Baby #19 for the Duggars born!

But she had been advised. I saw the discussion during one of their first specials. The doctor was explaining the complications of multiple c-sections. She just replied that if she became pregnant again it would be god's will.
 
Maybe, but the fact that she couldn't say *yes* to that question just disturbs me. Perhaps her answer now would be different but I wouldn't be surprised if we see them within in a year on a morning show announcing #20:rolleyes1

I don't know that any of us can honestly answer that question until we are faced with it. A friend of mine who is a nurse practitioner and whose husband is a Dr. delivered a translocated trisomy baby. They were advised due to genetic testing to not have another pregnancy. She knew the risks and and she knew the heartbreaking road she had been on, carrying a baby she knew with almost certainty wouldn't survive. Several years later after much prayer and their conviction that they would have healthy children they embarked on three more pregnancies. Each of their beautiful boys is a testament to their faith. I believe that God asked them to step out in faith and that they were obedient and were rewarded. They were well versed in their odds but they felt like they were called to not follow the medical advice. Not everything is as black and white as we would like to see it.
 
I don't know that any of us can honestly answer that question until we are faced with it. A friend of mine who is a nurse practitioner and whose husband is a Dr. delivered a translocated trisomy baby. They were advised due to genetic testing to not have another pregnancy. She knew the risks and and she knew the heartbreaking road she had been on, carrying a baby she knew with almost certainty wouldn't survive. Several years later after much prayer and their conviction that they would have healthy children they embarked on three more pregnancies. Each of their beautiful boys is a testament to their faith. I believe that God asked them to step out in faith and that they were obedient and were rewarded. They were well versed in their odds but they felt like they were called to not follow the medical advice. Not everything is as black and white as we would like to see it.

Maybe not for you or your friends, but for me and many others it is.
 
Maybe not for you or your friends, but for me and many others it is.


"For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,"
declares the LORD.

"As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Isaiah 55:8-9
 

I don't know that any of us can honestly answer that question until we are faced with it. A friend of mine who is a nurse practitioner and whose husband is a Dr. delivered a translocated trisomy baby. They were advised due to genetic testing to not have another pregnancy. She knew the risks and and she knew the heartbreaking road she had been on, carrying a baby she knew with almost certainty wouldn't survive. Several years later after much prayer and their conviction that they would have healthy children they embarked on three more pregnancies. Each of their beautiful boys is a testament to their faith. I believe that God asked them to step out in faith and that they were obedient and were rewarded. They were well versed in their odds but they felt like they were called to not follow the medical advice. Not everything is as black and white as we would like to see it.

My friend's sister almost had the same thing. She is pregnant with her second after the heartbreaking loss of her first, and I am so excited for her. The difference is that while these ladies were blessed after a horrific incident, Michelle seems to me to be tempting fate by continuing. She'd been blessed 18 times all ready! My friend is just starting her family, Michelle has an abundant family that she is jeopardizing by continuing to multiply her brood.
 
the online school they promote as using has a very limited curriculum and also unaccredited ...they will not be able to practice anywhere in the US if they get a degree from those Midwife/nursing programs...so it sounds like a useless endeavor....
That's surprising. I thought the Duggars were very financially savvy, and it surprises me that they'd "buy into" a school that wasn't accredited. Those credits won't transfer, and a graduate of that school won't be able to take the state tests for licensure.
Ok, so they focus on the sons developing skills in order to provide for their families, and some of the daughters may get a nursing degree, if by chance, they have to provide for the family other than raisining babies or running a household. I am not saying it's easy to run a household, but they should be able to go out and work and not rely exclusively to their husbands, which I think is what he is more or less saying. The sons get to choose a degree based on their interests and the daughters may get a nursing degree.
Well, I have only daughters, and I can't say that my thoughts are all that much different.

I INSIST that my daughters each earn a 4-year degree in a field that will allow them to work profitably, a degree that would allow them to support themselves and their future families if they want/need to do so. Once they have that degree, I don't care a bit whether they work or not. If they and their future husbands decide that they're better off at home, I would never chastise them for failing to use their degree. It's a safety net.

My oldest wants to become -- very much like the Duggars -- a nurse midwife. I have talked to her about choosing a job that's compatible with family life. I don't see that as holding her back; rather, I see it as helping her to make choices that'll help her lead the lifestyle she wants as an adult. I can't say that I really thought about how my job would impact my family when I was a teen/college student, but as soon as I met my husband and I knew we'd have children, I realized that my job wouldn't "mesh well" with a family -- so I went back to school for a teaching degree. I wish I'd done that in the first place. I wouldn't tell my daughters that they HAVE TO choose a traditional female job, but there are good reasons why certain jobs have traditionally belonged to women: they fit together with being a mother.
Wow, I didn't know their views included subservant women. How sad. :confused3

It's their hunger for fame that has them having more children...Not their desire to promote their views. This reminds me of the McCaughey family. They have strong, conservative views, but chose to stay out of the limelight. I'm sure they could have had their own show, but had the dignity to say no.
In all fairness, the McCaugheys had their large family a bit before reality shows became so popular. They DID lots of interviews and magazine articles (and continued to do a Christmas article for years). Now their kids are probably teenagers, so they're a bit too old. The public's taste seems to run towards the small kids -- John and Kate, for example. The McCaugheys accepted LOTS of public support of various types. If a reality show had been "on the table" for them, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd taken it.
I have never had a premature baby or been advised not to have any more children, but if I was there would be no doubt that I would follow that advice, for the sake of myself, my children and any unborn children.
I have to agree. I think my greatest responsibilities are to the children I already have (and to my husband, who -- if I died -- would be left raising those children alone). Hypothetical children who aren't yet conceived come lower on the totem pole than actual children who need me today.
 
In all fairness, the McCaugheys had their large family a bit before reality shows became so popular. They DID lots of interviews and magazine articles (and continued to do a Christmas article for years). Now their kids are probably teenagers, so they're a bit too old. The public's taste seems to run towards the small kids -- John and Kate, for example. The McCaugheys accepted LOTS of public support of various types. If a reality show had been "on the table" for them, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd taken it.

::yes:: I completely agree!
 
There was a really good article last week in the NY Daily News where they interviewed a doctor at a woman's medical research group and asked her about Michelle having all these children. I was really surprised--it was nothing but positive. The main research doctor said that Michelle probably would have less chance of having breast cancer, ovarian cancer and she went on to talk about how the uterus is a muscle and how quick it bounces back.
I think to be fair, it's important to also include the negative parts about the article, because the whole article was not positive.
Besides those positive parts, the article went on to say:
"Still, there are concerns and possible complications when it comes to multiple pregnancies, know as “grand multips.” Women are more prone to toxemia, preeclampsia, post-partum bleeding and hemorrhaging. Anemia is also a risk.

“There’s a continuous leeching of calcium and iron, the supplemental building blocks that babies need," Dr. Peter Wall of Eastside Maternal Fetal Medicine in Kirkland, Wash told MSNBC.

"After having many children, chronic anemia or osteopenia-weak bones could be a chronic risk. Also carrying children does increase the risk of incontinence, but even women who haven't had children have incontinence."

Michelle has been lucky so far, but she has several things that each, all alone, increase the risk of complications.
Some factors that increase the risk of preterm birth from the March of Dimes website:
- Short time period between pregnancies [One study found that an interval of less than 18 months between birth and the beginning of the next pregnancy increased the risk of preterm labor, though the greatest risk was with intervals shorter than 6 months (9). A woman should discuss with her provider the best pregnancy spacing for her.]
- Younger than age 17, or older than age 35
- High blood pressure

But she had been advised. I saw the discussion during one of their first specials. The doctor was explaining the complications of multiple c-sections. She just replied that if she became pregnant again it would be god's will.
I saw that too. The doctor covered the risk factors listed above and advised her to at least wait a little longer between pregnancies. She ended up finding a new doctor.
 
My oldest wants to become -- very much like the Duggars -- a nurse midwife. I have talked to her about choosing a job that's compatible with family life. I don't see that as holding her back; rather, I see it as helping her to make choices that'll help her lead the lifestyle she wants as an adult.

Has she the opportunity to run with a local ambulance company as a medic. She could end up with a huge amount of options and better hours and pay.
EMT, paramedic, even flight nurse.

My parents wanted me to go to "Beauty School" so Grease'ish. I did, had the children and reared them, worked from a shop in my home...but I really wanted to be in law enforcement, Cagney and Lacy, Agent 99, Angie Dickinson......
I did go to college, the police academy I graduated at 33 years old from the academy. I ended up as Penna. first female municipal police Chief, before I retired from injuries. I even carried my last baby under my gun belt just like the movie "FARGO".

Tell your daughter not to limit herself but grow in how many lives she can touch. She can still do mid wife work too....
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But she had been advised. I saw the discussion during one of their first specials. The doctor was explaining the complications of multiple c-sections. She just replied that if she became pregnant again it would be god's will.


I saw that too and they went and found a new doctor that would take her on as a patient.

I understand the family so much more after watching them on TV, but for as much as they say the kids have choices and Michelle can choose..I don't feel they really can...their choices are going to be limited to what they already are taught by their parents. I still remember the show where Jim Bob was talking about their early marriage and all the "baggage" Michelle brought into it that they had to work through.. I believe she was 17 or 18 when they got married..what kind of baggage could she have?

I like Michelle and the kids...Jim Bob gives me the creeps, not sure why but he does.
 
Jim Bob gives me the creeps, not sure why but he does.

because he is a crazy, crazy control freak.

I came to this conclusion this after watching the episode where they go to Kleinfelder's, and he had more to say about the dress style than she did. His way or the highway.
 
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Originally Posted by DMRick
There was a really good article last week in the NY Daily News where they interviewed a doctor at a woman's medical research group and asked her about Michelle having all these children. I was really surprised--it was nothing but positive. The main research doctor said that Michelle probably would have less chance of having breast cancer, ovarian cancer and she went on to talk about how the uterus is a muscle and how quick it bounces back.
I think to be fair, it's important to also include the negative parts about the article, because the whole article was not positive. .

I'm confused..I don't think the above was the article I posted about (that I was quoted as posting). I did read that other article, but I posted an interview.
 
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Originally Posted by DMRick \about how the uterus is a muscle and how quick it bounces back.[/I]

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Well i don't know that i trust everything this particular doctor said...
Uterus's are like pantyhose, once you use them, when the bulk comes out they never go back to that pre-used shape. ;

I have the pot to show what happens to a 40+ year old uterus after birth, not only the size, it would not giddy up and go, to giddy up and git it out. The contractions were huge, but nothing behind them anymore for me. No.4 was a C-section......

Also one Vbac is chancy enough, lots of high risk things to watch for a rupture. A rupture would likely take the life not only of the baby but Mom. The uterus of Michelle already had previous c-sections.....that is terrifying to put all these variables together.

Age, wear and tear, previous incisions, multiple pregnancies...
It just spells poor decisions by someone!
Pretty soon Jim Bob is going to be about his manhood to have these kids.....when Michelle is out of the baby business, what is it going to mean to their marriage.
I always felt they were a somewhat below the groups that took multiple wives to spread their seed.

:hippie:
 
I INSIST that my daughters each earn a 4-year degree in a field that will allow them to work profitably, a degree that would allow them to support themselves and their future families if they want/need to do so. Once they have that degree, I don't care a bit whether they work or not. If they and their future husbands decide that they're better off at home, I would never chastise them for failing to use their degree. It's a safety net.

My oldest wants to become -- very much like the Duggars -- a nurse midwife. I have talked to her about choosing a job that's compatible with family life. I don't see that as holding her back; rather, I see it as helping her to make choices that'll help her lead the lifestyle she wants as an adult. I can't say that I really thought about how my job would impact my family when I was a teen/college student, but as soon as I met my husband and I knew we'd have children, I realized that my job wouldn't "mesh well" with a family -- so I went back to school for a teaching degree. I wish I'd done that in the first place. I wouldn't tell my daughters that they HAVE TO choose a traditional female job, but there are good reasons why certain jobs have traditionally belonged to women: they fit together with being a mother.

I think family dynamics have changed a lot and nowadays it is widely accepted that the father will not only help financially.

My parents always encouraged me to follow my dreams and also insisted on me getting a university degree, which I have always wanted to. I totally agree it is a safety net, should you want to be married and just enjoy the family life. However, even though I am still a university student, I think I couldn't become a stay at home mom for many years (I never say never, but that is how I feel). I have an inner need to exersice the knowledge I will have acquired, even if that would mean a part-time job. Also, I'm sorry to say this, but I've heard many stories of women been abandoned and left pennyless after years of caring for their children and no longer having adequate qualifications to look for a job.

It is great that she wants to be a nurse midwife and that you encourage your daughters to get degrees. May I ask, would you oppose her being a doctor? Doctors have hectic schedules and some might say and that may not mesh well with family life. So do lawyers, journalists, advertisers and so many other professions! That doesn't prevent anyone from having a family.

All I want to say is- pretty much every job that does not have the typical 9-5 schedule has some sort of crazy schedule. But I know many families make it work and those are some positive examples of how it can, indeed, be done.


I thought I had said this in a previous post but apparently I didn't- many many positive thoughts to baby Josie, I wish the little baby great health and a short stay in the NICU.:hug:
 
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,"
declares the LORD.

"As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Isaiah 55:8-9

People do alot of things in the name of their religion, it doesn't make it right. If there is proven scientific evidence of a risk, that doesn't disappear because you believe in God and His ways.
 
My heart goes out to this baby and her family.
 
People do alot of things in the name of their religion, it doesn't make it right. If there is proven scientific evidence of a risk, that doesn't disappear because you believe in God and His ways.

Exactly and i do think the Duggars do things (like track her ovulation cycle) to help "God" along in the baby department...
 
Exactly and i do think the Duggars do things (like track her ovulation cycle) to help "God" along in the baby department...

I don't think that God intended women to try and have as many babies as they could; it's not a race.
 
[/Quote] about how the uterus is a muscle and how quick it bounces back.[/I]


A uterus is not a clown car.popcorn::
 
I don't think that God intended women to try and have as many babies as they could; it's not a race.

Problem is she thinks she's building an army
(Where is the shivering with a creepy feeling smilie????)
 












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