever and where ever they wished. While some of these customs are now historical footnotes, even in today's casual culture men and women still remove their hats as a sign of respect. Here's when it’s fine to wear your hat and when it’s not:

Men – Hats can be left on…
Outdoors
At athletic events (indoors or out)
On public transportation
In public buildings such as post offices, airports, and hotel or office lobbies
On elevators

Men – Take hats off, including baseball caps …
In someone's home
At mealtimes, at the table
While being introduced, indoors or out (unless it's frigid!)
In a house of worship, unless a hat or head covering is required
Indoors at work, especially in an office (unless required for the job)
In public buildings such as a school, library, courthouse, or town hall
In restaurants and coffee shops
At a movie or any indoor performance
When the national anthem is played
When the flag of the United States passes by, as in a parade

Women – Fashion hats (not baseball-style caps) can be left on…
In someone's home
At luncheons, weddings, garden parties
At religious services
At a movie or any indoor performance
When the national anthem is played
When the flag of the United States passes by, as in a parade

Women — Take your fashion hat off…
Anytime it blocks someone's view, such as at a wedding or in a theater
Indoors at work

Women — Remove baseball-style (unisex) caps…
In someone's home
At mealtimes, at the table
While being introduced
In a house of worship, unless a hat or head covering is required
Indoors at work, unless required for the job
In public buildings such as a school, library, courthouse, or town hall
In restaurants and coffee shops
At a movie or any indoor performance
When the national anthem is played
When the flag of the United States passes by, as in a parade

(Cancer patients are exempt from hat rules. They may keep their hats or caps on at all times if they wish.)
 
I think it covers my husband's lack of hair on his head.

My husband hasn't a single hair on his shiny head. He only wears a hat if he is outdoors in the dead of winter.

I was always taught that wearing a hat indoors was rude. That hats should be removed when entering a building.

The cell phone thing is new era rude. Yes, it signals to your companion that you have more important things than them on which to concentrate. Unless you are on call, or there is truly some very important circumstance going on in your life, put the phone away.
 
Actually, I just don't get the need for every male to wear a ball cap constantly. If you're outdoors in the bright sun, it can keep the sun out of your eyes. If it's raining, it keeps your head dry. Otherwise, WHY? Most of the young men at the gym wear a cap while exercising. Is their head cold?:confused3
Bad hair day? Hat hair (after wearing it outside and working)?
 
Wow - something most people on the DIS agree on!;)

Cell phone - if you might need to take a call (a doctor on call, kids with a sitter, etc.), phone should be on vibrate and in your pocket. A quick check of who's calling and that's it. If you need to take the call, step outside so you don't disturb other diners.

Hats - should be removed in restaurants; if no place to hang it, keep it in your lap. Good manners.
That just doesn't seem right. Sort of like you're trying to hide something. :lmao:

And then I'm guessing your napkin goes on top of the hat? :confused3
 
I think people are WAAAAAY more attached to their phones than they need to be. What are they afraid they're going to miss? There are very few true emergencies that require you to drop everything-- most things can wait AT LEAST until after dinner.
 
If you watch the old movies, you'll notice that men removed their hats indoors while women kept theirs on. I always thought that was unfair. :)

DH recently got hurt and had to get stitches on his head. He was quite sensitive about that and wore a hat everywhere. I guess that people thought he was rude too.
 
Bad hair day? Hat hair (after wearing it outside and working)?

:thumbsup2 My DH met us at a casual restaurant the other night right from an outdoor sports event, with no time to stop home and change. He took off his baseball cap and I told him to go ahead and keep it on - the cap on looked much better than the hat line and fluffy hair underneath!

My DH got yelled at by an elderly man at Bravo Cucina restaurant for wearing his baseball hat on while eating. I actually started a thread on it here. My DH was so upset that the man approached us that he couldn't even eat his meal!

If someone approaced my DH and scolded him for that, they'd get an earful from me!

I think it covers my husband's lack of hair on his head.

Yes. I know many men who wear hats for exactly this reason. They're balding and prefer to cover it up when they can. I can understand that.
 
I feel both the hat on and the phone on the table are rude. And I'm bald, not by choice.
 
The hats-off thing varies for men vs. women because their reasons for wearing a hat in the first place differ so much. In women, tradition holds that covering the head is the ultimate show of humility and respect for others, because a woman's hair is normally the most striking thing about her appearance that is under her own control. For men, otoh, hats have historically been put on for working reasons, and taking it off shows that you are not at work (and thus not thinking about competing with any other men in the area); it is the modern equivalent of leaving your weapon at the door. I don't like hats indoors (except in a place of worship); my personal subliminal prejudice is that a hat worn indoors in public probably equals unwashed hair.

As to the cell phone thing, I think that it depends on what you do with it. I personally find putting the cell phone out on the table and SWITCHED OFF to be a declaration that I am not going to be using it for the duration of the dinner; this is particularly important when dealing with teens, who will tend to text under the table if their phones are concealed. Putting the phone out where others can see everything about it also functions for many younger people as a deliberate show of social status: what kind of phone you have tells people a lot about you, and because it is often the person's timepiece, switching it off tells your companions that your time is theirs. So, if it is powered down, I don't have an issue with it, and will even do it myself. (Keeping it powered up is the equivalent of constantly checking one's watch; it shows that you would rather be somewhere else.)

I tend not to judge too much about smartphones that are out; most of them are so large that they won't fit comfortably in a pocket, and it is usually quicker and more discreet to silence a phone that you don't have to search for first. FWIW, Many people use putting it on the table as a reminder to switch it off and on; switch it off when you set it out and switch it on when you pick it up to leave the table.
 

What a bunch of bull! :rotfl:

Ladies, you can wear your "fashion hat" at a luncheon, but Gentlemen, don't you dare wear your hat at any meal. :lmao:

And really...how nice of her to tell cancer patients that they are allowed to wear their hat anytime.:rolleyes:

DH will typically only leave his hat on in a restaurant if he has already been wearing it and his hair would look messed up if he took it off. Taking a hat off for the National Anthem is completely different than grabbing a bite to eat. We eat at mostly sports places, so hats are the norm. We also live in a state where sports is everything to many people, so hats in restaurants are the norm here.

Why is it anyone's concern if someone they do not know has a hat on in a restaurant? I have never been sitting in a steak place and thought, "That guy I don't know and will never see again really should take off his hat, it's rude." In fact, I think even having that thought would make me the rude one.:rotfl:

Now, phones are different if the person has their ringer on loudly or is speaking so loud that it affects me, but otherwise, I am not looking at anyone's phone on a table 5 feet away and thinking they should put it away.

It is a person's right to wear a hat or have a phone. Who am I to say they shouldn't be allowed to wear/use them?:confused3
 
I think people are WAAAAAY more attached to their phones than they need to be. What are they afraid they're going to miss? There are very few true emergencies that require you to drop everything-- most things can wait AT LEAST until after dinner.

Sick horses. I know it's odd, but there have been several times I've been interrupted by my clients while I'm out (shopping, vacation, movies, dinner, and on and on) and they're in a full on panic because something is wrong with one of their horses (who live on my farm...usually a colic or an injury). Their ability to get in touch with me quickly so I can talk them through what to do while waiting for the vet (or waiting for me to rush back home) has saved a few lives.

Also had a call once during the winter from a panicky employee because pipes had burst.

Luckily, most of them know at this point to send me a text instead of calling, and that if they actually call me after hours there had BETTER be a true emergency.

It doesn't happen super often, THANK GOD, but it happens often enough where I always have the phone on me or on the table. If it bothers others around me, well I can't help them.
 


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