Bail out doesn't pass!

You know, there is very little that is even remotely as good as it was 8 years ago when the Republican Party took complete control of the government - especially the Conservative Right. There is going to be an absolute bloodbath in this November's elections!

I am not happy about this, but it's going to happen.
 
Pelosi says Dems delivered on their bargain, half of the votes, and the Repubs did not deliver their half of the votes.

Why she gave an irritating jab prior is odd. :confused3

But bottom line the Repubs are the reason it failed.

The Dems could have passed it without the Republicans. I wonder why Pelosi failed to mention that.
 
Well details of the bill are all over, lets reserve judgment either way.


Well since details of the bill are all over the place feel free to post your examples of said bloat.

I'm sorry but this has been all over the news. Heard of ACORN?:sad2:
 
Bill Clinton last day the Dow was 10587.59
Today the Dow is 10365.4
Today the Dow dropped 778 points

That was your retirement. Seven years of it. Gone. And if George Bush and John McCain had their way, that would have been your Social Security money too. Gone. Seven years of growth, seven years of your life, wiped out and more to come.

House Republican leaders couldn't get House Republicans to vote for the bill. Catch that? The House Republican leadership wanted the bill to pass but their own members en masse defied the leadership and voted against the bill. So whose fault is that? Nancy Pelosi? Uh, how about Republican leaders in the House, the White House, and John McCain who promised to get the House Republican votes that was needed. Nancy is a scapegoat. The bailout is a political nightmare. She was right though when she said "the Party is over"

Why couldn't the Dems get just 10 more? :confused3

And you need to check your math...
 

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Pelosi says Dems delivered on their bargain, half of the votes, and the Repubs did not deliver their half of the votes.

Why she gave an irritating jab prior is odd.

But bottom line the Repubs are the reason it failed.



Believe that if you want to but then Dems are the reason for the fiasco in the first place. See these excerpts from Investors business Daily:

http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306370789279709


Financial Crisis Started in Clinton Administration?



The Real Culprits In This Meltdown

Big Government: Barack Obama and Democrats blame the historic financial turmoil on the market. But if it's dysfunctional, Democrats during the Clinton years are a prime reason for it.
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 4:20 PM PT

"Obama in a statement yesterday blamed the shocking new round of subprime-related bankruptcies on the free-market system, and specifically the "trickle-down" economics of the Bush administration, which he tried to gig opponent John McCain for wanting to extend."

"But it was the Clinton administration...that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street's most revered institutions."

"Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that sound business practices had previously guarded against making."

"The untold story...is that President Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but 'predatory.'"

"Yes, the market was fueled by greed and overleveraging in the secondary market for subprimes, vis-a-vis mortgaged-backed securities traded on Wall Street. But the seed was planted in the '90s by Clinton and his social engineers."

"As soon as Clinton crony Franklin Delano Raines took the helm in 1999 at Fannie Mae, for example, he used it as his personal piggy bank, looting it for a total of almost $100 million in compensation by the time he left in early 2005 under an ethical cloud."

"Other Clinton cronies, including Janet Reno aide Jamie Gorelick, padded their pockets to the tune of another $75 million."

"Raines was accused of overstating earnings and shifting losses so he and other senior executives could earn big bonuses."

"At the same time, the Clinton administration was pushing Fannie and her brother Freddie Mac to buy more mortgages from low-income households."

"The Clinton-era corruption, combined with unprecedented catering to affordable-housing lobbyists, resulted in today's nationalization of both Fannie and Freddie, a move that is expected to cost taxpayers tens of billions of dollars."

"There's a political root cause to this mess that we ignore at our peril. If we blame the wrong culprits, we'll learn the wrong lessons. And taxpayers will be on the hook for even larger bailouts down the road."

"Obama and Democrats on the Hill think even more regulation and more interference in the market will solve the problem their policies helped cause. For now, unarmed by the historic record, conventional wisdom is buying into their blame-business-first rhetoric and bigger-government solutions."

"While government arguably has a role in helping low-income folks buy a home, Clinton went overboard...which only led to lenders taking on hundreds of billions in subprime bilge."


If all of this is true than why haven't the Republicans, who where in charge of Congress for 12 years, done something sooner? IMO the Republicans are 80% to blame and the Democrats are 20%, YMMV.
 
"But it was the Clinton administration...that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street's most revered institutions."

Yes forcing banks to treat minority areas equally, must mean HIGH RISK loans. Even though foreclosure rates in those areas that had been previously discriminated against are lower than the higher income "less risky" neighborhoods.
 
If all of this is true than why haven't the Republicans, who where in charge of Congress for 12 years, done something sooner? IMO the Republicans are 80% to blame and the Democrats are 20%, YMMV.

Just curious....how did you come up with the math for those percentages?
 
I agree. Pelosi opens mouth, inserts foot and hurts the reps precious feelings, so they're going to allow the country to go to hell in a handbasket??? What the deuce???
Once again, The DEMS DO NOT NEED THE REPUBLICANS to get this bill passed.
 
Yes forcing banks to treat minority areas equally, must mean HIGH RISK loans. Even though foreclosure rates in those areas that had been previously discriminated against are lower than the higher income "less risky" neighborhoods.

Don't throw "minority" as in "racial" into this. It has to do with minimum income requirements more than anything. That and the ability to make loans with little or no financial information on the borrower. It also allowed for higher debt to income ratio and loan to value than what was previously allowed.
 
Once again, The DEMS DO NOT NEED THE REPUBLICANS to get this bill passed.


This is not a democratic bill, the majority of the DEMS did vote to approve... YOU ARE CORRECT, it was not enough.
 
Obama supporter (but an Independent). I'm not ready to place blame on any party yet. Overall, a good number of both Dems and Repubs had issue with this bill as it stands so that concerns me. I'm not going to point any fingers until I see what the specific reasons were for that many of them to vote NAY. While 40% of the Dems voting against wasn't the majority, it was still a significant amount against it. I'm not convinced that this is a us/them issue.
 
No, we needed 10 more Republicans to pass this bill. The Democrats delivered their votes, the Republicans did not.

Two-thirds of the Democrats voted for it only one-thrird of the Republicans. It needed to be a bipartisan bill, not a Democratic bill.

Spin it anyway you want, that was the deal and it didn't happen.

You are just amazing!! :lmao:

So your leader's (Pelosi) rant on the house floor was just the thing needed to bring those votes home. Nice work Nanc.

The market lost 1.2 TRILLION because either 10 Dems OR 10 Republicans couldn't get it together.

I'm pointing my finger at all of them but feel free to continue to be one of the most partisan people I've ever seen. :thumbsup2
 
Don't throw "minority" as in "racial" into this. It has to do with minimum income requirements more than anything. That and the ability to make loans with little or no financial information on the borrower. It also allowed for higher debt to income ratio and loan to value than what was previously allowed.


Please show where Clintons ADMINISTRATION forced banks to lower their lending standards.


Republicans keep referring to actions taken by the Clinton administration to stop obvious discrimination, and spin it to say he forced banks into high risk loans.

But hey maybe you can provide said legislation where he forced banks to lend money to those not qualified.
 
If all of this is true than why haven't the Republicans, who where in charge of Congress for 12 years, done something sooner? IMO the Republicans are 80% to blame and the Democrats are 20%, YMMV.

Why don't you just go ahead- it's 100% the fault of the Republicans?:rolleyes:

Bush tried :
"2001

April: The Administration's FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is "a potential problem," because "financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity."

2002

May: The President calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in his 10-point plan for corporate responsibility to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO, 5/29/02)

2003

January: Freddie Mac announces it has to restate financial results for the previous three years.

February: The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) releases a report explaining that "although investors perceive an implicit Federal guarantee of [GSE] obligations," "the government has provided no explicit legal backing for them." As a consequence, unexpected problems at a GSE could immediately spread into financial sectors beyond the housing market. ("Systemic Risk: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Role of OFHEO," OFHEO Report, 2/4/03)

September: Fannie Mae discloses SEC investigation and acknowledges OFHEO's review found earnings manipulations.

September: Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact "legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored enterprises" and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.

October: Fannie Mae discloses $1.2 billion accounting error.

November: Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw explains that any "legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce systemic risk." To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the regulator would have "broad authority to set both risk-based and minimum capital standards" and "receivership powers necessary to wind down the affairs of a troubled GSE." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And Leadership, 11/6/03)

2004

February: The President's FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required capital, and called for creation of a new, world-class regulator: "The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore…should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator." (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)

February: CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to "not take strength for granted." Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by "ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, "Keeping Fannie And Freddie's House In Order," Financial Times, 2/24/04)

June: Deputy Secretary of Treasury Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk posed by the GSEs and called for reform, saying "We do not have a world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision to ensure the long-term vitality of that system. Therefore, the Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System." (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04)

2005

April: Treasury Secretary John Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying "Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America… Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system." (Secretary John W. Snow, "Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee," 4/13/05)

2007

July: Two Bear Stearns hedge funds invested in mortgage securities collapse.

August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options." (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, The White House, 8/9/07)

September: RealtyTrac announces foreclosure filings up 243,000 in August - up 115 percent from the year before.

September: Single-family existing home sales decreases 7.5 percent from the previous month - the lowest level in nine years. Median sale price of existing homes fell six percent from the year before.

December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs - and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, The White House, 12/6/07)

2008

January: Bank of America announces it will buy Countrywide.

January: Citigroup announces mortgage portfolio lost $18.1 billion in value.

February: Assistant Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, says "A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully." (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)

March: Bear Stearns announces it will sell itself to JPMorgan Chase.

March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and "move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages." (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08)

April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation and "modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08)

May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.

"Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)

"[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that - and Congress is making progress on this - is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)
Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)

June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying "we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)

July: Congress heeds the President's call for action and passes reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing."
 


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