Baby #19 for the Duggars born!

[happygirl]

I think it's the encouraging their child not to go to college that is the problem. If it was their own choice not to go to college that is an entirely different situation. I cannot imagine encouraging my daughters not to further their education simply because they are girls.

I guess I have never seen them tell the girls not to go college. Michelle went to college

 

[mjkacmom]

Your first comment is inferring that the baby was born early and is fighting for her life BECAUSE of how many previous pregnancies her mother has had; THAT is not accurate. The baby was not born prematurely because it was the 19th pregnancy of its mother.

If you think Michelle Duggar is, in general, a selfish person, then that's your opinion and it's your right to feel that way.

You are more likely to develop this condition with each pregnancy. My bp was fine with #1, a little high with #2, high enough to induce me at 38 weeks with #3, and high enough (with protein in my urine for 2 weeks) with my twins for an emergency c/s at almost 37 weeks.

 

[wdwmom0f3]

Have there beeen any updates on Michelle & the baby? I hope that they are both fine. I also wonder if this will be the last one or if they will try for one more to make it 20. I thought I had heard them say that they wanted 20 children.

 

[wendy46001]

As far as I know a lot of the girls are going to college. Some of them want to be nurses. One of them said they wanted to teach. Even if they don't go to college they will still be okay. There are a lot of women/men who don't go to college and are ok

Which one is in college? i thought they said the older girls are "done" with school?

Also there is a large difference between going to college and taking online courses that dont qualify to practice (aka the nursing/midwife degree they keep talking about)

 

[happygirl]

Which one is in college? i thought they said the older girls are "done" with school?

Also there is a large difference between going to college and taking online courses that dont qualify to practice (aka the nursing/midwife degree they keep talking about)

I didn't say any of them are in college. They have said numverous times what they want to be when they get older.

Have you ever heard The parents say the girls can't go to college? Like I have said a million times Michelle went to college. So I'm not really sure why people think they girls can't go to college if they want

 

[happygirl]

An interview withthe Duggars talking about college and plans for the kids

One Duggar flies the coop and another arrives! The large family known for their TLC show, The Duggars: 17 and Counting has had an eventful year. First born Joshua got married in September. (Tune in tonight to watch the wedding, which includes the 21-year-old's first kiss with his wife, Anna.) Then just before Christmas, baby Jordyn made her debut as number 18!

Despite their hectic lives and sleep deprivation, parents Jim Bob and Michelle took time to write a book, The Duggars: 20 and Counting! and carved time out of their schedules to talk to me about it. While their oldest son settles down to start a life and family of his own, Jim Bob and Michelle still have plenty of charges. They shared their thoughts on the future and how they are preparing their offspring for the real world. Aside from helping build the home they live in, the Duggar kids have been taught everything from plumbing to tile work and learned about politics while sitting in on committee meetings when their father was a state legislator in Arkansas. Other youngsters have the business inkling having built and sold bikes and eventually motorized vehicles for as long as their parents can remember.

lilsugar: Josh is now married and living with his wife, but in regards to your other children at what age would you encourage them to move out and become independent?

To see their answer and thoughts on modest dressing and setting their girls up for success, read more.

Jim Bob Duggar: When each of our children move out really has to do with what the Lord has in store for their lives. I would not want a married son or daughter living with us I mean unless it was a crisis type situation. I'd want them to have their own place because they are their own family unless maybe at an older age we may be living with them (laughs).
Michelle Duggar: At this point, I don't think we have anyone who wants to get out and thinks we're driving them nuts. Even Josh and Anna, they come this way and accompany us on some trips.
Jim Bob Duggar: As far as my children, my goal, especially for my sons is to be able to develop skills so they can hopefully provide for their families in the future. I also want my daughters to develop skills so they can provide if they had to. Some of my daughters may get nursing degrees. My sons, it really depends on their interests. My second oldest son (John-David) really wants to be a pilot so instead of him moving out on his own and spending all his money on paying for his apartment and expenses, I'd rather him go and save up and get his pilot's license and then start saving up for a house or make some kind of investment in business where he doesn't have any overhead so he can save up money and really get a good start.
Michelle Duggar: We taught our children from the very beginning that you never stop learning in life. School is never over. When you have that perspective, it's not the traditional way of viewing it. There are people who are out there and they are professionals at what they do and if you are a hard worker and have good character — are honest, responsible — there's many people that would be glad to have someone like that to work along side them. You can gain skills while you are being paid. A lot of trades, you may decide you like this right now, but go to work with somebody who does that and you'll find out if you really like it. There's so many people who go to college and turn right around and not use what they went to college for and this way, you're thinking it through.

lilsugar: In such a progressive society where many parents, especially mothers, are encouraging their daughters to be tough enough to make their own way in the world, your show often features your girls taking the homemaker and child rearing roles. Do you think they will be able to provide for themselves if they don't marry?

Michelle Duggar: Our girls are go-getters. No matter what, I know they could do that if they wanted to or needed to, but in their hearts, they would love to marry and lord willing if they had children to stay at home and raise their families. I've got a couple of them talking about going for their real estate licenses and about getting their CDL licenses because they want to be able to drive some of our big equipment. Believe me, my girls are not Namby Pamby. They've got goals and the desire to do things.

lilsugar: Do any of the girls object to the modest clothing? I liked Jessa's quote in the book that said teenagers all wear the same thing and nobody is bothered by it.

Michelle Duggar: We do a lot of that the perms and make-up. I think it was our producer who said the girls have sort of their own thing going, it's a "modern modest". That's a good way to dub it I guess. I told my kids, (growing up) I mowed the lawn in a bikini and had no idea what I was doing to my neighbor's husband across the street. No wonder the woman hated our family — you know? And, I think I had no clue as far as the responsibility I had in that the way I dressed caused men to have struggles. They (the girls) want to dress modest to draw attention to their face and not the other parts of their bodies that seem to be uncovered now a days. As far as wearing dresses, skirts and things, that was a conviction that the Lord placed on my heart and he knew the struggles of my heart from growing up Whether my girls continue that in their lives, it's up to them.

Check out what Michelle had to say about feeding her large family, shedding the baby weight and her basic beauty secrets. If you missed the first portion of the interview, check out these posts. For more information on the Duggars, check out their website

 

[robinb]

I wish little Josie all the best. I was one who questioned airlifting Michelle to the hospital but in retrospect it looks like it was the correct decision.

It's been clear for years that the Duggars were going to keep on having babies until she stopped ovulating or until something terrible happened. I hope, for the sake of possible babies 20 and above, that little Josie's premature birth is terrible enough. The problem, as I see it, is that I think Michelle Duggar's whole identity is wrapped up in making babies. She has been pregnant for most of the last 22 years! So, asking Michelle to stop having babies is to ask someone to essentially give up their life's work.

 

[wendy46001]

I didn't say any of them are in college. They have said numverous times what they want to be when they get older.

Have you ever heard The parents say the girls can't go to college? Like I have said a million times Michelle went to college. So I'm not really sure why people think they girls can't go to college if they want

I'm sure the girls can go to the college
just like they can wear pants (aka i'll believe it when i see it)

the online school they promote as using has a very limited curriculum and also unaccredited ...they will not be able to practice anywhere in the US if they get a degree from those Midwife/nursing programs...so it sounds like a useless endeavor....

what college did Michelle go to? i tried to google it but couldn’t find it

I think the duggars are very aware of their "image" and would never come out and say the girls have to stay home

Back to the baby, I hope she is doing well as i havent heard any updates

 

[happygirl]

I'm sure the girls can go to the college
just like they can wear pants (aka i'll believe it when i see it)

the online school they promote as using has a very limited curriculum and also unaccredited ...they will not be able to practice anywhere in the US if they get a degree from those Midwife/nursing programs...so it sounds like a useless endeavor....

what college did Michelle go to? i tried to google it but couldn’t find it

I think the duggars are very aware of their "image" and would never come out and say the girls have to stay home

Back to the baby, I hope she is doing well as i havent heard any updates

Did you read the link I posted. I think they would say if they didn't want the girls to go to school or not. They are pretty honest.

 

[wendy46001]

Did you read the link I posted. I think they would say if they didn't want the girls to go to school or not. They are pretty honest.

Yup read it,
like i said what good is a midwife/nursing degree if you cant practice?

Also they have said lots of things. Like the girls can wear pants, they can cut their hair, and they can date. I just havent seen proof of it; nor do i think it will happen

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm sure the girls can go to the college
just like they can wear pants (aka i'll believe it when i see it)

the online school they promote as using has a very limited curriculum and also unaccredited ...they will not be able to practice anywhere in the US if they get a degree from those Midwife/nursing programs...so it sounds like a useless endeavor....

what college did Michelle go to? i tried to google it but couldn’t find it

I think the duggars are very aware of their "image" and would never come out and say the girls have to stay home

Back to the baby, I hope she is doing well as i havent heard any updates

For you and also to Happygirl...and to the mods--if this is inappropriate, feel free to delete.

The problem with college--not that it is a bad problem--is that they would want a college/university teaching to the Biblical pincipals that they as a family believe in.

This does not have to be a bad problem as there are accredited biblical/christian institutions out there. However, due to their views--I think they will be hard pressed to find an accredited version of what they are looking for.

So they are not anti-college. They just have a very specific goal in the college choice which will lend itself to making it difficult to find anything accredited that would be respected by viewers. (i.e. they will never have a child that they'll happily send off to a state school or to Harvard IMHO--but that is just what I gathered from their interviews on that subject as Biblical principals are extremely important to them in education.)

I am not debating the point--but sharing my observation of their interviews.

*****

As for pants--when needed, the girls will wear them. That doesn't happen often, but I have seen a girl or two in them. One of the girls has stated is simply a preference--but of course that will depend on if you believe their statements or not.

The girls helped construct the home they currently live in and in one of the construction episodes, one of the girls is seen in a winter-pant-suit. I live in Florida and have no idea what those things are called--but it was some outfit that allowed one to be outside and working in frigid temperatures. Also as a side note, the girls were working along side the boys and working to the build this house. They weren't just providing the meal during breaks.

One of the little girls hasn't learned how to properly wear a dress yet. I know I am constantly reminding my girls when they were toddlers and chose a dress to not show their undies. That little girl wears pants or leggings with her dresses for now. It allows her to run and play modestly. I think it is Jennifer, perhaps?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I'm sure the girls can go to the college
just like they can wear pants (aka i'll believe it when i see it)

the online school they promote as using has a very limited curriculum and also unaccredited ...they will not be able to practice anywhere in the US if they get a degree from those Midwife/nursing programs...so it sounds like a useless endeavor....

what college did Michelle go to? i tried to google it but couldn’t find it

I think the duggars are very aware of their "image" and would never come out and say the girls have to stay home

Back to the baby, I hope she is doing well as i havent heard any updates

What online school are you talking about? I would imagine that so long as their SAT's are good, they can go to nursing school. The article happygirl posted states that several of them want to get nursing degrees.

As far as pushing college, I know many graduates who aren't working in anything related to their degree yet now they have 4 years of student loans to pay off. In our house, my DH and I won't push our kids to go to college if they don't want to. So long as they have some kind of goal then we're ok with that. They not going to lounge around our house and do nothing. I realize the Duggars have a more traditional view of marriage (husband works, wife stays home with the kids) but it works for them. Who knows, maybe their girls will turn out differently. Or maybe they'll marry and have kids of their own. What is wrong with that? I get the impression that all of the Duggar children are happy and well cared for. They seem to genuinely love their parents and their homelife. Considering that out in the world there are many unhappy families, divorced or single parents trying to hold things together, I'd say the Duggars are doing a great job raising their kids.

ETA: Regarding the girls wearing dresses, I really think Michelle is trying to instill in them a modesty that has pretty much disappeared in this society. Look at a lot girls ages 13 and up and some of what they wear is very inappropriate IMO. I'm surprised that they're allowed to leave the house that way. I'm not advocating skirts and dresses for all girls (my own wear pants in case you were wondering) but it's sort of nice to see a family that cares about their appearance in that they try to keep it modest. I know that as a teenager, I was totally oblivious to what others thought of what I was wearing and my mom let me wear whatever I wanted. I didn't make the wisest clothing choices and I'm sure many a teenage boy appreciated my skin tight jeans, mini skirts and off the shoulder tops!

 

[lovin diz]

I agree with this, I had no. 4 at age 41 and unplanned was very different labors from the first.

I had an old uterus, It was ready to retire, The baby could not progress and I ended up with a swift C-section as the heart decelerated as I did.
Your Uterus can only withstand so much it ages too, it gets thin, wears out, and really is roullete at this point for Michelle and more healthy children...

My thoughts are that they are people that have a faith that says so many Duggar spirits are to be born. Personally, I think some of those spirits are meant for the children as grandchildren.

At her advancing age, and the organs, I would have said a prayer of thanks for the healthy children i was blessed with and had my tubes tied,....handing off the rest of the Duggar babies to come to the next generation.

Be blessed with what you have, to seek more is a bit odd. You should want to go through all the stages with the children you have, not have a child hanging from you chest most of your life.

I say this because as the oldest of 6 my mother had issues mentally after 6. The doctor advised to tie her tubes. My mom wanted to just keep having newborns and as they aged got handed off to me...and she would have another!

Being a Mom is more then having children. It is what you give back to those children. I never got the care as the younger kids did, I was too busy mothering them as she birthed them.

It is in more then God's hands, Michelle could be risking her own life, God is not giving her the baby's, her body is. Time to do some soul searching, and turn off the eggs.......

She is blessed and it is time to go into the next phase, the grandchildren.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with this...To me she is very selfish. She wants the enjoyment of having a baby, but being a mother is much more than having a baby.

The actions of a mother are selfless. I am there anytime dd needs me; we do things together, even if i am not feeling well..take care of her if she is not feeling well etc....Just like many here on the dis. i dont tell her to go to a friend because i am too busy for her right now...she doesnt have to "choose a time" to be with me...I am her mother...24/7.

 

[BibbidiBobbidiBOO]

Had it even been revealed that this baby was a girl before she was born last week? The shows are pretty current (not long between filming and showing) and I don't remember hearing this info. Just curious as they usually have an announcement about the sex of the child.

I do hope to hear some more info about how they are doing. I hope they both are ok!

 

[nutterbutter2010]

Just out of curosidy - whats the most kids one woman has ever had? Has Michelle broken the record yet??

I just looked it up - 69 children by a Russian woman. wow

The world record for having the most number of children officially recorded is 69 by the first of two wives of Feodor Vassilyev (1707-1782), a peasant from Shuya, 150 miles east of Moscow. In 27 confinements, she gave birth to 16 pairs of twins, seven sets of triplets and four sets of quadruplets. The children were born between 1725-1765.

 

[wendy46001]

What online school are you talking about? I would imagine that so long as their SAT's are good, they can go to nursing school. The article happygirl posted states that several of them want to get nursing degrees.

the IBLP by Bill Gothard is the one the Duggar say they use
I'm sure they could try and get into a Nursing school but if they use the online school they list they will not be able to practice.

I also was wondering how up to date their show is? it seemed like the granduggar episode was soon after her birth

I wonder how much TLC and JimBob will want to air?

 

[wendy46001]

Just out of curosidy - whats the most kids one woman has ever had? Has Michelle broken the record yet??

I just looked it up - 69 children by a Russian woman. wow

She's not even close

"The highest officially recorded number of children born to one mother is 69, to the first wife of Feodor Vassilyev** (1707-1782) of Shuya, Russia. Between 1725 and 1765, in a total of 27 confinements, she gave birth to 16 pairs of twins, seven sets of triplets, and four sets of quadruplets. 67 of them survived infancy."

 

[punkin]

Just out of curosidy - whats the most kids one woman has ever had? Has Michelle broken the record yet??

I just looked it up - 69 children by a Russian woman. wow

The world record for having the most number of children officially recorded is 69 by the first of two wives of Feodor Vassilyev (1707-1782), a peasant from Shuya, 150 miles east of Moscow. In 27 confinements, she gave birth to 16 pairs of twins, seven sets of triplets and four sets of quadruplets. The children were born between 1725-1765.

Notice that the world record's book doesn't even give the poor woman's name. That always kinda upset me.

 

[luvmy3]

Just out of curosidy - whats the most kids one woman has ever had? Has Michelle broken the record yet??

I just looked it up - 69 children by a Russian woman. wow

The world record for having the most number of children officially recorded is 69 by the first of two wives of Feodor Vassilyev (1707-1782), a peasant from Shuya, 150 miles east of Moscow. In 27 confinements, she gave birth to 16 pairs of twins, seven sets of triplets and four sets of quadruplets. The children were born between 1725-1765.

Maybe Michelle's going for the record of most conceptions

ETA- what are the odds of someone having that many sets of multiples without any fertlity treatment? Thats just insane.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

the IBLP by Bill Gothard is the one the Duggar say they use
I'm sure they could try and get into a Nursing school but if they use the online school they list they will not be able to practice.

I also was wondering how up to date their show is? it seemed like the granduggar episode was soon after her birth

I wonder how much TLC and JimBob will want to air?

The birth shows are usually immediate specials that get aired soon after. I thought that was the way with Michelle's last 2 births and I do know that that is what happened with Josh and Anna's baby. (I believe it aired the following week if not the 2nd week after baby was born.)